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? Are FAKE "Spyware" Programs still operating ?
« on: June 28, 2007, 05:16:09 AM »
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Hallo Landzdown Forum
Just came to think of...
Is FAKE "Spyware" Programs, like ErrorSafe still legal operating?
I´ve heard that there is some "helpful" pup-up programs, who offer free scans -
and put files on the PC, so you have to buy their program to get rid of the hundreds of threads,
who was put by the programme itselves.

Are such programs still arround - fooling people?
And if - What action by the law have been made to stop them?

What are the names of those, who still do this durty buisness - if they still do it
Maybe it is aStupid quistion to ask :stupid:But I am curious.

Three years ago I send eCards from 123Greetings, and there was such a pup-up
from DriveCleaner ? (Do not remember the name) -
And I was foolish enough to accept a free scan - did not know then that it was unwise of me to accept it.
- Had not heard of those FAKE products.
And I had ofcause 1000.. threads (even though my computer was new) :blink:
It was another PC then this I have today.

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Re: ? Are FAKE "Spyware" Programs still operating ?
« Reply #1 on: June 28, 2007, 12:56:01 PM »
Usually they aren't doing more than just say "you have XX errors. Buy this program to fix them", but when you buy it, it does not more than say "The problems are fixed". There are not these errors the program is detecting. And it dosen't repair them.

Ever tried to get at Errorsafe pop-up? It finds 169 errors, but it can't scan your computer. It is just fooling the user to buy their program. It can't fix any errors.

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Re: ? Are FAKE "Spyware" Programs still operating ?
« Reply #2 on: June 28, 2007, 01:43:54 PM »
You might want to check out this list of rouge anti-spyware programs.

theres quite a list of them ... :)


Rouge anti-spy ware programs list
http://www.spywarewarrior.com/rogue_anti-spyware.htm


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Re: ? Are FAKE "Spyware" Programs still operating ?
« Reply #3 on: June 29, 2007, 03:04:30 AM »
Another "Fake" to be cautious about is codecs.  Example of how it can happen, with pictures> General installation of Fake Codecs, or ... how to get screwed the easy way

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Are such programs still arround - fooling people? And if - What action by the law have been made to stop them?

Have you heard of Malware Complaints?
Quote
This site was started by anti-malware fighters as a place where you, a victim, can register your feelings about the malware writers that have made your life a misery.
It is to provide you with ways that YOU can start to fight back at them, to hopefully start to make them suffer for what they have done to you, and the thousands of others who they have infected...

These are going to be online petitions to present to your government's Computer Experts and Ministers or Representatives.
In each country our anti-malware fighters have worked out the best way for you to complain.
http://www.malwarecomplaints.info/viewtopic.php?t=2

Alphabetical Index of Infections at Malware Complaints

NOTE: The links above are to my country of origin (US).  At Malware Complaints, be sure to navigate to your country forum for info in your native language, as well as the specific infection that these volunteers have taken time to list by geographical region. It's a way for us end-users to support the efforts of malware experts, and file YOUR OWN complaint, in this fight against crapware.

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Re: ? Are FAKE "Spyware" Programs still operating ?
« Reply #4 on: June 29, 2007, 04:25:30 AM »
Usually they aren't doing more than just say "you have XX errors. Buy this program to fix them", but when you buy it, it does not more than say "The problems are fixed". There are not these errors the program is detecting. And it dosen't repair them.

Ever tried to get at Errorsafe pop-up? It finds 169 errors, but it can't scan your computer. It is just fooling the user to buy their program. It can't fix any errors.

Hallo Test :)
It is a wonder that those firm is still around
- As they make more hard then good.
 :Win73:Yes I tried to have Errorsafe pop-up
And my harddisk was just brand new (So I could not manage to have so many errors yet)
And Ad-Aware say: No errors.

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Re: ? Are FAKE "Spyware" Programs still operating ?
« Reply #5 on: June 29, 2007, 04:30:17 AM »
You might want to check out this list of rouge anti-spyware programs.

theres quite a list of them ... :)


Rouge anti-spy ware programs list
http://www.spywarewarrior.com/rogue_anti-spyware.htm


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Hallo Numbnuts :)
Thank you very much for that useful list you did send link to :thumbsup:
I will study it close.
Amacing such firm are alloud to operate -

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Re: ? Are FAKE "Spyware" Programs still operating ?
« Reply #6 on: June 29, 2007, 04:38:55 AM »
Another "Fake" to be cautious about is codecs.  Example of how it can happen, with pictures> General installation of Fake Codecs, or ... how to get screwed the easy way

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Are such programs still arround - fooling people? And if - What action by the law have been made to stop them?

Have you heard of Malware Complaints?
Quote
This site was started by anti-malware fighters as a place where you, a victim, can register your feelings about the malware writers that have made your life a misery.
It is to provide you with ways that YOU can start to fight back at them, to hopefully start to make them suffer for what they have done to you, and the thousands of others who they have infected...

These are going to be online petitions to present to your government's Computer Experts and Ministers or Representatives.
In each country our anti-malware fighters have worked out the best way for you to complain.
http://www.malwarecomplaints.info/viewtopic.php?t=2

Alphabetical Index of Infections at Malware Complaints

NOTE: The links above are to my country of origin (US).  At Malware Complaints, be sure to navigate to your country forum for info in your native language, as well as the specific infection that these volunteers have taken time to list by geographical region. It's a way for us end-users to support the efforts of malware experts, and file YOUR OWN complaint, in this fight against crapware.


Hallo Ripley :)
Many Thanks for that link to Mailware Complains -
I did not know there was such a place.
Will study it close.
Have already seen that there is no Danish place ...
But a Swedish.
I can also try English or German - If I decite to complaim.
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But it is a wonder such firm excists

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Re: ? Are FAKE "Spyware" Programs still operating ?
« Reply #7 on: June 29, 2007, 11:31:00 AM »
Usually they aren't doing more than just say "you have XX errors. Buy this program to fix them", but when you buy it, it does not more than say "The problems are fixed". There are not these errors the program is detecting. And it dosen't repair them.

Ever tried to get at Errorsafe pop-up? It finds 169 errors, but it can't scan your computer. It is just fooling the user to buy their program. It can't fix any errors.

Hallo Test :)
It is a wonder that those firm is still around
- As they make more hard then good.
 :Win73:Yes I tried to have Errorsafe pop-up
And my harddisk was just brand new (So I could not manage to have so many errors yet)
And Ad-Aware say: No errors.


I don't know if you understand this, but: Hej Jørn, er du dansker?  :D

Yes it is amazing that software like that is legal in a country. It is only a pain in the ass, with all the advertisments and so on.

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Re: ? Are FAKE "Spyware" Programs still operating ?
« Reply #8 on: June 29, 2007, 12:58:16 PM »
Usually they aren't doing more than just say "you have XX errors. Buy this program to fix them", but when you buy it, it does not more than say "The problems are fixed". There are not these errors the program is detecting. And it dosen't repair them.

Ever tried to get at Errorsafe pop-up? It finds 169 errors, but it can't scan your computer. It is just fooling the user to buy their program. It can't fix any errors.

Hallo Test :)
It is a wonder that those firm is still around
- As they make more hard then good.
 :Win73:Yes I tried to have Errorsafe pop-up
And my harddisk was just brand new (So I could not manage to have so many errors yet)
And Ad-Aware say: No errors.


I don't know if you understand this, but: Hej Jørn, er du dansker?  :D

Yes it is amazing that software like that is legal in a country. It is only a pain in the ass, with all the advertisments and so on.

Yes I am Dansker ! :gwave:
I was born in Copenhagen, Danmark
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Are You Danish too, since you write in Danish language
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Re: ? Are FAKE "Spyware" Programs still operating ?
« Reply #9 on: June 29, 2007, 01:03:37 PM »
Usually they aren't doing more than just say "you have XX errors. Buy this program to fix them", but when you buy it, it does not more than say "The problems are fixed". There are not these errors the program is detecting. And it dosen't repair them.

Ever tried to get at Errorsafe pop-up? It finds 169 errors, but it can't scan your computer. It is just fooling the user to buy their program. It can't fix any errors.

Hallo Test :)
It is a wonder that those firm is still around
- As they make more hard then good.
 :Win73:Yes I tried to have Errorsafe pop-up
And my harddisk was just brand new (So I could not manage to have so many errors yet)
And Ad-Aware say: No errors.


I don't know if you understand this, but: Hej Jørn, er du dansker?  :D

Yes it is amazing that software like that is legal in a country. It is only a pain in the ass, with all the advertisments and so on.

Yes I am Dansker ! :gwave:
I was born in Copenhagen, Danmark
 :thumbsup:
Are You Danish too, since you write in Danish language
:mitch:

Fullblood Danish, yeah  :D

But im from Jylland.

Nice to meet some other danish people in here  :D

But it was a little off-topic. Lets get on the topic again.  :)

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Re: ? Are FAKE "Spyware" Programs still operating ?
« Reply #10 on: June 29, 2007, 01:56:19 PM »
Usually they aren't doing more than just say "you have XX errors. Buy this program to fix them", but when you buy it, it does not more than say "The problems are fixed". There are not these errors the program is detecting. And it dosen't repair them.

Ever tried to get at Errorsafe pop-up? It finds 169 errors, but it can't scan your computer. It is just fooling the user to buy their program. It can't fix any errors.

Hallo Test :)
It is a wonder that those firm is still around
- As they make more hard then good.
 :Win73:Yes I tried to have Errorsafe pop-up
And my harddisk was just brand new (So I could not manage to have so many errors yet)
And Ad-Aware say: No errors.


I don't know if you understand this, but: Hej Jørn, er du dansker?  :D

Yes it is amazing that software like that is legal in a country. It is only a pain in the ass, with all the advertisments and so on.

Yes I am Dansker ! :gwave:
I was born in Copenhagen, Danmark
 :thumbsup:
Are You Danish too, since you write in Danish language
:mitch:

Fullblood Danish, yeah  :D

But im from Jylland.

Nice to meet some other danish people in here  :D

But it was a little off-topic. Lets get on the topic again.  :)
Ja - Det er dejligt at møde en landsmand - :thumbsup:
Min kone er fra Jylland - Randers
Ok - Tilbage til Topic ! :hammy:

Yes - It is nice to meet a fellow Dane (Of what landsmand is translated to?!)
My wife is from Jutland - Randers. :rose:
OK - Back to Topic ! :boat3:

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Re: ? Are FAKE "Spyware" Programs still operating ?
« Reply #11 on: June 29, 2007, 04:13:26 PM »
To give some perspective, Program:Win32/Winfixer is currently the 7th most removed adware/spyware item for users that use our products. (Source: http://www.microsoft.com/security/portal)

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Re: ? Are FAKE "Spyware" Programs still operating ?
« Reply #12 on: June 29, 2007, 07:09:42 PM »
Hi JørnRudolph :)
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But it is a wonder such firm excists

E.T. phone back home to Copenhagen...crash boom bang :blink:..welcome back to the real world... In the real world there's always someone who try to steal from you and are cheating on you if you don't take care. So it is on the net, too. It is just not that easy to control cybercrime as it is in real life. It will take the entire European army 3-4 decades 24/7/366 or more to find all them cybercriminals.
So there is only one, na, two things to do and it is to protect yourself and your puter against the bad things and fight against the crapware. I know it is not easy to be 100% safe, but I know that there are given so many advices every day in newpapers, magazines, on the tele, via your isp , security forums etc. etc.
I dunno how many HJT-logs I've seen over the years in the forums, but it's many. Problems are solved, advices on security software are given and even setup guides are written columns up and down, but do people always listen to the advices which are given or reading it? Nope, people are often making exactly the same mistakes over and over again because they haven't listened to the advices given by people who have the knowledge about things.
Hmm, I think i'm gonna install some Zangobars,Spyaxe, Emule and download some dunderheaded cracked software from the Piratebay tonight, like so many other PC-users do all the time ....and see if it makes my puter run better....maybe I also should enter some sites on the dark side of the net and give out all my private information about myself and even my emailadresses, and get my mailbox filled up with 2000 spammails every day.....na, na,it doesn't work!. I think I will do what I was thaugt from the beginning. It's much more safe, and I am able to work at my puter without being stressed and repair my puter all the time. :Hammys pint:
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« Reply #13 on: July 02, 2007, 10:56:57 AM »
Hi JørnRudolph,
Welcome to LandzDown!  And also welcome Tesk, you are a new member since last I visited these forums!

I just wanted to comment on stealthzone's mini-rant.

As one who frequently needs advice on issues of internet privacy and security, I feel compelled to offer my perspective.  Sometimes people get into trouble with privacy/security problems repeatedly, because they are just not knowledgable enough about their computers or the internet, to avoid it.  Some of you professionals may be thinking something like '...then they shouldn't be using their computer or the internet if they don't know what they're doing'.  But I heartily disagree -- what a boring place the world would be if there were no free spirits, who think there is nothing they can't do, once they learn how to do it!  I really doubt very many people make exactly the same mistake time and time again.  Rather I think it may be the case that they don't connect the lessons they've learned about what they did wrong that got them into trouble before, with what they may be doing now, which they have no clue might be getting them in trouble.

Such is the nature of the true "free spirit"!  Almost by definition, or...inherently, they learn best by trial and error.  When the free spirit thinks about it, computers and the internet are confoundingly confusing to learn to use.  But that's the trouble with free spirits, they tend not to think about things too much....well, not about things that they're doing anyway.  Actually I think free spirits think a whole lot about philosophical issues, love, beauty, art, music, passion, and the like, and can hold very high level and complex discussions about them.  But put technology in front of them, or math, or science, for example, and they can be like small children -- 'ooooh, that's a pretty (or cool, or rad, or otherwise somehow interesting) button, I wonder what would happen if I push it?'  In my case, I've learned from some fairly serious problems to give it a hefty measure of trying to figure out if there are any clues to its purpose, before pushing it.  But you know, people who sell computers can make them sound SO EASY to use!!  And, well, if anyone knows about computers, it's people who sell them, right?  Yeah, unfortunately, free spirits can be a bit too trusting.

I'll give you a personal example.  About 3 or 4 years ago, when I was using Norton Internet Security, my current subscription was expiring, along with support for the version I was running.  So I was going to have to get the current version.  And to my knowledge, there was no great difference between downloading the new version, or buying the CD.  I know differently now, but at the time, downloading was slightly cheaper, and I could do it right that moment (which was the wee hours of the AM).  So I purchased it online and set about to download it.

I quickly ran into trouble, however, when I couldn't download it, and kept getting some kind of error message (which I've long forgotten).  So I contacted tech support, and they said, 'oh, you just need to disable your antivirus or firewall (I can't remember now, which)'.  And I said, 'oh NO, I've been told NEVER to be on the internet without having those programs enabled!'.  But they said (and btw, Symantec, as well as other tech support people, have several times told me to disable them, to allow downloads!), 'don't worry, our download sites have only the best security available anywhere, and you cannot get a virus while you are downloading from us.'  "Trust me," he said, "nothing bad can happen to you as long as you are on the Symantec website, even if you have no AV or FW at all."  Who was I (or any free spirit) to question them further?  How could I doubt advice from internet security professionals, about internet security issues?

And how could those of you, who are internet security professionals, blame me, or any user like me, when I got a virus about 3/4 of the way through the download, which aborted the download.  And I will repeat myself, that I've been told several times, by various tech support people (never here are LzD though ), to disable either my AV, FW, or both, for one reason or another, and then to log on to the internet to do whatever it is I'm trying to do.  Ever since I got the virus while DLing from Symantec, I have refused to do it, and the tech support person usually can find another way to solve the problem.  But with professionals dispensing such advice, I don't think you can blame un-technologically-oriented users when they get into trouble.

Ah, but there's still the main point I want to make.  After the Norton DL aborted, and I got the virus alert, I went offline right away to deal with the virus.  All the affected files could not be fixed, so a couple of them could only be quarantined.  A few scans later (just to be sure), it looked like the virus had been successfully handled, and I went back online.  I did NOT go straight to try the DL again, because I couldn't figure out how I would do it with my AV and FW enabled, and I wasn't going to fall for THAT trick again!

But I did go back to Symantec, to learn as much as I could about the particular virus I had gotten, what files it affected and how, etc.  And oh, cool, I found a program that Symantec offered to clean up after this virus!  How could I possibly get into trouble with this program, as long as my AV and FW were working?  So I , and tried to DL it, and there was no problem like before.  I did successfully start the DL, with AV and FW enabled....or so I thought .

But shortly into that DL, it aborted too, and I got multiple virus alerts, multiple non-virus related pop-ups, a huge browser slow-down, and then my computer shut down and restarted itself.  When the puter was booted back up again, I looked to the [system tray icon notification area bottom right corner of the screen whatever you call it] to confirm that my AV and FW were still enabled.  But the icons were completely GONE!!  I was shocked!  Certainly I'm not in the habit of looking at the tray every few moments, to make sure my security is enabled.  But more importantly, what happened to my Norton programs????  OMG!!!

I spent the next several hours and days franticly trying to fix everything, and I can't remember exactly when I figured out how I got into trouble.  But eventually I learned that the part of the process of downloading the new Norton product, which uninstalled the old product, was not aborted along with the download.  Was it so naive for me to think that the uninstallation of the old product was not completed, because the download and installation of the new one wasn't?  I still can't imagine how it happened that the old versions were removed, and apparently not protecting me, but I still got the virus alerts.  Never before or since has any DL or installation aborted, while leaving parts of the DL or installation behind.

Yet when I took the remains of these problems, which I couldn't resolve by myself, to a support forum (LzD didn't exist, at that time), I was treated exactly like stealthzone's mini-rant.  Apparently at that particular forum, only 1 other member was allowed to help those members who were having problems.  But the person assigned to me was so busy, it would take him literally a week to reply to each of my replies.  Meanwhile, I would literally beg for others to jump in and help me with questions I had about his instructions.  And a few did dare do so, but only with a great deal of apologizing to this person.  After 6 weeks, with me unable to use the internet, except to look for replies on that forum, we had made precious little progress, and he finally told me I needed too much hand-holding, and that I should take my machine to a local shop and pay a professional to clean it!  This man may take money for doing this as his "day job", the definition of "professional", but he did not behave towards me in a professional manner.

I think this experience is the perfect example of the danger of stealthzone's perspective.  The professional gets a big head, and simply can't be bothered with what they consider to be stupid mistakes.  But it takes one free spirit just a few hours to set up their new computer and figure out how to get on the internet.  And from there, it looks to me like it takes less than an hour to unknowingly obtain a pretty serious collection of malware.  Surely even professionals can't expect a person to learn 'safe internet-surfing practices' in such a short time.  When I got my new computer, just 4 or 5 years ago, it did NOT contain even the most basic facts of internet safety and security.  There were trial versions of Norton, and another AV, but no firewall.  Apparently I read something, somewhere, about the importance of using a good AV program and FW, because I did subscribe to Symantec and purchase a full version of NIS.  But other than that, I had no chance to learn anything about internet security, before happily and free-spiritedly jumping on to the internet with both feet and my new computer.

I understand that it must be incredibly frustrating dealing with people like me, free spirit that I am.  I AM slowly learning, and teaching myself as I go.  And I have NEVER been ungrateful for the help I've gotten from sympathetic support forums such as LandzDown.

But please, please, please, professionals, you must treat even non-professionals with respect and dignity.  ESPECIALLY the newest and most novice of users.  If you are offering free advice, then make it freely given, without regret or complaint.  If you want to earn money for your advice, then open your own repair shop.  But most importantly, if you want to be personally treated with respect and dignity, you must treat others with respect and dignity, even non-professionals who may appear to make the same mistakes again and again, because this is what you have chosen to do as your life's work!!

Sorry to go off-topic, but this is a response that I feel is important to make.  If necessary, perhaps the moderators could use stealthzone's reply to start a new topic, and then make mine the 1st reply.

Thanks for listening :D.
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Re: ? Are FAKE "Spyware" Programs still operating ?
« Reply #14 on: July 02, 2007, 08:20:12 PM »
Hi Brynn
I think you have misunderstood my writeup a bit. The writeup was  not meant in a negative or personally way at all. Wut I only tried to tell JørnRudolp is that there will always be a risk going online. JørnRudolph asked why there's still all this fake software and stuff on the net, and well there is, and from my point of view it will always be like that. It is like in the real world , just much more.  I really indeed hope we someday are able to get rid of all that bad stuff online which make our puters crash or people who try to empty our bank accounts etc.
I know it's not easy to deal with safety online and the technical stuff as well. I'm not working with computers in a professional way at all, and have had all the same problems as everybody else in the beginning. There's no quistions which is stupid or something like that. JørnRudolps quistion is actually a real good one because it would be great if we could get rid of all that stuff. The fact is just that I know of people who really do know about where to go on the net ,and where not to go, but can't stay away from it despite they know it will cause problems. It just sometimes make me sad it is like that.
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