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bp's oil disaster
« on: May 26, 2010, 05:16:05 PM »
greets.

anyone following the oil tragedy in the gulf of mexico?

per 60 minutes, seems innumerable things were known to be wrong before the disaster.
our pres wrings his hands at a billionare-oil-tycoon's house, a political fund raiser, 'o my, how do we solve this?'  as if we are to feel sorry for him...
while local leadership makes (know to work) suggestions that are blown off like lint from a table.

so our fisheries and wetlands perish, to die for generations to come, whilst the envirnmentalists sit on their hands and do nothing.
where is there activism now?

what a broke, sick, miserable situation.

anyone?
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Re: bp's oil disaster
« Reply #1 on: May 27, 2010, 03:21:13 PM »
It isn't only a U.S. environmental nightmare.  Does anyone really think the oil will stay in the Gulf?  This disaster will likely result in a serious ecological affect globally for decades.
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Re: bp's oil disaster
« Reply #2 on: May 27, 2010, 09:45:57 PM »
Probably but not necessarily, the type of oil and microbiological action in the warmer Gulf waters may speed up the removal of the oil but it is too early to say for sure. You may wish to check out this 2001 NOAA report of the Exxon Valdez disaster.
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Re: bp's oil disaster
« Reply #3 on: May 28, 2010, 05:09:42 AM »
Live feed if you want to watch:  http://www.bp.com/liveassets/bp_internet/globalbp/globalbp_uk_english/homepage/STAGING/local_assets/bp_homepage/html/rov_stream.html

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Does anyone really think the oil will stay in the Gulf?
While ocean currents might carry this beyond its current impact area, that doesn't matter in terms of *if* this will go beyond its current impact area.  Wait for the first hurricane - it won't all be in the Gulf anymore at that point - imagine if everyone in the hurricane zone started running yard sprinklers that pumped water contaminated with oil, covering every square inch of land, in the area of, oh, Alabama, Mississippi, Texas, Louisiana and Florida...

Unfortunately, because we're the public (to quote Agent Kay from the movie Men In Black, "A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals..."), we only focus on RIGHT NOW rather than looking beyond the horizon at what's yet to come.

Today we, the public, worry about the Gulf surface and that oil making its way into wetlands and onto sea animals and other coastal wildlife, how to clean that up, the impact to fisheries and tourism, placing blame on BP, on Transocean, on the President regardless of facts or who'se really at fault, shouting "Why is this taking so long?  Why didn't we have a plan?  Why blah blah blah" over and over without understanding all the complications of what's going on and just how 'bleeding edge' these attempts to plug the holes are... (if there's anyone that wants this plugged, it's BP - every second means more damage to their brand --- are you going to a BP station any time soon?  More importantly, do you really think not going will have some sort of impact?).

And tomorrow, we'll be discussing how to deal with cleaning hurricane-delivered oil off our houses, off our lawns, schools and shopping centers, farmland (you know, fields of livestock, corn and other food), forests, rivers... Long-term health effects?  Environmental impact?  Economic impact in that area?  Beyond that area?

And it's not done leaking.  They might close it, they might open it wider while trying to close it.  Can you imagine their current attempt backfiring and opening an even wider hole?

We have not seen the full impact yet, and we are not going to for YEARS, and yeah, decades for recovery.

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Re: bp's oil disaster
« Reply #4 on: May 28, 2010, 11:54:40 PM »
I heard on the news yesterday that the NOAA prediction is for this year's hurricane season to be more active than normal due to the 3+ degree increase in ocean temperatures.  The Gulf had been -3 due to the colder than usual winter but has lost that edge and is also 3+ now.  Found this article on the prediction.  NOAA says Atlantic Hurricane Season could be "extremely active", which reads in part:
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NOAA projects a 70% probability for the following ranges:

    * 14-23 named storms (top winds of 39 mph or higher)
    * 8-14 hurricanes (top winds of 74 mph or higher, included in the named storms count)
    * 3-7 possibly major hurricanes (Category 3, 4, or 5 with winds of at least 111 mph)

NOAA said the outlook puts the nation on track for what may be one of the most active hurricane seasons on record. With more likelihood of storms comes a greater risk of landfall.



A real confidence booster:  BP’s Twitter account hacked by pranksters | Graham Cluley's blog
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Re: bp's oil disaster
« Reply #5 on: May 31, 2010, 09:14:45 PM »
Well it is not looking good as the news over here is that it is likely to be August at least before it is sealed off :blink: :muahaha:

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Re: bp's oil disaster
« Reply #6 on: June 01, 2010, 05:44:30 PM »
I think of all of the issues daily. My beautiful birth state and home state of my entire family, Louisiana, is being destroyed yet again. The oh so valuable wetlands can never be replaced. The scope of the damage is just not thinkable to many people, just like the scope of damage that was caused by hurricanes Rita and Katrina. It took many pictures and videos before people really started to get a grip on just how devastated the state was.
Since I now live in Houston the threat of the upcoming hurricane season is a big topic here and on everyones mind.  Now not only do we have to be concerned with the "normal" damages that come with hurricanes we also have to consider the extra damages that will come with the oil.
This all hits very close to home, most of my family in Louisiana work in the oil industry or in the fishing industry, both of which are pretty much in ruins.
It is an extremely sad situation.
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« Reply #7 on: June 03, 2010, 10:22:16 PM »
as with much, it is indeed the environmentalists fault.

in california, the wildfires are encouraged by the view that cutting bush out of the forest somehow decimates entire species.
likewise, drilling way way out in water so deep it freezes (see the first failed capture attempt)
so hostile that that depth exceeds experimental, instead of drilling near shore or on shore where with existing and  proven techniques,
this sort of thing could never have happened.

well, at least the president can now say (as he did during his campaign)
see, this is why i do not support oil drilling...

o! i no, let's go with electric cars!
:lol:  now that's funny!
anyone familiar with the inefficiencies of converting heat to electricity and electricity to chemical energy (batteries) knows that's a bad joke.

hydrogen anyone? (i jest.)
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« Reply #8 on: June 03, 2010, 10:44:10 PM »
Well we don't usually get tornados in Australia...but things a starting to get more crazy for us.

This was about 400km/240miles to the south of me.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/06/03/2917141.htm


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Re: bp's oil disaster
« Reply #9 on: June 04, 2010, 12:43:25 AM »
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see, this is why i do not support oil drilling...

o! i no, let's go with electric cars!
Seems to me there are just a few other products from oil than fuel. Finding this information was easier than making my own list. 
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This is a list of some of the products made from oil. Nearly everything in our lives is made from oil, made by machinery and systems dependent on oil, and transported by oil as either gas or diesel fuel.

Ammonia, Anesthetics, Antihistamines, Artificial limbs, Artificial Turf, Antiseptics, Aspirin, Auto Parts, Awnings, Balloons, Ballpoint pens, Bandages, Beach Umbrellas, Boats, Cameras, Candles, Car Battery Cases, Carpets, Caulking, Combs, Cortisones, Cosmetics, Crayons, Credit Cards, Curtains, Deodorants, Detergents, Dice, Disposable Diapers, Dolls, Dyes, Eye Glasses, Electrical Wiring Insulation, Faucet Washers, Fishing Rods, Fishing Line, Fishing Lures, Food Preservatives, Food Packaging, Garden Hose, Glue, Hair Coloring, Hair Curlers, Hand Lotion, Hearing Aids, Heart Valves, Ink, Insect Repellant, Insecticides, Linoleum, Lip Stick, Milk Jugs, Nail Polish, Oil Filters, Panty Hose, Perfume, Petroleum Jelly, Rubber Cement, Rubbing Alcohol,  Shampoo, Shaving Cream, Shoes, Toothpaste, Trash Bags, Upholstery, Vitamin Capsules, Water Pipes, Yarn
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Re: bp's oil disaster
« Reply #10 on: June 04, 2010, 05:58:17 PM »
nuclear may provide us with power, but
oil will be with us until the end of the earth.  the city of brass.


(brass, non-sparking tools.  city, the refineries, wells, et al.)
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Re: bp's oil disaster
« Reply #11 on: June 04, 2010, 09:15:53 PM »
Heard today BP have been given a £47million fine, should be more IMO!
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« Reply #12 on: June 04, 2010, 09:20:21 PM »
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It will cost more than that to clean up the mess. :muahaha:

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« Reply #13 on: June 04, 2010, 09:36:35 PM »
The pictures in the news of the pelicans mired in the oil sludge are gruesome.
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« Reply #14 on: June 06, 2010, 10:37:36 PM »
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as with much, it is indeed the environmentalists fault.
It's *all* of us.  EVERYTHING we do revolves around oil.  Oil put the seed in the ground, oil allows us to harvest it, transport it, refine it, package and sell it.  We're consuming so much there's no way to go back to animal-powered farm tools.  And then oil gets us to the store to buy it - it powered your car, lubricated it, and even went into the tires.  Oil made the plastic your kid's toys came in, and the plastic bag you put it in to take it home and carry it inside.  Oil lets us turn our lights on, if not because it powers your electric service, it allowed you to go to the store and buy the lights in the first place.

Our world is what it is because of oil.  Oil is products.  Oil is ENERGY.  We need it in order to keep our world as it is.  We need it.

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likewise, drilling way way out in water so deep it freezes (see the first failed capture attempt)
so hostile that that depth exceeds experimental, instead of drilling near shore or on shore where with existing and  proven techniques,
this sort of thing could never have happened.

Supply and demand.  BP and all the other oil companies go and get it.  And not only do we want this oil, we want it *cheap*.  There was oil under the ground so we went and got that.  There's still oil underground but it's not so easy to get, so now we go get it from underwater, from sand... and it all comes with risk.  Everything has risk.  And everything at one stage or another was experimental.  Oil didn't come with an instruction manual on how to turn it into gas, plastic, toothpaste... we tried things and hey look we made it into blah.  We can only try to minimize risk, and when things don't go as planned, have things in place to try and address that.  You don't plan on getting into an accident with your car, but you wear a seat belt (hopefully) and perhaps your car has airbags, and you have crumple zones and blah blah blah.  Sometimes they don't work as one would hope.  And so, here we are, a leaky oil pipe.  Because we need oil, and they went where the oil is, where it's cheap to get it.  "Drill, baby, drill!"

And I'm right in there with everyone else, from when I buy my groceries to when I drive to work to when I fly around the United States solely to earn frequent flyer miles and increase my status in the airline's program.

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oil will be with us until the end of the earth.
I completely agree.  Eventually, at some point, oil is going to become so difficult to obtain that obtaining it makes no sense, and in the ground it'll stay.  Hopefully we find some alternative first, because if we don't, get ready for the world to flip over like we've never seen.  It'll make the housing bubble / stock market tank / increased unemployment rate / bank bailout nonsense look like a field trip.

We are a world based on oil.  And we can switch to electric cars, hydrogen fuel cells or whatever, but we are going to still need oil.

And now I submit this post, take my plastic-encased phone off the charger, go to gate A72 via the tram to take the jet aircraft back to Seattle, and then get in my gas-powered car to drive home where I'll set my alarm, brush my teeth and get some rest for tomorrow's work day...

... all thanks to oil.

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