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Re: Winpatrol..R.I.P.??
« Reply #15 on: June 09, 2016, 06:48:03 PM »
onDvine...that is a lot of version two to many ;)
hopefully that gets finally worked out!

@ Digerati, your link in your thread above goes no where!

@Bret, thank you for that explanation and your dedication to the whole cause.


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Re: Winpatrol..R.I.P.??
« Reply #16 on: June 09, 2016, 07:25:01 PM »

@ Digerati, your link in your thread above goes no where!


Works for me  :-\
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Re: Winpatrol..R.I.P.??
« Reply #17 on: June 09, 2016, 07:35:40 PM »

@ Digerati, your link in your thread above goes no where!


Works for me  :-\
Me too. Must have been a hiccough. Try again.
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Re: Winpatrol..R.I.P.??
« Reply #18 on: June 09, 2016, 07:42:30 PM »
onDvine...that is a lot of version two to many ;)
hopefully that gets finally worked out! ...
Thanks, G.  :)   I don't expect it to get worked out and would prefer exiting a few instances of the program in Vista to not having it at all.  Corrine and I tried every trick she knew; uninstall/reinstall wasn't possible on either computer here.

Because posts about our efforts are inaccessible it seemed appropriate to add the snapshot...and one more with this post from my Win 7/64 today.  WinPatrol PLUS is running 4 times in Startup, 3 of which say the file does not exist.  However if any one is disabled, all are and they refuse to be removed.  Still preferable to not having WinPatrol at all.

If the problem link is the one about 'reported bugs,' it's working fine here, too.

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Re: Winpatrol..R.I.P.??
« Reply #19 on: June 09, 2016, 08:25:47 PM »
I think it is important to remember that if a problem is unique to a single machine, it probably is not a fault with WinPatrol, but some fault or setting in that system.

A bug is not really a bug unless it happens on many systems. And it will likely never get fixed unless it can be duplicated at will. That is not the fault of the developers, it is just how bug fixing works in the world of software development. This is why I specifically noted in that Bug Reports thread that the problems I reported were found and verified on at least two systems. And the links Corrine added reported more than one person having the same problems.
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Re: Winpatrol..R.I.P.??
« Reply #20 on: June 09, 2016, 08:52:32 PM »
I think it is important to remember that if a problem is unique to a single machine, it probably is not a fault with WinPatrol, but some fault or setting in that system. ...
Thanks.  I agree. :)

To be clear, the problems here are on separate machines with different operating systems.  They manifest differently on each (for example, Win 7/64 never displays multiple Scotty icons in the tray).  Corrine concluded that everything a user could do had been tried on both computers to no avail and fault remains a mystery.

I'm grateful to Bill for creating a program that works despite these issues...whoever's issues they are.

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Re: Winpatrol..R.I.P.??
« Reply #21 on: June 14, 2016, 07:38:23 AM »
WinPatrol is one of the last remaining programs of the wonderful classical HIPS era, which as long as it doesn't break by some OS change, it simply works. WinPatrol was never made to be something to stop malware dead on its tracks, it was made to alert people about something odd going on and it continues to do that just fine. I only recently update to the newest version. Before that, i was happily running a "golden" version from 2012. I am actually very happy with Ruiware's version (i was afraid i would end up with the dreaded Win8/10 flat tile theme) and Scotty keeps doing its thing lightweight as ever.

I am sorry to read that Bill has health problems. I wish him to recover. While i was in Wilders, i had Scotty as my avatar, even though WinPatrol was the weakest program protection wise. It was always a superlight companion, suitable for any setup and i will never forget the moral integrity of Bill Pytlovany, when he refused to bundle the Ask Toolbar (as well as others) to WinPatrol free and he preferred to go the hard way. Like i had written at the time in Wilders', "Bill Pytlovany, my hero!".

I have bought 3 WinPatrol licenses and they were amazing value. I never expected Scotty to halt any malware worth of that name, but the knowledge alone that much of the "ordinary" malware will cause Scotty to alert, was useful enough for me.

WinPatrol, as long as it works with the OS, is worth its money, for the alerting bonus alone. Even if it was to be officially anounced that no further updates will come.

Again, i wish the best to Bill Pytlovany.

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« Reply #22 on: June 14, 2016, 08:04:02 AM »
... WinPatrol, as long as it works with the OS, is worth its money, for the alerting bonus alone. Even if it was to be officially anounced that no further updates will come.

Again, i wish the best to Bill Pytlovany.
Bravo! :) :)

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Re: Winpatrol..R.I.P.??
« Reply #23 on: June 14, 2016, 09:06:01 AM »
Apparently the posts with relevant screen snapshots are on those inaccessible servers.

Just FYI, I did find a screen snapshot from April, 2015, showing how the Vista PC's tray usually looks when it boots.  Sometimes there are only two Scotties.  Occasionally, one.  The gray box to the left of the Scotties is always there until clicked to exit.  Hovering displays "Blocked startup programs," and the program it's blocking is yet another version of WinPatrol Explorer.

So you run Vista? It probably went unnoticed, because it's the OS that very few run.  I *may* have a workaround solution for you. No guarantee.

Install this:

https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb963902.aspx

Run it with administrator rights. Go to "logon" section. If you have multiple Winpatrol instances, uncheck them all except for the WinPatrol instance that is located in C:\program filesx86\ruiware\winpatrol.exe.  Then reboot. If this makes things worse, go back and tick the boxes again. But there is a chance that this will solve your issue.

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« Reply #24 on: June 14, 2016, 09:49:34 AM »
Thank you.  My husband chose to run Vista on his computer and I try to keep it secure for him.

Will give your suggestion a shot later (it's 3:45 a.m. here and I hope to get more sleep) unless Corrine posts saying that's one of the things we failed with last spring.

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Re: Winpatrol..R.I.P.??
« Reply #25 on: June 14, 2016, 09:57:13 AM »
Could the currently existing product be upgraded with more features, etc?  Of course!  But then would it still be that slim resourceful product that we all use and appreciate, or would it turn into another case of bloatware?


I agree 100%. My worst nightmare, is if WinPatrols starts becoming heavier and heavier in CPU usage and i/o activity. In Win7, my only "bug" is that i have a custom made task, which doesn't appear in the "Scheduled Tasks" tab. But i really don't care about that. It runs very light and that's what i care the most about.

Like i wrote in the Winantiransom forum, for me, the best addition to WinPatrol, would be a simple outbound application control, togglable on/off (as to not scare users that don't understand it), to complement the fact that Windows firewall doesn't alert for outbound, but this is a very useful function, that helps you alert on infections that you were unaware about. I don't mean that WinPatrol should have full network analysis and such, only outbound control. I would gladly pay for new license, just to get that, although i already have 2 licenses for Winpatrol Plus (plus i had bought one for a friend). But if this was to make Scotty slow and heavy, then 'd rather stay as it is. But i think outbound application control, would be in the general spirit of WinPatrol, which is basically a monitoring and alerting application and outbound control can reveal many infections that pass unnoticed or adware/spyware.

The current version, as well as a version from 2012 that i have, are what i call "golden versions", for Win7x64. No serious bugs and very lightweight versions. There was a period where Scotty had become heavier, under Bill Pytlovany and this is why i was stuck with the 2012 version. So i am keeping both the installers, no matter what WinPatrol brings in the future, cause you never know when a software goes bloatware. It's also the reason that i reverted to using MSE as antivirus, as the antivirus industry has gone mad, trying to put 10 functions, 8 services, in a product, as well as registry cleaner, performance optimizer etc. I mean please! They slow down your browsing, they slow down your navigation through folders and they want to be paid too. I much prefer the less features of the free versions, than the paid ones! I 'd gladly pay them to have just file scanner and a light behaviour blocker, but nobody does that anymore! They all have webscanners, identity theft, domain blacklist, email scanner, bla bla bla. So i end up with MSE... At least i don't have to wrestle with incompatibilities and it's light.


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Thank you.  My husband chose to run Vista on his computer and I try to keep it secure for him.

Will give your suggestion a shot later (it's 3:45 a.m. here and I hope to get more sleep) unless Corrine posts saying that's one of the things we failed with last spring.

Well, i 've never ran Vista, but in the past i 've seen multiple entries from WinPatrol in Autoruns, so it may help. The good thing with Autoruns, is that as long as you only check or uncheck a box, you can revert the change later and nothing bad can happen. Only if you choose to delete entire the entry, you may cause enough trouble to require for you reinstallation from scratch of the program.

I 've no idea what you attempted to do with Corrine, but, just saying, it doesn't hurt trying and it can be reverted.



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Re: Winpatrol..R.I.P.??
« Reply #26 on: June 14, 2016, 12:49:23 PM »
onDvine...that is a lot of version two to many ;)
hopefully that gets finally worked out! ...
Thanks, G.  :)   I don't expect it to get worked out and would prefer exiting a few instances of the program in Vista to not having it at all.  Corrine and I tried every trick she knew; uninstall/reinstall wasn't possible on either computer here.

Because posts about our efforts are inaccessible it seemed appropriate to add the snapshot...and one more with this post from my Win 7/64 today.  WinPatrol PLUS is running 4 times in Startup, 3 of which say the file does not exist.  However if any one is disabled, all are and they refuse to be removed.  Still preferable to not having WinPatrol at all.

If the problem link is the one about 'reported bugs,' it's working fine here, too.

If you right click on the three that says file does not exist, one at a time and left click delete file on the next reboot, only the current version and one instance should load after a restart.

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« Reply #27 on: June 14, 2016, 03:56:18 PM »
... If you right click on the three that says file does not exist, one at a time and left click delete file on the next reboot, only the current version and one instance should load after a restart.
Thank you, techie.  The key word above is "should."  I tried it again as it had been over a year since last time but all instances are still as they were after restarting on my Win 7/64.

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« Reply #28 on: June 14, 2016, 05:46:55 PM »
... So you run Vista? It probably went unnoticed, because it's the OS that very few run.  I *may* have a workaround solution for you. No guarantee.

Install this:

https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb963902.aspx

Run it with administrator rights. ...
I checked Startup programs in the Vista computer and they all exist and are Running, unlike the entries in Win7.  Appreciate your suggestion but decided not to mess with what is currently functioning, albeit with a few extra clicks.  Thanks again!