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? For the not so knowledged....
« on: May 16, 2008, 12:26:15 AM »
How do I slipstream Windows SP3?

Is this link sound advice?
http://juice.altiris.com/article/2869/how-slipstream-service-pack-windows-os-install-cdand
are there any dangers following it? tips would be good if the link is not for beginners please.

The reason I want to achieve this is when running SFC Scannow (now I have SP3 installed) it is needed to complete a scan correctly.

Any instructions would be welcome for this achievement thanks....

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Re: ? For the not so knowledged....
« Reply #1 on: May 16, 2008, 12:45:35 AM »
The link isn't working.  But, you can slipstream Windows XP Service Pack 3 - here's a link I think very clearly explains the process:

http://www.helpwithwindows.com/WindowsXP/Slipstreaming_Windows_XP_Service_Pack_3.html

You do need a Windows XP installation CD, either retail or OEM, such as System Builder.  If it's a custom disc, such as what some of the bigger OEMs do, then slipstreaming probably won't work.

Hope this helps,

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Re: ? For the not so knowledged....
« Reply #2 on: May 16, 2008, 01:04:22 AM »
Thanks for your reply, here is the link I sent.

http://juice.altiris.com/article/2869/how-slipstream-service-pack-windows-os-install-cd 

The first link in the first post had an 'and' on the end, that is why it did not work for you.

I do have both my Windows XP SP/2 OS CD's for each computer so would you mind looking at the link above and letting me know if it is as clear as yours for the not so knowledged.... in your opionion thanks


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Re: ? For the not so knowledged....
« Reply #3 on: May 16, 2008, 01:10:02 AM »
Dick, the link you provided does not address SP3 as the link does that Aaron provided.  Personally, I think the link Aaron provided is clearer and obviously more up to date.


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Re: ? For the not so knowledged....
« Reply #4 on: May 16, 2008, 04:05:55 AM »
As long as they're either retail CDs or are non-OEM'd discs (I'll explain in a second) then you should be good to go.  Your link looks ok, and you can use that; however, I do think the link I provided has more information in it.  I also like that it's having you use a command console to enter things rather than direct in the Run box.  This lets you see any error messages rather than not.

Ok now that explanation.  Some original equipment manufacturers (OEMs), which is just our way of saying computer building companies like Dell and HP, sometimes ship CDs that use their own custom installation method (installing an image, for example).  Those disks aren't able to be slipstreamed.  While I can't really easily say how to tell, the easiest thing I can think of is to see if the CD has a \i386 folder in it, such as D:\i386.  If so, it's probably able to be slipstreamed.  The instructions I linked to elude to what may happen with OEM CDs, but I thought I'd mention it as well to make sure it's not a surprise.

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Re: ? For the not so knowledged....
« Reply #5 on: May 16, 2008, 05:38:40 AM »
Thank you Aaron for your time and advice with this.

All I can tell you is this about my two Windows XP/SP2 CD's. Here in Australia when we have a computer built for us as I have on two occasions, among my long list of requirements was Windows XP/SP2 Home Edition be installed as the OS on each computer. The registered OS CD's came with each delivery of the new computers.  Written on both CD's is,  and I quote:

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For distribution with a new PC only.

Some time ago I tried to initiate the fax service on both my systems.
 
This is what I posted on another forum and the answer was negative on both for fax service and now it seems slipstreaming of SP3.  Correct me if I am wrong please.

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I would like to use the Fax Services that came with Windows XP/SP2
This is what I have done so far without success.
  • Opened Add and Remove
  • Clicked on Add/Remove Windows Components
  • Enabled Fax Services
  • Inserted my CD for Windows Home XP/SP2
  • Message came up "Cannot copy file fxscover.ex_. ensure Windows XP/SP2 is inserted, OR copy from D:\i386.
  • I click browse and look in i386, highlight FXCOVER.EX_
  • Click open
  • Get same message
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    Cannot copy file fxscover.ex_. ensure Windows XP/SP2 is inserted, OR copy from D:\i386

Neither of our computers have a brand name, both were especially built for us using the specifications we wanted with no bloat on them from company brand named computers.  I guess in one way it is good to do what we did, but in another not so good as I have run into this glitch not being able to slipstream SP3 nor initialize the fax service.

Would value your comments please and thank you once again for the time you spend helping us.

 
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Re: ? For the not so knowledged....
« Reply #6 on: May 16, 2008, 07:00:24 AM »
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Your OEM diskiz not allowing for the realization that it discovers the files are on yer hard drive, then unmercifullessly dissallows you to to access CabFiles....
Also, this must be an HP or Compac, there is a service that can be terminated that will allow such lateral movement...
Aaron can explain this much better than i Tho...

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Re: ? For the not so knowledged....
« Reply #7 on: May 16, 2008, 07:12:18 AM »
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Oppppppps, IAMWRONG ...
I am speaking out of line here altho...
Burn that CD to HD C:\i386 or whatever u choose, then retry the ADD\Remove duehicky ...
U must ensure that Windows "sees" the files tho...
Can be done from right clickin my computer then going to Proprties and renamming the drive (computer) ...
Then the same shell extension action on C:\ then properties security and in the C:\ drive to let windows know who owns the drive.
AAron, can explain more detailz....
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Re: ? For the not so knowledged....
« Reply #8 on: May 16, 2008, 07:27:33 AM »
The issue is a service + security that you are having and Windows is not unnerstanding your commands as sent.
Where the disk and machine do not "know" each other, you would have ben better to use an (Bill G. forgive me) upgrade disky thing stead of an OEM which in your csae cannot "see itself"
 You could also rewrite the boot sector and then do a hack to the BIOS...
Hell I just send you a Winnnowz XP Pro that I rewrit....
*Jerry is shutting up now, Aaron, my appologies and ......
Please disreguard this posting. I forgot you no longer live in Detroit.

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Re: ? For the not so knowledged....
« Reply #9 on: May 16, 2008, 07:30:51 AM »
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Re: ? For the not so knowledged....
« Reply #10 on: May 16, 2008, 04:36:34 PM »
Do the CDs have Service Pack 2 on them?  I *think*, but don't recall for sure, that when a machine is upgraded to a later service pack, and the installation media does not contain it, that you can hit this issue as the versioning doesn't align.  (Windows wonders why you're feeding it older files.)

No guarantees, but you can try slipstreaming and see what happens.  In this case, you do not need to reburn to CD when you're done.  After slipstreaming, when you go to add the fax service and it asks for your Windows XP CD, just aim it at the slipstream directory.  For example, if you copy the CD to C:\XPCD, you'll want to aim the CD request to C:\XPCD\i386.

I'm going to guess you have the System Builder OEM media, which is a Windows XP Home Edition CD with a rectangular green-covered booklet.  It shoud look like this:



If so, then that should have a \i386 folder on it.  The presence of this folder is paramount - if it's not there, then chances are there's some custom installation methods in use by your system builder, and slipstreaming probably won't work on it.

Some helpful links that you may find useful, or others if they encounter this thread and are interested in setting up the fax service under Windows XP.

Microsoft Knowledge Base Article 306550
How to enable and configure the Fax service in Windows XP
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/306550

Microsoft - Windows XP Expert Zone
Faxing in Windows XP
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/using/setup/learnmore/crawford_02october21.mspx

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Re: ? For the not so knowledged....
« Reply #11 on: May 16, 2008, 10:10:00 PM »
Yes, both Windows XP/SP2 CD's have SP2 on them and neither computers have been upgraded other than to SP3 this week.

Adding the fax service is a no no, I just tried it again but as soon as I insert the Windows XP/SP2 CD (it is now asking for Windows XP/ SP3 CD) I get the same message as explained to you in my last post.

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Cannot copy file fxscover.ex_. ensure Windows XP/SP3 is inserted, OR copy from D:\i386

it then says BROWSE, but cannot find the
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D:\i386

Both those links you sent are very familiar to me, have tried to follow them religiously, but have come up against the above in quotes each time so have more or less given up so to speak.

You are absolutely correct in your 'guess' as to the what the packaging and CD look like, they are both as your image in your last post shows.  If there is a \i386 folder on them I and the system cannot seem to find it.  I have even put in a search for it with nil results.

After following the instructions through Add and Remove below is the point I get to and then start going around in circles as the system cannot find the \i386 folder.

This would seem to me to be an on going problem now SP3 has been installed on both my systems, as how would I:
 
  • Run SFC Scannow if need be
  • Do a system repair or complete Windows Restore without a slipstreamed Windows OS

I will however call in at my IT shop and put the question to Chris taking both Windows XP/SP2 CD's with me so he can see them and give his opinion as to whether SP3 can be slipstreamed to get me out of future troubles if they occur.

The fax service is a minor thing for me really, but I like the challenge of getting it up and running, but to no avail. in my case.  If Chris tells me both computers can be slipstreamed after looking at the contents of the CD's, I will get him to look at the fax installation problem at the same time.

Thanks again for your efforts here, I will also get Chris to do the slipstreaming if it is possible.



   



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Re: ? For the not so knowledged....
« Reply #12 on: May 17, 2008, 12:42:38 AM »
Sounds like the system isn't looking in the right place.  I'd try looking at things, but I've trashed most of my Windows XP CDs as I've completely migrated to Windows Vista, and I think I know where one is, but I have to go looking for it.  Or, I just find something at work, I'm sure we have it somewhere. ;)

Please let me know how things go with your discussion with Chris.  I'll hold off on digging further until then.

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« Reply #13 on: May 17, 2008, 01:08:43 AM »
Thanks Aaron,

It is Saturday here, Chris does not work today so I will go on Monday and get one of the Technicians at Colmac to see if the D:\i386 Folder is hiding on either or both the OS's.

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« Reply #14 on: May 17, 2008, 05:26:58 AM »
Hi Aaron,

I hope I am not being a nuisance here. I took the D:\ away and found (32) i386 folders on each computer when initiating a search!

How about if I take both Windows XP/SP2 CD's to Chris and ask him to make me two slipstream CD's, one for each system.  Would that work do you think, or would be have to have the systems on his bench to do it?

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