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McAfee vs Windows Defender and Windows Firewall?
« on: November 21, 2015, 01:21:04 AM »
Hi,

I am using an All-In-One HP Pavilion 23-g017c  (x64) AMD A6-5200 APU w/Radeon HD Graphics, running Windows 8.1 and using IE 11 with McAfee Multi-Access Internet Security. For what it is worth I am on the list to be updated to Windows 10.

I am wondering what others think about the pros and cons of me dropping McAfee and trying Windows Defender and the Windows Firewall that come with Windows 8.1?   I am not a computer guru but I think McAfee has protected me since I got it when I switched ISPs in January and went with Windstream.  However, it does seem to use a lot of resources.

In addition to McAfee I also use Spyware Blaster, Malwarebytes Anti-Malware (Free) and SuperAntiSpyware (Free).

Just wondering what other more experienced users think about me possibly making the switch?

Thanks and regards,
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Re: McAfee vs Windows Defender and Windows Firewall?
« Reply #1 on: November 21, 2015, 01:29:25 AM »
FWIW, this box runs 8.1 and uses IE 11 as the primary browser ... I have Windows Defender and Firewall (as well as SpywareBlaster and MBAM), and I am completely satisfied with my security.  Then again, I don't surf dodgy sites, click on random links, etc  ;)
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Re: McAfee vs Windows Defender and Windows Firewall?
« Reply #2 on: November 21, 2015, 09:34:11 AM »
Morning winchester73,

Your response is appreciated. I know from reading that McAfee isn't the easiest Security program to uninstall so I am still reading up on that subject.

Thanks and regards,
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Re: McAfee vs Windows Defender and Windows Firewall?
« Reply #3 on: November 21, 2015, 12:14:48 PM »
Hi 2harts4ever,
You might want to use this tool:
http://mcafee-removal-tool.com/
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Re: McAfee vs Windows Defender and Windows Firewall?
« Reply #4 on: November 21, 2015, 12:20:54 PM »
Hi Ghost,

I appreciate your link for the McAfee removal tool.

Right now I am still exploring my options while looking at Windows Defender and the Free Windows Firewall compared to other free ones as well as programs like Vipre, etc.

Thanks and regards,
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Re: McAfee vs Windows Defender and Windows Firewall?
« Reply #5 on: November 21, 2015, 01:06:17 PM »
Hi, 2harts4ever!  It is always nice to see you.

I agree with Ghost regarding the McAfee removal tool.


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Re: McAfee vs Windows Defender and Windows Firewall?
« Reply #6 on: November 21, 2015, 01:35:56 PM »
Hi Corrine,

Always good seeing your name responding to my posts too.  I seem to remember seeing you posting somewhere on this forum that you felt Defender and the Window Firewall would provide ample security protection for Win 8.1 users.

Did I dream that or did you make such a statement?  ;)

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Re: McAfee vs Windows Defender and Windows Firewall?
« Reply #7 on: November 21, 2015, 01:59:30 PM »
No, you didn't dream it.  As Winchester73 said, "I don't surf dodgy sites, click on random links, etc".  In addition to Windows Defender/Windows Firewall, I also use WinPatrol Plus, MBAM Pro and Malwarebytes Anti-Exploit (free). 

Before you uninstall McAfee, be sure to note your license information.  That way, if you change your mind, you can reinstall it.


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Re: McAfee vs Windows Defender and Windows Firewall?
« Reply #8 on: November 21, 2015, 02:06:27 PM »
For my 2¢, I used Microsoft Security Essentials (MSE) and Windows Firewall (WF) with my Windows 7 systems since W7 first came out. Microsoft upgraded MSE, renamed it to Windows Defender (WD), then bundled it into Windows 8. I then used WD and WF in all my Windows 8 systems. I have upgraded all my systems to W10 and now use WD and WF in all of them too. I have never had any problems with this security setup and do not hesitate recommending you too go with WD and WF. And the good news is they are already in W10 and enabled by default.

That said, regardless the anti-malware solution you use, it is always good to have a supplemental scanner handy just to verify your primary scanner, or you (the user is always the weakest link in security) did not let something slip by. I use MBAM for that so it is good to see you do too. FTR, if you like MBAM Free, MBAM Premium is the only paid anti-malware solution I recommend as it does not interfered with other programs, is cheaper initially than other paid programs and recurring costs are less too. The primary difference between the free and premium versions of MBAM is MBAM Premium has a real-time scanner. The Free version is just as good, you just have to remember to manually initiate the scan once a week or so. 

Like Corrine, I also use WinPatrol Plus.

If you decide to go with WD in place of McAfee (and I see no reason why you shouldn't), I recommend you uninstall McAfee before upgrading to W10. Your Windows 8.x "should" automatically enable Windows Defender when it senses McAfee has been disabled/uninstalled.

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Re: McAfee vs Windows Defender and Windows Firewall?
« Reply #9 on: November 21, 2015, 02:14:38 PM »
Hi Digerati and Corrine,

Glad to read both of your responses just now.  I am getting more and more confident on making the switch the more I read posts like both of yours.

Right now I am just trying to get the correct steps down to uninstall McAfee All Access - Internet Security properly.  I have read that after stopping its Firewall and Antivirus programs  I should run the Uninstall Program listed in the Control Center and then run their Remove Tool that 'Ghost' gave me the link too.

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Re: McAfee vs Windows Defender and Windows Firewall?
« Reply #10 on: November 21, 2015, 02:24:27 PM »
Re: Windows firewall

By default, the windows firewall only blocks incoming connections.
Normally this covers most contingencies, but if you inadvertently get the wrong malware, it's free to send stuff out, "phone home", & etc.

If you turn on outgoing protection, it will block everything including your browser, e-mail client, and updates to other software, unless you make a "rule" for each program you wish to allow. You actually need to make a list of programs that need internet access, and make a rule for each one.

Some would argue that outbound protection is like closing the door after the burglar gets in, others prefer the extra level of security.

Many third party firewalls, make the rule making much easier. For instance "ZoneAlarm" asks you whether or not to allow access when a program tries to access the internet, and gives you the option of allowing it once, or always allowing it. One "mouse-click" per program, is a lot less tedious than figuring out which ones need access, and making a "rule" for each one.

Unfortunately, a lot of freeware comes with a catch. If you're not extremely careful, you may get a toolbar, or some adware that you don't want (PUPs).

Personally:
I used ZoneAlarm free from (about) 1998 to 2014. Avoiding the "PUPs" became routine. Then recently, after a Microsoft update, I started getting occasional BSOD crashes, that I found to be related to ZoneAlarm. I switched to the Windows Firewall...... The crashes stopped....
BUT:
I've made the "list", but haven't yet taken the time to make the "rules". For the time being, I only have incoming protection. :(

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Re: McAfee vs Windows Defender and Windows Firewall?
« Reply #11 on: November 21, 2015, 02:31:01 PM »
Hi Pete!,

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Re: Windows firewall

By default, the windows firewall only blocks incoming connections.
Normally this covers most contingencies, but if you inadvertently get the wrong malware, it's free to send stuff out, "phone home", & etc.

If you turn on outgoing protection, it will block everything including your browser, e-mail client, and updates to other software, unless you make a "rule" for each program you wish to allow. You actually need to make a list of programs that need internet access, and make a rule for each one.

Ummmh .... I had better check into this further.  Anyone else have any thoughts on this subject?

Thanks and regards,
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Re: McAfee vs Windows Defender and Windows Firewall?
« Reply #12 on: November 21, 2015, 02:44:22 PM »
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Ummmh .... I had better check into this further.  Anyone else have any thoughts on this subject?
Ummm, yes. Sorry Pete, but that is totally incorrect.

The Windows Firewall has been a highly effective two-way firewall ever since Windows Vista. It is true in Windows XP it only blocked incoming ports. But Microsoft changed that in Vista where by default, it was fully two-way.

https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/network/bb545423.aspx
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Re: McAfee vs Windows Defender and Windows Firewall?
« Reply #13 on: November 21, 2015, 04:25:08 PM »
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Ummmh .... I had better check into this further.  Anyone else have any thoughts on this subject?
Ummm, yes. Sorry Pete, but that is totally incorrect.

The Windows Firewall has been a highly effective two-way firewall ever since Windows Vista. It is true in Windows XP it only blocked incoming ports. But Microsoft changed that in Vista where by default, it was fully two-way.

https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/network/bb545423.aspx
What I told him was based on my experience.

After I got rid of ZA, I wasn't particularly happy with the firewall recommended to me by a friend, so I enabled Windows Firewall.

Then, after reading a discussion/debate (was it you and techy?), I checked. Outbound was disabled by default.... I enabled it.

It didn't take long to realize that Firefox and Thunderbird were suddenly nonfunctional.
I made "rules" for them, and was able to surf and use email.

Since a lot of my security software, relies on updates, I disabled outgoing protection, until such time as I could make rules for other software.

I did NOT say it wasn't a two-way firewall.
I pointed out that setting it up is a lot more work than some of the third party alternatives.
The process is so tedious, that I've been putting it off for months.

I made a list of eleven programs on my machine that need internet access, so far I only have two of them checked off. .... Oops, just thought of three more, now the list has fourteen programs on it.

I may experiment to see if ZA can play nice with Windows 10, better than it did with Windows 8 (after a certain update).

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« Reply #14 on: November 21, 2015, 05:10:02 PM »
2harts4ever,

I do not have much to add to the comments already given.  My main computer is running Windows XP, so I have opted for free 3rd party products.  Currently I am running Private Firewall 7.0.30.3 and Avira Free Antivirus, along with the other main free scanners/detectors Malwarebytes Free, Spyware Blaster, Super AntiSpyware, both Spybot 1.62 and 2.4, and WinPatrol Plus.

With reference to firewalls you may want to examine a couple of sites that I have found useful:

http://www.matousec.com/projects/proactive-security-challenge-64/
(Also http://www.matousec.com/projects/proactive-security-challenge-64/results.php )

http://www.techsupportalert.com/best-free-firewall-protection.htm .

A few years ago when I used Windows 2000 (1999-2012) I did use the earlier versions of Windows Defender before it was called by that name, and I was very satisfied with it.  However at some point it was renamed and ceased to work on Windows 2000.  Now finally having moved on to Windows XP I just never got around to installing it again as I am satisfied with the free security setup that I have.

When all is said and done just make sure that you have decent firewall and antivirus programs, and preferably a real-time antimalware program, and perhaps several backup/alternative antimalware scanner/removers, all of which can be had for free.  And WinPatrol is highly recommended!

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