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@ripley Re: Trackball
« on: December 25, 2005, 12:19:31 PM »
Hi, ripley.  I tried responding to your inquiry at Aaron's "Manage Your PC.com" but am getting an error message.  So, rather than keeping you waiting, your post at MYPC.com reads:

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   Am I the only one using a Trackball?
Used a corded Trackman Marble FX for years (uses finger manipulation not thumb), on my 6 year old computer and just got a new PC w/ a mouse of course. So, I've been using this new mouse for awhile now and it's so ackward!
Of course, this trackball doesn't have a USB connector, so I'm at a crossroads.
Stick with the mouse or go back to trackball? I don't play alot of games, so that's not an issue.
So am I the only trackball fanatic?

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Hi, ripley.  Welcome to MYPC.com.  You never know who you'll find, do ya?  :)

After many, many years of keyboarding, I have ergonomic issues and need to be very careful with positioning my wrists and hands.  I also used a trackball for many years.  My problem with the mouse was that I clutched it too tightly, moved my whole arm instead of keeping my wrist straight and gently moving the mouse. 

If you have a "plain Jane" mouse, you may have more problems adjusting to it after using the Trackman Marble.  You can get a converter so your trackball will connect to a USB port.  However, if the mouse has programmable buttons, you may find it more effective than the old trackball.  I am completely converted from trackball to my new Logitech Cordless Desktop LX700.  Because it has so many features, I find I am not doing heavy "mousing", which has been good ergonomically for me.


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Re: @ripley Re: Trackball
« Reply #1 on: December 25, 2005, 02:04:03 PM »
Was wondering why I wasn't getting any replies over there...thnx for grabbing me/my post.  :flowers:
Since it wasn't "security" related, I thought I'd post there...but was thinking it must be quite a lowly issue w/ no responses.   :(
However, I'd love to hear how people are using their input devices and the types.
Being ergonomically minded myself...I think that's a big factor for people on the computer X hours/day.
The new mouse is a plain jane w/ no programmable buttons, which I would want.
The model you are using looks wonderful!  Can't imagine having 2-handed internet navigation like it has.
This is definately a good time to check all the options.

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Re: @ripley Re: Trackball
« Reply #2 on: December 27, 2005, 08:57:02 PM »
I heard that [username] has been using a trackball for years too. Still wondering what everone else is using...






(I just had to use that "Insert viewers name" again   :tease:  )


 



 




 

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Re: @ripley Re: Trackball
« Reply #3 on: December 28, 2005, 12:46:05 AM »
:lol:  That uname BBCode does throw people for a loop. 

What I would suggest is that you stop in at a local shop (or two) that sells input devices.  Try a variety of different mice/trackballs and keyboads as well.  I am definitely sold on my wireless set, that's for sure.  Much of it is personal preference since few people are cognizant of the ergonomic factors involved.

Not to be personal, but do you have ergonomic issues with your wrist(s), thumb, shoulder, etc?  Do you keep your wrist straight while mousing (regardless of which device you use)?  Know a good test?  Straighten your hand so that there are no "wrinkles" in your wrist.  Put a piece of tape (i.e., Scotch brand mending tape) across your wrist (slightly extending from your arm to your palm).  Then use your mouse/trackball but try to keep the tape from wrinkling.  Lift the mouse with your hand to move the pointer, don't "twist" your wrist when moving the mouse.  The object is to keep your wrist as stationary as possible.
 


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Re: @ripley Re: Trackball
« Reply #4 on: December 28, 2005, 03:05:40 AM »
yep i used one for years, but finally went back to a good mouse !

i had a original IBM keyboard with a nice trackball , but i just wore it out! (was metal and just plastic keycaps) and it clicked with real switches

i liked the adjustments i could do on sensitivity as i had a problem for a year or so where could not use a mouse and get it anywhere where i wanted it, let alone click and drag !

now i use a good laser 3 button mouse and like it !!!
never have to clean a ball ( with a laser mouse it is a mouse that went to the vet... "no balls")

and i do not need a mousepad as the laser will see the changes
and with the 3 button mouse i can do all one handed now ! scroll right and left click ,
so i know you had to clean the trackball and you might think of getting a good 3 button mouse with a ps2 connector and use it for a week and might like it ???
you are on XP? and the MS mouse will even make an adjustment so it does not have to be pointing straight up !
my mouse sits at about a 45 degree angle and i can move it up and down and tracks up and down on the screen ;-)

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Re: @ripley Re: Trackball
« Reply #5 on: December 29, 2005, 01:55:47 PM »
Mitch,
Helpful to hear a trackball user switched to a laser mouse and likes it.  I think I'm going to take Corrine's suggestion of trying different input devices at stores.  It's hard for my brain to get around a verbal description of how these input devices work differently in actual use.
My fav part though of your post was

never have to clean a ball ( with a laser mouse it is a mouse that went to the vet... "no balls")

I had to write that one down to use later!

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Re: @ripley Re: Trackball
« Reply #6 on: December 29, 2005, 02:31:52 PM »
Corrine,
Definately going to check out some stores and see how these all work differently.

Not to be personal, but do you have ergonomic issues with your wrist(s), thumb, shoulder, etc?  Do you keep your wrist straight while mousing (regardless of which device you use)?   

No issues w/ my upper extremities personally.  Actually, I do ergonomic modifications as part of my rehabilitation consulting business.  That was a good test w/ the tape!  It's easy to get into poor repetitive habits w/ computer use and end up w/ wrist/finger pain or numbness.

So for me, it's more about finding a device that I'm comfortable w/ that's not the standard corded mouse that comes w/ most computers.

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Re: @ripley Re: Trackball
« Reply #7 on: December 29, 2005, 04:29:58 PM »
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Actually, I do ergonomic modifications as part of my rehabilitation consulting business.
One of varied duties I perform at work includes ergonomic reviews/modifications for the staff in our organization.  Although I respond to people with issues, our goal is to be proactive rather than reactive.  So far, the concensus is that it has helped tremendously to essentially eliminate absenses due to ergonomic issues.


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Re: @ripley Re: Trackball
« Reply #8 on: December 29, 2005, 08:13:39 PM »
One of varied duties I perform at work includes ergonomic reviews/modifications for the staff in our organization.  Although I respond to people with issues, our goal is to be proactive rather than reactive.  So far, the concensus is that it has helped tremendously to essentially eliminate absenses due to ergonomic issues.

Absolutely!
Bottom line it's alot more cost effective to have an ergonomically correct computer set-up,
for businesses/employees, to spend alittle more on the upfront than to have absenses or loss of productivity due to some kind of repetitive injury like carpel tunnel syndrome or a tendonitis.
Or even as important, if you sustain some other, "unrelated to computer use injury", like a motor vehicle accident or sport injury and you engage in prolonged computer activity while you are healing, ergonomics is especially important.
And same goes for home users, that are on the computer alot.  Not only use of input devices, but correct postioning of the spine...including the neck.

So all you forum readers out there...
Is your back straight, w/ lumbar support?     :soapboax:
Are your arms/knees at relaxed 45 degree angles?     :soapboax:
Is your wrist held flat and relaxed when you are keyboarding and "mousing"?     :soapboax:


Corrine...you go girl!  And keep preaching that ergonomics stuff...that is if you have the budget to be creative.   :wink:

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Re: @ripley Re: Trackball
« Reply #9 on: December 29, 2005, 09:54:47 PM »
Creative?  Sure. 

Don't have money for a footrest?  Go scrounging in the cast-off supply cabinet and get a large 3-ring notebook.  It will work almost as well as a fancy footrest.  It works at home too.

What about the tall folks out there who find they are towering above the monitor?  Have a tower instead of "pizza box" case?  Don't have monitor stackers?  Try a ream of paper (Any size will do -- Europeans can use A4 if they prefer instead of 8 1/2 X 11 :lol: ).

Unless you wear bifocals, the top of the computer screen should be just about level with your eyebrows (otherwise, lower is generally better).  So, if you are "height impared" as I am, get that monitor OFF of the box.  If necessary, tilt it down somewhat so you can look straight ahead at the screen.

The important thing to remember is that cummulative trama disorders are that -- cummulative over a period of time, generally caused by repetitive motion.  As a result, since it takes time for damage to be done, it also takes time to heal.  We use our hands/wrists for more than keyboarding.  Consider hammering, opening jars, carrying sacks of groceries, gardening, reaching for a book on a top shelf, lifting a cast iron frypan . . . all those actions involve the hands & wrists.  When possible, use two hands for lifting down a book or lifting up a heavy pan. 

This is a great site that I hope LzD members will check out:  http://ergo.human.cornell.edu/ErgoTips2002/home.html

Looks like we have a common passion, ripley.  :thumbsup:


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Re: @ripley Re: Trackball
« Reply #10 on: December 29, 2005, 10:45:12 PM »
Yup, been there, done that.
I can't tell you how many interesting "solutions" you can come up w/ by scrounging around a work or home environment to get a more ergonomic computer area...like your idea of A4 ream of paper!  :lol:
While we're at it here are 2 other sites to check out if there are questions or possible early warning signs (intermittment symptoms of pain, numbness, tingling...) that people might be experiencing.
This first one has a section called Work Process (option left side of page) which is good to check out for taking breaks, stretches, etc.
http://www.osha.gov/SLTC/etools/computerworkstations/ 

The second has similiar info, but I like it cuz it has a section specifically addressing laptop issues.
http://www.cdc.gov/od/ohs/Ergonomics/compergo.htm  

Now, more back on topic...if I can only figure out what I want to be using.  Trackball or cordless/laser mouse.  Still exploring.                                                   

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Re: @ripley Re: Trackball
« Reply #11 on: December 29, 2005, 11:01:11 PM »
:lol:  Sorry, I thread-napped your topic.  Good modding getting it back to the issue.  Have you been to any shops yet? 


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Re: @ripley Re: Trackball
« Reply #12 on: December 29, 2005, 11:27:01 PM »
No problemo at all...kinda liked the deviation.  I consult w/ WAY too many surgeons and clients w/ cummulative trauma injuries to not give some attention to ergonomics.  Choosing the trackball in the first place was for ergonomic reasons.

Time (and weather...kinda snowy where I am in the frozen tundra) hasn't permitted any computer store exploring yet, but I am anxious to check some of these input options out ( was there a pun there?)   :tease:

So glad you suggested "hands-on" at a store...(why didn't I think of that?) cuz I'm so used to checking things out online, and some people's brains just need the "hands-on" approach.  :arrow:

Like me.  :roll:

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Re: @ripley Re: Trackball
« Reply #13 on: December 30, 2005, 10:35:42 AM »
I'm not sure about the pun but do agree that the "hands-on" approach is best to "check some of these input options out".   :tease:


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Re: @ripley Re: Trackball
« Reply #14 on: December 31, 2005, 11:56:45 AM »
Ditto.   :lol: