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Title: McAfee vs Windows Defender and Windows Firewall?
Post by: 2harts4ever on November 21, 2015, 01:21:04 AM
Hi,

I am using an All-In-One HP Pavilion 23-g017c  (x64) AMD A6-5200 APU w/Radeon HD Graphics, running Windows 8.1 and using IE 11 with McAfee Multi-Access Internet Security. For what it is worth I am on the list to be updated to Windows 10.

I am wondering what others think about the pros and cons of me dropping McAfee and trying Windows Defender and the Windows Firewall that come with Windows 8.1?   I am not a computer guru but I think McAfee has protected me since I got it when I switched ISPs in January and went with Windstream.  However, it does seem to use a lot of resources.

In addition to McAfee I also use Spyware Blaster, Malwarebytes Anti-Malware (Free) and SuperAntiSpyware (Free).

Just wondering what other more experienced users think about me possibly making the switch?

Thanks and regards,
2harts4ever



Title: Re: McAfee vs Windows Defender and Windows Firewall?
Post by: winchester73 on November 21, 2015, 01:29:25 AM
FWIW, this box runs 8.1 and uses IE 11 as the primary browser ... I have Windows Defender and Firewall (as well as SpywareBlaster and MBAM), and I am completely satisfied with my security.  Then again, I don't surf dodgy sites, click on random links, etc  ;)
Title: Re: McAfee vs Windows Defender and Windows Firewall?
Post by: 2harts4ever on November 21, 2015, 09:34:11 AM
Morning winchester73,

Your response is appreciated. I know from reading that McAfee isn't the easiest Security program to uninstall so I am still reading up on that subject.

Thanks and regards,
2harts4ever
Title: Re: McAfee vs Windows Defender and Windows Firewall?
Post by: Ghost on November 21, 2015, 12:14:48 PM
Hi 2harts4ever,
You might want to use this tool:
http://mcafee-removal-tool.com/ (http://mcafee-removal-tool.com/)
Ghost
Title: Re: McAfee vs Windows Defender and Windows Firewall?
Post by: 2harts4ever on November 21, 2015, 12:20:54 PM
Hi Ghost,

I appreciate your link for the McAfee removal tool.

Right now I am still exploring my options while looking at Windows Defender and the Free Windows Firewall compared to other free ones as well as programs like Vipre, etc.

Thanks and regards,
2harts4ever
Title: Re: McAfee vs Windows Defender and Windows Firewall?
Post by: Corrine on November 21, 2015, 01:06:17 PM
Hi, 2harts4ever!  It is always nice to see you.

I agree with Ghost regarding the McAfee removal tool.
Title: Re: McAfee vs Windows Defender and Windows Firewall?
Post by: 2harts4ever on November 21, 2015, 01:35:56 PM
Hi Corrine,

Always good seeing your name responding to my posts too.  I seem to remember seeing you posting somewhere on this forum that you felt Defender and the Window Firewall would provide ample security protection for Win 8.1 users.

Did I dream that or did you make such a statement?  ;)

Thanks and regards,
2harts4ever
Title: Re: McAfee vs Windows Defender and Windows Firewall?
Post by: Corrine on November 21, 2015, 01:59:30 PM
No, you didn't dream it.  As Winchester73 said, "I don't surf dodgy sites, click on random links, etc".  In addition to Windows Defender/Windows Firewall, I also use WinPatrol Plus, MBAM Pro and Malwarebytes Anti-Exploit (free). 

Before you uninstall McAfee, be sure to note your license information.  That way, if you change your mind, you can reinstall it.
Title: Re: McAfee vs Windows Defender and Windows Firewall?
Post by: Digerati on November 21, 2015, 02:06:27 PM
For my 2¢, I used Microsoft Security Essentials (MSE) and Windows Firewall (WF) with my Windows 7 systems since W7 first came out. Microsoft upgraded MSE, renamed it to Windows Defender (WD), then bundled it into Windows 8. I then used WD and WF in all my Windows 8 systems. I have upgraded all my systems to W10 and now use WD and WF in all of them too. I have never had any problems with this security setup and do not hesitate recommending you too go with WD and WF. And the good news is they are already in W10 and enabled by default.

That said, regardless the anti-malware solution you use, it is always good to have a supplemental scanner handy just to verify your primary scanner, or you (the user is always the weakest link in security) did not let something slip by. I use MBAM for that so it is good to see you do too. FTR, if you like MBAM Free, MBAM Premium is the only paid anti-malware solution I recommend as it does not interfered with other programs, is cheaper initially than other paid programs and recurring costs are less too. The primary difference between the free and premium versions of MBAM is MBAM Premium has a real-time scanner. The Free version is just as good, you just have to remember to manually initiate the scan once a week or so. 

Like Corrine, I also use WinPatrol Plus.

If you decide to go with WD in place of McAfee (and I see no reason why you shouldn't), I recommend you uninstall McAfee before upgrading to W10. Your Windows 8.x "should" automatically enable Windows Defender when it senses McAfee has been disabled/uninstalled.

Title: Re: McAfee vs Windows Defender and Windows Firewall?
Post by: 2harts4ever on November 21, 2015, 02:14:38 PM
Hi Digerati and Corrine,

Glad to read both of your responses just now.  I am getting more and more confident on making the switch the more I read posts like both of yours.

Right now I am just trying to get the correct steps down to uninstall McAfee All Access - Internet Security properly.  I have read that after stopping its Firewall and Antivirus programs  I should run the Uninstall Program listed in the Control Center and then run their Remove Tool that 'Ghost' gave me the link too.

Thanks and regards,
2harts4ever
Title: Re: McAfee vs Windows Defender and Windows Firewall?
Post by: Pete! on November 21, 2015, 02:24:27 PM
Re: Windows firewall

By default, the windows firewall only blocks incoming connections.
Normally this covers most contingencies, but if you inadvertently get the wrong malware, it's free to send stuff out, "phone home", & etc.

If you turn on outgoing protection, it will block everything including your browser, e-mail client, and updates to other software, unless you make a "rule" for each program you wish to allow. You actually need to make a list of programs that need internet access, and make a rule for each one.

Some would argue that outbound protection is like closing the door after the burglar gets in, others prefer the extra level of security.

Many third party firewalls, make the rule making much easier. For instance "ZoneAlarm" asks you whether or not to allow access when a program tries to access the internet, and gives you the option of allowing it once, or always allowing it. One "mouse-click" per program, is a lot less tedious than figuring out which ones need access, and making a "rule" for each one.

Unfortunately, a lot of freeware comes with a catch. If you're not extremely careful, you may get a toolbar, or some adware that you don't want (PUPs).

Personally:
I used ZoneAlarm free from (about) 1998 to 2014. Avoiding the "PUPs" became routine. Then recently, after a Microsoft update, I started getting occasional BSOD crashes, that I found to be related to ZoneAlarm. I switched to the Windows Firewall...... The crashes stopped....
BUT:
I've made the "list", but haven't yet taken the time to make the "rules". For the time being, I only have incoming protection. :(
Title: Re: McAfee vs Windows Defender and Windows Firewall?
Post by: 2harts4ever on November 21, 2015, 02:31:01 PM
Hi Pete!,

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Re: Windows firewall

By default, the windows firewall only blocks incoming connections.
Normally this covers most contingencies, but if you inadvertently get the wrong malware, it's free to send stuff out, "phone home", & etc.

If you turn on outgoing protection, it will block everything including your browser, e-mail client, and updates to other software, unless you make a "rule" for each program you wish to allow. You actually need to make a list of programs that need internet access, and make a rule for each one.

Ummmh .... I had better check into this further.  Anyone else have any thoughts on this subject?

Thanks and regards,
2harts4ever
Title: Re: McAfee vs Windows Defender and Windows Firewall?
Post by: Digerati on November 21, 2015, 02:44:22 PM
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Ummmh .... I had better check into this further.  Anyone else have any thoughts on this subject?
Ummm, yes. Sorry Pete, but that is totally incorrect.

The Windows Firewall has been a highly effective two-way firewall ever since Windows Vista. It is true in Windows XP it only blocked incoming ports. But Microsoft changed that in Vista where by default, it was fully two-way.

https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/network/bb545423.aspx
Title: Re: McAfee vs Windows Defender and Windows Firewall?
Post by: Pete! on November 21, 2015, 04:25:08 PM
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Ummmh .... I had better check into this further.  Anyone else have any thoughts on this subject?
Ummm, yes. Sorry Pete, but that is totally incorrect.

The Windows Firewall has been a highly effective two-way firewall ever since Windows Vista. It is true in Windows XP it only blocked incoming ports. But Microsoft changed that in Vista where by default, it was fully two-way.

https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/network/bb545423.aspx
What I told him was based on my experience.

After I got rid of ZA, I wasn't particularly happy with the firewall recommended to me by a friend, so I enabled Windows Firewall.

Then, after reading a discussion/debate (was it you and techy?), I checked. Outbound was disabled by default.... I enabled it.

It didn't take long to realize that Firefox and Thunderbird were suddenly nonfunctional.
I made "rules" for them, and was able to surf and use email.

Since a lot of my security software, relies on updates, I disabled outgoing protection, until such time as I could make rules for other software.

I did NOT say it wasn't a two-way firewall.
I pointed out that setting it up is a lot more work than some of the third party alternatives.
The process is so tedious, that I've been putting it off for months.

I made a list of eleven programs on my machine that need internet access, so far I only have two of them checked off. .... Oops, just thought of three more, now the list has fourteen programs on it.

I may experiment to see if ZA can play nice with Windows 10, better than it did with Windows 8 (after a certain update).
Title: Re: McAfee vs Windows Defender and Windows Firewall?
Post by: v_v on November 21, 2015, 05:10:02 PM
2harts4ever,

I do not have much to add to the comments already given.  My main computer is running Windows XP, so I have opted for free 3rd party products.  Currently I am running Private Firewall 7.0.30.3 and Avira Free Antivirus, along with the other main free scanners/detectors Malwarebytes Free, Spyware Blaster, Super AntiSpyware, both Spybot 1.62 and 2.4, and WinPatrol Plus.

With reference to firewalls you may want to examine a couple of sites that I have found useful:

http://www.matousec.com/projects/proactive-security-challenge-64/
(Also http://www.matousec.com/projects/proactive-security-challenge-64/results.php )

http://www.techsupportalert.com/best-free-firewall-protection.htm .

A few years ago when I used Windows 2000 (1999-2012) I did use the earlier versions of Windows Defender before it was called by that name, and I was very satisfied with it.  However at some point it was renamed and ceased to work on Windows 2000.  Now finally having moved on to Windows XP I just never got around to installing it again as I am satisfied with the free security setup that I have.

When all is said and done just make sure that you have decent firewall and antivirus programs, and preferably a real-time antimalware program, and perhaps several backup/alternative antimalware scanner/removers, all of which can be had for free.  And WinPatrol is highly recommended!

v_v
Title: Re: McAfee vs Windows Defender and Windows Firewall?
Post by: Pete! on November 21, 2015, 05:57:27 PM
........With reference to firewalls you may want to examine a couple of sites that I have found useful:..........
Thanks....
Thanks to your links, I found "Windows 10 Firewall Control"
The review was for the Windows 7 version, but the new version was easy to find.
http://www.sphinx-soft.com/Vista/order.html

If the free version works as advertised, and it simplifies setting up the Windows Firewall, I may stay with the Windows Firewall. I'm going to try it  :)

Title: Re: McAfee vs Windows Defender and Windows Firewall?
Post by: Corrine on November 21, 2015, 06:07:44 PM
v_v,

I agree with your recommendation regarding A/V, firewall, real-time, etc. protection.  However, since you're still using an old (unsupported) OS, I suspect you aren't up to date on the software for current systems.  Windows Defender was not introduced as an antivirus software until the release of Windows 8 in 2012.  During the 1999-2000 time frame, Windows Defender was an anti-spyware program.  As Bill posted above, Microsoft Security Essentials (MSE) was retrofitted for interface with Windows secured boot, a new Window 8 protection feature at that time.

As to matousec.com, they were noted for firewall tests some time ago.  The referenced security challenge is from a year ago so not particularly relevant to current Windows installations.
Title: Re: McAfee vs Windows Defender and Windows Firewall?
Post by: Digerati on November 21, 2015, 06:16:55 PM
You are right, you did not say it was not a two-way firewall. But you did say it was one way by default and that is incorrect.

And it is also incorrect to say the setup is tedious. In fact, for the vast majority of users, no setup is required at all. It works perfectly fine using the initial default settings. In fact, except for some on-line gamers, it is rare any changes to the defaults are ever needed.

Not only that, but unlike all other 3rd party firewalls, the Windows Firewall is coded to block unauthorized access during the initial boot stages of the operating system, well before any of the 3rd party firewall code even has a chance to load. This is particularly important when you first install Windows and are most vulnerable.

Truth be told, I see no reason to use any 3rd party firewall with any modern version of Windows (7, 8 or 10). They just are not need and consume extra system resources (RAM, disk space, and CPU cycles) while provide no significant added value.

Windows 7, 8 and especially Windows 10 are NOT XP and should not treated as such.

I have said this before but it bears worth repeating. You do not need an Abrams tank to be safe. But you do need to keep your car up to current standards, AND you need to drive defensively. Same with your computer. You need a modern OS, keep it updated, and don't be "click-happy" on unsolicited downloads, attachments and links. Even the best security cannot keep you (the user and always weakest link) safe if you open the door and let the badguy in.

As for your first two links, they are immaterial to this discussion as they don't address the security native to Windows. And if you note, your third link does indeed point out that Windows Firewall has outbound protection. It just focuses on the limited customization it allows. But again, only a very few users ever need to dink with firewall settings, but for those who do, WF allows to define custom inbound or outbound rules as you choose fit. And like most programs, once you learn how to use that particular program, it is not hard or tedious to use.

As for earlier versions of Windows Defender, it is important to note it is not, in any way, related to the Windows Defender found in Windows 8 or Windows 10. Unfortunately, this is another example of Microsoft creating confusion by using the same or similar names for two different programs.

As v_v noted, the Windows Defender that works with Windows 7 and earlier versions of Windows is an anti-spyware only program. It does NOT scan for viruses, worms, Trojans or the like. Only spyware.

Way back in 2004, Microsoft started to get fed up with the relentless and often unfounded bashing they were getting over security. So they purchased one of the leading anti-spyware programs of the day called Giant Anti-spyware, renamed it as Windows Defender, then released it for free.

Fast forward to Windows 8 and Microsoft enhanced Microsoft Security Essentials, renamed the enhanced version to Windows Defender and embedded it into Windows 8 (and now W10 too). This W8/W10 version of Windows Defender is a full anti-malware solution. It scans for spyware, but also scans for viruses, worms, Trojans and other malicious software (malware). It was not simply retrofitted for Secure Boot (a feature of UEFI) overhauled as a full anti-malware solution.
Title: Re: McAfee vs Windows Defender and Windows Firewall?
Post by: 2harts4ever on November 21, 2015, 09:30:42 PM
Everyone,

Just wanted to update everyone on what is going on with my post.

McAfee is history on my computer! 

I created a restore point and then disabled all my McAfee programs.  Then using Add/Remove in my control panel I uninstalled McAfee.  Rebooted and then ran the McAfee Remove Program, rebooted and then updated Defender. Windows Firewall started as soon as I deleted the McAfee firewall. 

I ran my first scan with Defender and all is well.

All your comments and information are much appreciated and leaves me with one more question:

Are there any settings I need to change in Windows Firewall that I should be aware of as I begin using it?

I have to get off the computer now because my wife says she is about to throw my 73-year old body out in the street if I don't let her back on the computer soon ...lol

Thanks and regards,
2harts4ever
Title: Re: McAfee vs Windows Defender and Windows Firewall?
Post by: Corrine on November 21, 2015, 10:37:48 PM
For when you wife lets you back on the computer:  I haven't found it necessary to make any changes in Windows Firewall and have used it on Windows Vista, Windows 7, Windows 8.1 and Windows 10.
Title: Re: McAfee vs Windows Defender and Windows Firewall?
Post by: 2harts4ever on November 21, 2015, 11:03:42 PM
Hi Corrine,

Speaking of Windows 10 I just received my notice that my upgrade is available.  I think I will give it a shot.  Keep your fingers crossed.

Thanks and regards,
2harts4ever
Title: Re: McAfee vs Windows Defender and Windows Firewall?
Post by: Corrine on November 21, 2015, 11:48:53 PM
I think it has been around 12 years that I've known you and I have every confidence that you'll do just fine. 
Title: Re: McAfee vs Windows Defender and Windows Firewall?
Post by: v_v on November 22, 2015, 05:29:26 AM
Corrine,

I am sort of confused by your comments.  My post was mostly about possible 3rd party firewalls and my experience with the predecessor of Windows Defender.

What I was saying was that I used "earlier versions of Windows Defender before it was called by that name."  When I used it, it was called Microsoft Antispyware, and I found it to be a good anti-spyware program at that time.  That was all that I intended to communicate.  As you correctly noted because of my dated system I do not have any present relevant experience with Windows Defender.  (And Digerati/Bill's post did further clarify the situation.)

As for firewalls my only intention was to provide additional sources of information for 2harts4ever to possibly consider.  The Matousec Proactive Security Challenge 64 may contain slightly dated material but it still provides a list of decent 3rd party firewalls if one were to be interested in exploring such possibilities.

Again given my older system I could not and did not make any actual recommendations for someone using Windows 8.1 and moving to Windows 10 (except for WinPatrol!)

Now that 2harts4ever has successfully removed McAfee and begun using Windows Defender and Firewall all is well.

v_v
Title: Re: McAfee vs Windows Defender and Windows Firewall?
Post by: 2harts4ever on November 22, 2015, 09:57:15 AM
Morning Corrine,
 
You said: ...."I think it has been around 12 years that I've known you and I have every confidence that you'll do just fine."

I did get Windows 10 installed and up and running but I am still in the dark with a lot of the changes.  As an example I haven't been able to figure out how I can use my email program (Outlook.com).  I saved the link from IE 11 but when I bring it up I see my incoming box but it won't let me open, delete or look at any of the unread messages??

So after church services today I know what I will be doing ...lol

Thanks for your vote of confidence ...lol  I just wish I had your expertise right now.

If I can't figure some of the Win10 things out I will post a new question.

As of right now I can't utilize any of the forum items like Bold, Underline, quote, etc.  Any ideas?

Thanks and regards,
2harts4ever





Title: Re: McAfee vs Windows Defender and Windows Firewall?
Post by: Corrine on November 22, 2015, 01:07:34 PM
Sorry, v_v, my misunderstanding.

Good morning 2harts4ever.

I saw elsewhere yesterday that some people were having problems with the the Mail and Calendar app on Windows 10 yesterday not syncing.  Whatever the problem was, they reported that it is working now.  However, I don't believe that is what you meant -- rather you were using IE11.  There should be no difference accessing your Outlook.com email via IE11 on Windows 10 than on Windows 7 or 8.1.  Try using https://mail.live.com instead of the saved link and see what happens. 

Although I don't personally care for the Windows 10 mail app, also give that a try. 
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As of right now I can't utilize any of the forum items like Bold, Underline, quote, etc.  Any ideas?
If you are using the "Quick Reply" box, you need to click "Preview" to see the BBCode icons.  The other option is to click the bold "REPLY" link rather than using "Quick Reply". 
Title: Re: McAfee vs Windows Defender and Windows Firewall?
Post by: Digerati on November 22, 2015, 01:33:46 PM
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Are there any settings I need to change in Windows Firewall that I should be aware of as I begin using it?
No. Some on-line multi-player Internet games may require it, or if you need to give someone out there on the Internet specific remote control access to your computer you may need to create a specific rule to allow them access. But if you just surf the net, use email, chat, do on-line shopping, on-line banking, normal work and school projects, YouTube, Twitter, Facebook, etc., the default settings in WF are just fine.

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When I used it, it was called Microsoft Antispyware
I don't think it was ever "officially" named that - except in Beta. That is, when Microsoft first bought Giant Antispyware, they immediately put it in "Beta" while they worked on "rebranding" it as a Microsoft product. But as soon as the code was finalized and it was released to the public, it got its official name of "Windows Defender".

Windows AntiSpyware becomes Windows Defender (http://www.cnet.com/news/windows-antispyware-becomes-defender/)
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Microsoft will also release Windows Defender for XP users. It will be released as an update to the current edition of Windows AntiSpyware, which has been available in a beta version since January.
Title: Re: McAfee vs Windows Defender and Windows Firewall?
Post by: v_v on November 22, 2015, 05:23:33 PM
Bill,

You are most likely correct about the Microsoft AntiSpyware probably being in beta during 2005.  I just remember that there seemed to have been an MSAS folder set up on my computer during that time.  I went back through some old posts at Freedomlist during 2005 and myself and others were definitely calling it Microsoft AntiSpyware without the beta.  But maybe it was beta all along.  I just remember that I was sad when finally one of its successor updates Windows Defender 1.1.1347 would no longer operate on my Windows 2000 machine as of 12-31-06.  Up to that point it had worked just fine!  Sigh.
Title: Re: McAfee vs Windows Defender and Windows Firewall?
Post by: Digerati on November 22, 2015, 05:57:05 PM
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I went back through some old posts at Freedomlist during 2005 and myself and others were definitely calling it Microsoft AntiSpyware without the beta.
No doubt I called it Microsoft AntiSpyware too. I get stuck in a groove and stay there - even for years. For example, it was many years ago when Microsoft renamed that area in the lower right of our screens to "Notification Area" yet I still call it "System Tray".

Or then there is File Manager in DOS and real early versions of Windows that was renamed to Windows Explorer (I am certain, to confuse folks with Internet Explorer ;)). Not sure people realize that it was been renamed again in W10 and is now called File Explore. This is the program used when you click on My Computer... err, I mean Computer to view your Directory Tree... err, I mean Folders.

It does not help when MS creates such confusion in their attempt to make things easier. Like the fact there is Outlook, Outlook Express and Outlook.com and they are all different programs.
Title: Re: McAfee vs Windows Defender and Windows Firewall?
Post by: 2harts4ever on November 22, 2015, 06:56:23 PM
@Digerati:  Thanks for your opinion on me using the default Windows Firewall settings.

@ Corrine:  Your new mail link worked!

Thanks and regards,
2harts4ever
Title: Re: McAfee vs Windows Defender and Windows Firewall?
Post by: Corrine on November 22, 2015, 07:39:02 PM
Excellent!  I doubt your account has been moved to a different mail server so you may want to try the bookmarked URL again.  If it doesn't work, after logging in via  https://mail.live.com, create a new bookmark.
Title: Re: McAfee vs Windows Defender and Windows Firewall?
Post by: Digerati on November 23, 2015, 04:38:49 PM
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@Digerati:  Thanks for your opinion on me using the default Windows Firewall settings.
You are welcome. The defaults work. And if something works, don't try to fix it!
Title: Re: McAfee vs Windows Defender and Windows Firewall?
Post by: 2harts4ever on November 23, 2015, 05:40:49 PM
Hi Digerati,

You said:  You are welcome. The defaults work. And if something works, don't try to fix it! (For your information I tried using the BBC items, ie., B, I, U, Insert Quote, etc., in my response to you but I don't seem to be able to get them to work on this forum)

In response to your quote: .... Amen to that ...lol

Thanks and regards,
2harts4ever

PS:  And ... thanks for your service from a USMC retired.
Title: Re: McAfee vs Windows Defender and Windows Firewall?
Post by: Digerati on November 23, 2015, 05:49:02 PM
Not sure why your bbcode would not work. Generally you can highlight the text then click the formatting button.

Thanks for recognizing my service, and thank you for yours.
Title: Re: McAfee vs Windows Defender and Windows Firewall?
Post by: winchester73 on November 23, 2015, 06:24:02 PM
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Test

IE11 with Windows 8.1

quote/s/u/i/b/color=red/size=12pt
Title: Re: McAfee vs Windows Defender and Windows Firewall?
Post by: 2harts4ever on November 23, 2015, 06:39:55 PM
Hi winchester73,

This is a test of the BBCode: ---   Blue is Bold ---.  I tried to make 'Blue' the color blue and the word 'Bold' in a Bold format.

I went to a few other forums and I could get them all to work when using BBCode.  For one reason or the other I am not being allowed to do it on this one.

Thanks and regards,
2harts4ever
Title: Re: McAfee vs Windows Defender and Windows Firewall?
Post by: plodr on November 23, 2015, 06:55:05 PM
Bold  color  size
All in IE 11 on Win 7. The previous was Comic Sans font.

Have you tried putting tags around the items instead of using the buttons?

bold [ b] and [ /b] without spaces
Title: Re: McAfee vs Windows Defender and Windows Firewall?
Post by: 2harts4ever on November 23, 2015, 07:03:37 PM
Hi plodr,

I'll give it a try right now:    Bold is blue

That worked but it would take me forever to do it if I had a long post ...lol

Thanks and regards,
2harts4ever
Title: Re: McAfee vs Windows Defender and Windows Firewall?
Post by: winchester73 on November 23, 2015, 08:17:50 PM
Hi winchester73,

This is a test of the BBCode: ---   Blue is Bold ---.  I tried to make 'Blue' the color blue and the word 'Bold' in a Bold format.

I went to a few other forums and I could get them all to work when using BBCode.  For one reason or the other I am not being allowed to do it on this one.

Thanks and regards,
2harts4ever

Sorry, I was playing around, meant to test it with other boxes and configurations and got sidetracked ...
Title: Re: McAfee vs Windows Defender and Windows Firewall?
Post by: winchester73 on November 23, 2015, 08:19:32 PM
Hi plodr,

I'll give it a try right now:    Bold is blue

That worked but it would take me forever to do it if I had a long post ...lol

Thanks and regards,
2harts4ever

The 'bold' worked, but I didn't see any code in there for color /color ... testing here

Hi plodr,

I'll give it a try right now:    Bold is blue

That worked but it would take me forever to do it if I had a long post ...lol

Thanks and regards,
2harts4ever

You're right ... too much work if you had a long post.  Let's see if we can figure out what is going pear shaped here ...
Title: Re: McAfee vs Windows Defender and Windows Firewall?
Post by: Digerati on November 23, 2015, 08:42:03 PM
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right ... too much work if you had a long post.  Let's see if we can figure out what is going pear shaped here ...
test  test

I guess I am not seeing the problem issue. Color seems just as easy (or hard - depending on viewpoint) as any of the other options.

Title: Re: McAfee vs Windows Defender and Windows Firewall?
Post by: MikeW on November 23, 2015, 09:09:26 PM
Bold Just a test
Title: Re: McAfee vs Windows Defender and Windows Firewall?
Post by: Corrine on November 23, 2015, 09:33:03 PM
With IE11, default settings on Windows 10, November Update, Build 10565:  Blue is Bold
Title: Re: McAfee vs Windows Defender and Windows Firewall?
Post by: plodr on November 23, 2015, 10:35:58 PM
Remove the spaces between [ and the next item.
[ color=red] insert the text you want[ /color]
choices after color are red, yellow, pink, green, orange, purple, blue, beige, brown, teal, navy maroon, lime green and of course black and white.
Not sure how often white would be used here.

[ size=36pt]insert text here[ /size]
choices are 8pt, 10pt, 12pt, 14pt, 18pt, 24pt and 36pt

I use brackets oftener than I use bbcode.