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Offline Windsor

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Ad-Aware is a poorly written anti-spyware program???
« on: April 18, 2006, 12:25:14 PM »
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Ad-Aware is a poorly written anti-spyware program from Lavasoft. Running
it gives you a false sense of safeness. There can be done numerous attacks
against this software. I'll show some of the problems and attacks in this
write-up. Here's just a summary of the most visible problems I've run into.

1. Definition file
1.1. "Encrypted" with xor \
1.2. Packed with ZIP with simple password - trivial to intercept def
updates and change the defs
to make the malware invisible
1.3. No checksum in the def file /
1.4. Big redundancy in the def file
1.5. !!! Multiplying the number of entries in the def file with constant
1.46 to make it look it has more definitions !!!

2. Program
2.1. Poorly written checksum algo
2.2. Poorly written scanning algo (slow as hell)
2.3. CSI works only for in-memory images and is useless

You want the proofs? Read the following text ...



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Re: Ad-Aware is a poorly written anti-spyware program???
« Reply #1 on: April 18, 2006, 02:01:39 PM »
Sounds like someone with an axe to grind against Lavasoft.  As anyone who is involved in the battle to help users regain control of their machines, there is no one program that can do it all, which is why we have people like Merijn, Atribune, Noahdfear, Swandog, RubbeRDuckY, Toadbee, S!Ri and a host of others who develop specialized programs for our use.  There is no perfect software program.  We've all become more and more aware of the vulnerabilities. 

Thus, the best defense is a good offense.  Read "So how did I get infected in the first place?" © Tony Klein.  Visit Mitch's Phantom Phixer

Install and update both SpywareBlaster & SpyGuard to prevent the installation of spyware and other potentially unwanted software:

SpywareBlaster --  http://www.javacoolsoftware.com/spywareblaster.html
SpywareGuard --  http://www.javacoolsoftware.com/spywareguard.html

If you use Internet Explorer, IE-Spyad will add thousands of sites into your IE restricted zone:  https://netfiles.uiuc.edu/ehowes/www/resource.htm  .

Another useful program is a favorite of Winchester73, StartupMonitor, which will warn you when somethings tries to sneak in:  http://www.mlin.net/StartupMonitor.shtml 

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Re: Ad-Aware is a poorly written anti-spyware program???
« Reply #2 on: April 18, 2006, 03:11:38 PM »
Is this the same Roy Batty who lead the renegade Nexus 6 Replicants in Blade Runner?

Seriously, though, who is this author, and do they have any credentials?
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Re: Ad-Aware is a poorly written anti-spyware program???
« Reply #3 on: April 18, 2006, 03:53:44 PM »
Good question, Winchester, particularly when management at that site posts:

Ok, I am not sure why you stole my ICON, but you need to change it or your account will be deleted.

-management

AKA the real Fuzen


http://www.rootkit.com/board.php?thread=6385&did=edge471&disp=6385&closed=1

Was the poster hoping to achieve some type of "validity" by using a staff member's avatar? 

I certainly am not about to speculate on the content of the person's claims but leave that to the developers.  There are too many people needing help to waste time spinning wheels. 
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Re: Ad-Aware is a poorly written anti-spyware program???
« Reply #4 on: April 18, 2006, 05:38:35 PM »
 :blink: corrine, i'm confused again.
on the SPYAD site it says: "My recommendation is to use but ONE program to add sites to your Restricted sites zone. Using multiple programs to add sites to your Restricted sites zone leads only to overlap, conflicts, and confusion without necessarily increasing your level of protection."
* QUESTION: Does this current set-up protect me, or would addtional apps help?
i'm using - SPYBOT (TEA-TIMER is ON), SPYWARE BLASTER, ADAWARE, SYMANTEC FIREWALL, SYM/NORTON AV & roger karlsson's BAZOOKA. (i use HIJACKthis, too, but not regularly like the others.)
* am i right that any other REAL-TIME protection could conflict with TTimer? that any other app to add sites to RESTRICTED ZONE might cause conflicts, etc?
 * i was under the impression i had good protection with this setup, and adding to it might cause conflict issues.
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Re: Ad-Aware is a poorly written anti-spyware program???
« Reply #5 on: April 18, 2006, 05:39:40 PM »
think it is just another site of someone that is saying "look at me i am the greatest and know all"

btw remember i use linux...well each time i would load just one page and it would hang up and require a redial to get online again ???????
so not saying it is so but my system sure didn't like that site !!!
linux with ff 1.5.0.2

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Re: Ad-Aware is a poorly written anti-spyware program???
« Reply #6 on: April 18, 2006, 08:59:02 PM »
Don't shoot the messenger  :Win73:  :lol: I've been using Ad-Aware for over 3 years now and wouldn't consider having a computer without it onboard. I figured I should bring that article to the staff's attention here, since you are the experts on the program.

Corrine, thanks for the links. :) I'm familiar with all of them except StartupMonitor. Looks like I have a new toy to play with.  :D


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Re: Ad-Aware is a poorly written anti-spyware program???
« Reply #7 on: April 18, 2006, 09:41:31 PM »
  :smash: SLOW DOWN, EVERYBODY. i can't follow
1) am i well-protected with this software:
SPYBOT (TEA-TIMER is ON), SPYWARE BLASTER, ADAWARE, SYMANTEC FIREWALL, SYM/NORTON AV & roger karlsson's BAZOOKA. (i use HIJACKthis, too, but not regularly) ?
2) corrine mentioned other apps -- spyware guard, StartUpMonitor, etc.
2a) am i MORE protected, if i use any of those ON TOP of what i'm already using?
and
2b is it SAFE for me to use those other apps? (refer to my earlier post, where that guy wrote about this possibily causing "overlap, conflicts, and confusion."

...ps: over the years, i've used various security apps, and the ones i'm using now are my favorites. i think adaware is GREAT...


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Re: Ad-Aware is a poorly written anti-spyware program???
« Reply #8 on: April 18, 2006, 10:05:22 PM »
real time programs can conflict
but like aaw free is NOT realtime but aaw + is you would be safe with the free

so you won't get into trouble unless you are using real time programs


now ie-spyad and spyblaster can "conflict" one will say one is a good site and the other will say it is bad so things can be removed from one list by another !

you can load your system up with so many programs to protect you , that the whole day is spent on updates !

if you use a SAFE browser and keep it current, control scripts and active X , watch your e-mail, have a few good programs you are safe ! that is on top of a  GOOD firewall and anti-virus!

i drive my car with a seat belt on and cautious driving. but if i wanted to be safer
i could get a 5 point harness, roll cage/bullet proof glass/brain bucket and be safer but is it worth all that?

the more programs you install the higher chance for a hidden conflict, and that much more to learn how to interpet what it is saying !
so if you want to be safer use firefox and "no scripts"
scumb writers want to hit as many systems so they write for IE/OE and windows systems
so i use linux/firefox/thunderbird and am safer..but the buzzword is safer !

if you want a safe computer
1. get offline,remove all ways that data can be entered to your computer ( drives,keyboard,mouse)
but how much can you enjoy your system like that?

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Re: Ad-Aware is a poorly written anti-spyware program???
« Reply #9 on: April 18, 2006, 11:56:19 PM »
Don't shoot the messenger  :Win73: 


Quite similar to what you posted at your own site ...  :D

There are several discussions about this at other security forums.  I don't think you'll find much interest here in what the author claims is or isn't ...  8)

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I figured I should bring that article to the staff's attention here, since you are the experts on the program.

Thanks for the kind words, but a lot of us don't consider ourselves experts on Ad-Aware.  It is one tool, of many to use ... as Corrine mentioned earlier, the infection guides the removal process.
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Re: Ad-Aware is a poorly written anti-spyware program???
« Reply #10 on: April 19, 2006, 03:01:01 PM »
Perhaps now though, you can ask them at their all own super-duper support forums;

http://www.lavasoftsupport.com
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Re: Ad-Aware is a poorly written anti-spyware program???
« Reply #11 on: April 19, 2006, 03:54:42 PM »
wow....after over a year of "doing upgrades" to the forum they are back?
sorry but i think it will be a very long time ( hell freezes over) before i ever went there !
they would have to show me that new management and several of the "official aaw people" are not going any where near it for me to visit ;-)

or at least some way to admit that it was cold and not right the way they dropped all the people that made the ORIGINAL forum work

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Re: Ad-Aware is a poorly written anti-spyware program???
« Reply #12 on: April 19, 2006, 04:18:59 PM »
Steve was not with Lavasoft "in the old days" so whatever happened in the past really has nothing to do with what Steve is attempting to do now.  The forum should help the Plus & Pro license holders who have complained about the poor email support.  Note that forum support is provided by LS employees not volunteers. 
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Re: Ad-Aware is a poorly written anti-spyware program???
« Reply #13 on: April 19, 2006, 04:40:24 PM »
i have updated my hompage to reflect their "new" forum!


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Re: Ad-Aware is a poorly written anti-spyware program???
« Reply #14 on: April 20, 2006, 12:04:21 AM »
:hug: 

Check the member list -- a lot of old friends have signed up.  I think because AAW is one of the "oldies" there is a draw, rather like a magnet to the North Pole.  The point, however, is that any help provided there is not about Lavasoft or Lavasoft Management.  All help is for the users -- whether they come here, post at Freedomlist or elsewhere, it is our helping them to the best of our ability.  (Now I've got to go fix my smitRem instrutions at FL.  I was updating the instructions to S!Ri's tool yesterday and managed to close the tab -- all my work gone.)

 
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