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Email clients
« on: May 09, 2016, 05:38:50 PM »
I open this thread in order to get some info about email clients. Which client do you use? Are there some features that make the one better than the other? Actually, I used only Windows Live Mail, but recently I decided to use Thunderbird. What do you think, generally about email clients?  :)
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Re: Email clients
« Reply #1 on: May 09, 2016, 06:23:38 PM »
Although I have Outlook, I still prefer using Outlook.com.  Part of the reason is "because that is what I've always used" -- but that was merely because we used Lotus Notes at work and email clients were not allowed.  Thus, to check email before work, during lunch, etc., I had to use the browser.  However, the real reason is that I don't need an email client because Outlook.com has everything I need so why open another app when all I need to do is click on the tab for my email?  It is included in the tabs that open when the browser is launched.


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Re: Email clients
« Reply #2 on: May 09, 2016, 07:32:59 PM »
Quote from: Corrine
Although I have Outlook, I still prefer using Outlook.com.  Part of the reason is "because that is what I've always used"
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Although I have Outlook.com, I still prefer to use Outlook. Part of the reason is "because that is what I've always used".

I started with Outlook 97 (which came with Office 97) nearly 20 years ago and have migrated my way through to Outlook 2007. I've stuck with Outlook 2007 through several computers with XP, Windows 7, Windows 8 and now Windows 10. If Outlook 2007 didn't work with W10, I would probably be using Outlook 2010 or 2013. But since W10 supports 2007 I stuck with it. Outlook was what we used at work too so having it at home was a no-brainer for me.

I think what is best depends on how you use your email - and just plain ol' personal preferences. I have 8 email accounts I use regularly and many rules to funnel the incoming emails to specific folders. That said, I first process all my incoming mail through the MailWasher Pro spam blocker so the only emails that fully touch my computer are those I already know are "keepers". If I only had one email account, I probably would just use Gmail or something similar.

I note there has been some controversy in recent years as to whether Thunderbird development will continue. Other reports say it is continuing but that might be something to consider before taking the time to learn a new client.

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Re: Email clients
« Reply #3 on: May 09, 2016, 08:14:03 PM »
Thunderbird

I used "Outlook Express" for years (it came with the earlier versions of Windows). Then, when I got a new computer, Windows 8 wouldn't run OE. Since I was already using the Firefox browser, Thunderbird was the first replacement I tried.

If you only use one or two email providers, it could be argued that you don't need an email client.... BUT ... I never get involved in those topics complaining about the interface changes, or all the advertising on (for instance) the yahoo mail pages. I never see the changes, nor the ads, so they don't bother me.

The method that Corrine, mentioned above, make sense (you can do the same thing with Gmail and others)... BUT... In the unlikely event that the Outlook servers go down, you not only lose your outlook/live/hotmail accounts, you'll have to go back to visiting individual web-mail sites for your other accounts.

Right now, I have 10 email accounts that I use for different purposes. Thunderbird checks two of them every 10 minutes, another two hourly, and the rest get checked only when I open Thunderbird (or on demand). I'd rather have an email client running in the background, that be visiting all those web-mail sites.

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Re: Email clients
« Reply #4 on: May 09, 2016, 10:59:59 PM »
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I'd rather have an email client running in the background, that be visiting all those web-mail sites.
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Re: Email clients
« Reply #5 on: May 09, 2016, 11:02:45 PM »
None.   I used Pocomail many years ago.

I have 10 email addresses. I used to have 11 but MyWay removed my account. It was no great loss.
I usually check 6 daily. Since my husband and I each look at a few of these accounts, having emails downloaded to a computer would be a real pain. I'd end up doing cleanup on both the computers and the email server!
Also the email stays on the server until it is deleted, even if the computer dies. I don't have to worry about trying to bacup, compress and archive the emails.

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Re: Email clients
« Reply #6 on: May 10, 2016, 12:41:05 AM »
Other email accounts can be imported to Outlook.com, providing one place to look instead of going to multiple websites or having a client working in the background.  :) 

Outlook.com makes it even easier to switch from Gmail - Office Blogs
Outlook.com customers can now import their email from Yahoo Mail - Office Blogs

As indicated at the bottom of the article about Yahoo, you can also import from other popular IMAP-enabled email providers.  Go to Options, click Import email accounts, then select Other email provider.


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Re: Email clients
« Reply #7 on: May 12, 2016, 04:32:23 PM »
Thank you for the information. A question: is there a way or an email client, in which I can delete or send email from one device (e.g. ipod), without a change in an other device?
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Re: Email clients
« Reply #8 on: May 12, 2016, 08:48:29 PM »
That depends on how you set things up...

E-mail clients and browsers, will see what you leave on the providers server.
If you delete mail received (manually or via "server settings"), only the first device to access a specific message will get it.

If you leave it on the server, all your devices can get it.
Note: POP and IMAP are a bit different.

Some email clients allow you to "synchronize" your devices, but I've never done that, so someone else should explain.

You said you have Thunderbird...

In Thunderbird:
Click on "Tools", scroll down and click on "Account Settings"
On one of your email accounts select "Server Settings"

Look at the various check boxes to understand your options.
If you have both a POP account, and an IMAP account, look at both to note the differences.

Again: someone else should explain synchronizing, but if I read your question correctly, that's not what you were looking for.

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Re: Email clients
« Reply #9 on: May 13, 2016, 02:05:47 PM »

Some email clients allow you to "synchronize" your devices, but I've never done that, so someone else should explain.



That's the problem. The synchronization. I want everything in the computer, but not in other devices. I want to delete a message in a device but I don't want the message to be deleted in the computer. My Windows Live Email account, was POP3 and I had not such a problem. Perhaps I should make a POP3 account in Thunderbird too. But I read somewhere that IMAP is better.
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Re: Email clients
« Reply #10 on: May 13, 2016, 02:37:12 PM »
I ended up getting confuse (admittedly, not hard) and too often deleting emails I want to keep, or just losing where they were, or getting frustrated or even more confused when they appeared again after I knew I already deleted them. So I just trained myself to never delete emails from any device EXCEPT my primary PC.

So if I was checking my personal mail with my smart phone or work computer, as examples, I never deleted them. I waited until I got home, then I would delete them, or move them to another folder for safe keeping/archiving. That method works great for me. But everyone is different so everyone needs to find what works for them.
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Re: Email clients
« Reply #11 on: May 13, 2016, 05:24:17 PM »
That's the problem. The synchronization. I want everything in the computer, but not in other devices. I want to delete a message in a device but I don't want the message to be deleted in the computer. My Windows Live Email account, was POP3 and I had not such a problem. Perhaps I should make a POP3 account in Thunderbird too. But I read somewhere that IMAP is better.
I've also read that IMAP is better, but personally I find POP a lot more convenient.
Minor problem... Some email providers may not offer POP (or discourage it).

For what you want to do, POP may actually be better.
It downloads the messages to your computer, and unless you check the "Leave messages on server" box, it deletes the copy on the server.

Downside, if you lose the copy on your computer, it's gone forever (for our purposes).

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Re: Email clients
« Reply #12 on: May 13, 2016, 05:28:09 PM »
IMAP is "better" in the sense that you can check your emails from multiple devices (work laptop, home computer, tablet, smartphone, or some other mobile device) and have the ability to synch your account from any device.  In other words, what shows on one device will show on every other device. 

POP3 is "better" if you don't want to do that, in other words you want one single computer in control of downloading email from a server, and then deleting it from that server. You can set up the other devices to retrieve messages and NOT download/delete, but each attempt will only be a 'snapshot' of what is currently in the server.  If you delete a message on one of those other devices, it is still on the server and will be downloaded to the 'controlling' computer then next time you send/receive ... so you'll have to delete the message yet again.
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Re: Email clients
« Reply #13 on: May 13, 2016, 06:04:09 PM »
Well, that depends on your email provider.

For example I have several gmail accounts and Cox (my ISP) accounts. I have them all setup as POP3. But because Google and my provider allow me to access any of those accounts via my browser, I can check my gmail or Cox accounts from my smart phone, tablet, neighbor's computer, or whatever - as long as I don't delete it.

That said, even with POP3, gmail has several setting options. By default, when you pull down mail using your computer based client with POP3, the message is deleted from the Gmail inbox. But you have the option to set it to "archive Gmail's copy", "Mark Gmail's copy as read" or "Keep Gmail's copy in the inbox". The last two allow you to download them to any device as many times as you want - until you manually delete them. I cannot do this with my Cox accounts. Once I pull them down into my client, they are gone from Cox's servers (at least as far as my ability to access them).

This is actually another area where MailWasher shines. I can check the emails from all my accounts in one "inbox" without actually pulling any email down. So none get deleted until I want them deleted. I get about 50 forum notifications every day from many different sites. I can "work" those emails without ever pulling them down to my computer - then delete them with MailWasher from the servers when I am ready. Then, I can call up my client (Outlook 2007) and pull down only the "keepers" I have not deleted with MailWasher.

So as far as "better", it really just depends on what you want to do. I don't believe one is faster than the other. Nor is one more secure over the other.

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Re: Email clients
« Reply #14 on: May 16, 2016, 03:11:00 PM »
Thank you all for the replies.

Now I understand that if I want to have different emails in my computer and my mobile devices I must have one IMAP (for the devices) and one POP3 account (for the computer). And so I did. I must be careful to make a backup from time to time of my POP3 emails, so not to lose them for ever, in the case of something not expected.
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