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Offline johnson55

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Keeping xp alive
« on: March 19, 2014, 02:42:45 PM »
I have an old XP computer that still works but is slow.
Would it be beneficial to put my recovery disc in even if I used it off line
for printing pictures and other stuff.
Also can their be another system to download and still get some kind
of security and protection? Or is it just a wild idea?

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Re: Keeping xp alive
« Reply #1 on: March 19, 2014, 04:54:56 PM »
I see no reason to be worried in continuing to use it provided you have a good antivirus and Mbam Pro Installed.
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Re: Keeping xp alive
« Reply #2 on: March 19, 2014, 05:16:21 PM »
Further to what Mike said, you do need to consider that Windows XP is 13 years old.  Realize that it isn't only that there will be no further Microsoft security updates after April 8, 2014, but also that the hardware is getting old.  Thus, even if you are not in a position to replace it yet, if you don't have a newer computer, I'd advise you to put money away toward a replacement.

If you have a second, supported system, it would be best to take the computer offline.  However, if you must use Windows XP, keep in mind that IE will not be receiving updates either.  Thus, consider using Firefox with NoScript and Adblock Plus

WinPatrol will be helpful in monitoring any system changes.  See information about the latest update (lifetime license $2 for Windows XP users) here:  WinPatrol 2014 - 30.5

You may also find this article by Susan Bradley helpful:  Securing XP PCs after Microsoft drops support


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Re: Keeping xp alive
« Reply #3 on: March 19, 2014, 05:42:11 PM »
Thanks both of you for your advice

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Re: Keeping xp alive
« Reply #4 on: March 20, 2014, 12:52:00 PM »
I see no reason to be worried in continuing to use it provided you have a good antivirus and Mbam Pro Installed.
The problem there is several of the major anti-malware makers have already announced they will end support when, or shortly after Microsoft does. This is because their products rely on a fully patched and updated operating system.

The best advice I can give is the same as given by Susan, and Norton. That is, when Microsoft ends support, stop using it! Or at the very least, block Internet access (as Susan explains, and/or via router settings) so that machine does not become a threat to the rest of us.

I have re-purposed my youngest XP system as a NAS and use it as a backup server that is blocked via my router from Internet access. I recommend everyone do the same.
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Re: Keeping xp alive
« Reply #5 on: March 22, 2014, 04:08:20 PM »
I see no reason to be worried in continuing to use it provided you have a good antivirus and Mbam Pro Installed.
The problem there is several of the major anti-malware makers have already announced they will end support when, or shortly after Microsoft does. This is because their products rely on a fully patched and updated operating system.

The best advice I can give is the same as given by Susan, and Norton. That is, when Microsoft ends support, stop using it! Or at the very least, block Internet access (as Susan explains, and/or via router settings) so that machine does not become a threat to the rest of us.

I have re-purposed my youngest XP system as a NAS and use it as a backup server that is blocked via my router from Internet access. I recommend everyone do the same.

Each to their own view, of course  But I think that is all overkill. Many vendors of antivirus/malware protection will continue, due to the huge number of business machines that will continue to use XP as well as home users.  What is important is to give best practical advice to users especially as many will not be in any financial situation to rush out and buy new machines. Best to keep the advice realistic for the benefit of folk in that situation. all of course IMHO
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Re: Keeping xp alive
« Reply #6 on: March 22, 2014, 06:15:00 PM »
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Each to their own view, of course  But I think that is all overkill.
??? You believe what is overkill? It is not my "view" several anti-malware makers announced their XP support will end sometime after April 8 - they did announce it - and they cited the reason I gave, that their products depend on a fully updated and patched OS. Sure, their support will not end on April 8th, just like XP will not stop working on April 8th. But it will end when they cannot protect an unpatched XP vulnerability. And none of us know how soon or how far away that may be. You cannot say it will be a long time anymore than I can say it will be April 9. And certainly, Norton, McAfee, Avira and the others will not know either, not until that "zero-day" comes. Then what? Another last minute scramble due to poor planning?

And it is not my "view" badguys are hording a cache of newly developed malware to exploit already discovered but unreported XP vulnerabilities - ready to unleash on XP users after April 8. That too is a fact widely published including by ComputerWorld and Lumension, "Anyone still on the OS can expect an onslaught of malware after April 8th, 2014."

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What is important is to give best practical advice
Which I, Susan, and Norton did. That is stop using XP or at least isolate it from Internet access. Why? If for no other reason than to keep you from becoming a threat to others!
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especially as many will not be in any financial situation to rush out and buy new machines.

Best to keep the advice realistic for the benefit of folk in that situation. all of course IMHO

Rush??? :( Come on, Mike! It was widely announced over 5 years ago April 8, 2014 was coming! 5 years!!! And it has been announced and re-announced countless times since.

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many will not be in any financial situation to rush out and buy new machines
With 5 years notice, it's a rush? No! While I truly sympathize for the less fortunate, the time for sympathy is over. XP systems are (or soon will be) a threat to others and it is time, once again, to be responsible netizens. "Poor planning on YOUR part does NOT constitute an emergency on mine."

As for costs, 5 years is plenty of time for even the tightest of budgets to prepare. I note a brand new Windows 8 Notebook can be had for $300, or a refurbished PC with W7 or W8 for well less than $200!

And to that, financial situations are lame excuses when there are several capable and "FREE" Linux alternatives they can use instead of XP that are perfectly suitable for creating Word docs, doing on-line banking, and other "necessary" tasks. Playing games, listening to music are not necessary tasks.

XP - UNDENIABLY great in its day - but is it time to stop coddling its users; XP should be allowed to die with grace and dignity. Do not wait until it is too late and all your data is lost or held hostage, or worse, your machine is compromised, used against the rest of us as a spamming machine, to distributing malware, or as a zombie in a DDoS attack.

Realistic practical advice??? Absolutely! I agree. If still using XP on April 8, 2014,
  • Disconnect from the Internet, or stop using Internet connected XP systems after April 8th,
  • Upgrade to a modern, more secure Windows operating system,
  • If your legacy hardware does not support a modern version of Windows, remove XP and install Linux,
  • Buy a new computer with a modern operating system.
Just don't keep using XP with an Internet connected computer and assume you are safe, or that you are not a threat to others. That is not doing yourself, your family or the other users of your computer (or your network) any favors.

I don't care how sharp or learned a security expert a XP user may be. You are only as good as your tools, regardless your discipline.

And for what it's worth, potentially exposing other Internet users to potentially compromised systems may be considered poor Internet user etiquette. I know that is not a concern for many, but I think as help providers, "consideration of other Internet users" is something we need to stress - especially as it applies to security.
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Re: Keeping xp alive
« Reply #7 on: March 22, 2014, 06:28:03 PM »
I have no intention of getting in to an argument or long winded posts with you. I am a practical guy who will continue to help those folk that cant afford a new machine. end of discussion from me.
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« Reply #8 on: March 22, 2014, 07:03:10 PM »
:( I am not here to argue. I am just debating facts. And they are, any (1) "rush" is self-imposed due to lack of any action - not advanced notice. And most importantly (2) Linux works on just about any XP hardware, is secure, and is "free". So "can't afford a new machine" is immaterial.

I am all for being practical - that's exactly why I am all for re-purposing legacy hardware and why I re-purposed my XP machine, at no cost, as an external drive/NAS/backup server. No wasting money buying a new one. I recommend others do the same.

You stated my post was "all overkill". If not willing to defend your comments, it might be best not to make them.
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Re: Keeping xp alive
« Reply #9 on: March 22, 2014, 10:49:06 PM »
Although Windows XP is 13 years old, the end of sales date was June 30, 2008.   That was about 1.5 years after Windows Vista was RTM.  Based on the reputation of Windows Vista, it is not surprising that in the interim many people and businesses purchased Windows XP.  With my current laptop (originally Windows Vista, now Windows 7) almost 6 years old, I can see how there are computers running Windows XP that still have a lot of life left.

Certainly, I know that a 6 year old laptop will likely need to be replaced sooner rather than later.  However, real life being what it is, does not necessarily make that a possibility in the near future. 

Granted, we are and have long been well aware of the end of support for Windows XP.  However, not everyone reads my second Tuesday of the month security update blog post, which has included a reminder of the end of Windows XP support since last July, nor do they hang out at forums like this or follow the Microsoft Security Blog. 

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I have re-purposed my youngest XP system as a NAS and use it as a backup server that is blocked via my router from Internet access. I recommend everyone do the same.

I don't have a computer to do this with, but even if I did, I wouldn't have the foggiest clue how to go about it, which, I am certain, would be the same position most of the people we help would be in.

All of this is not to say that I don't agree that it is important to retire Windows XP machines ASAP.  Anyone interested in Linux is encouraged to check out Bruno's Classroom at Scot's Newsletter Forums.  (Note:  all registrations are vetted so there is a delay after registering for account approval.)  LilBambi is a member here at LandzDown and can also be called on for help with Linux questions.


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Re: Keeping xp alive
« Reply #10 on: March 23, 2014, 02:06:11 AM »
Howdy folks!  :mitch:

XP to Linux is great. I have been dual-booting between Windows XP and Linux on my laptop for years. Now I will continue to use Windows XP OFFLINE ONLY after April 8th, and continue using my Debian Wheezy Linux install on the other side of my dual-boot Sony Vaio laptop.

I have another laptop that used to have Vista on it but I don't have the HP install for it and I put Debian Wheezy on that.

I also have a Windows XP VirtualBox running on my Mac that will be OFFLINE ONLY come April 8th.

Lots of new beginners really enjoy Ubuntu on their devices. I used to play with Ubuntu but don't any longer since I have found what works best on my hardware.

Each person has to find what works best for them and their hardware.

I do also really like Linux Mint and it has all the cool stuff already built in that people want.

As Corrine mentioned, you may also want to check out Bruno's Classroom at Scot's Newsletter Forums.

If you are already using many cross platform things like Mozilla Firefox, Thunderbird, Google Chrome (I use Google Chrome in Linux so I don't have to worry about installing Flash), LibreOffice or OpenOffice.org, you will not miss a beat when you go to Linux.
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Re: Keeping xp alive
« Reply #11 on: March 23, 2014, 02:48:53 PM »
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I don't have a computer to do this with, but even if I did, I wouldn't have the foggiest clue how to go about it
Sure you do! If you open up file sharing on this repurposed system, your networked computers can then view, create, modify and save files on this old machine - and you have created a "basic" backup server you can access via Windows Explorer. I simply drag and drop a copy of my entire Documents folder to the shared drive for an instant backup of all my data. Simple and quick - and no special NAS software to install.
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Re: Keeping xp alive
« Reply #12 on: March 23, 2014, 03:27:09 PM »
This has been interesting,
A lot of information for me to swallow.
 If I decided to download Linux would I go to Linux.com or what? Sounds like a dumb question but I've no idea. Would a person want to get rid of the windows on the XP
or just keep it for a backup situation? And Ubuntu is that just a version of the many
Linux has? If I understood Linux users why haven't all XP user gone now to Linux?
A lot of questions but I would like some knowledge on this.

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Re: Keeping xp alive
« Reply #13 on: March 23, 2014, 04:19:49 PM »
RC posted a good link in your other topic

I would highly recommend looking at this very light weight, and user friendly distro. I have been impressed with what I see. It's not heavily loaded with programs but covers all the necessities nicely. It is available as a live dvd so it's super easy to burn it, and run the live dvd. In fact I plan to do that for some of my friends so they still have their windows XP as it was. This will be a good way to get them trying it out as they feel comfortable with it. Then there's the options to dual boot, or wipe XP.
Check out
www.linuxliteos.com

You could then install this and keep XP in a dual boot situation if you like linux lite you can always remove XP later or of course do a clean install of linux.
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Re: Keeping xp alive
« Reply #14 on: March 23, 2014, 05:28:39 PM »
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If I understood Linux users why haven't all XP user gone now to Linux?
Setting aside the natural fact humans generally like the status quo, and don't like adjusting to change (even if obvious things would be better after the change), many users never switched to Linux for the same reason many of us never switched to Vista from XP - XP is a great operating systems that, for most people, still "works". And by "works", I mean it does very well, the "basic" chores required of any operating system and that is, set up and facilitate "communications" between the various major components in a computer system: CPU, chipset, memory, storage, graphics, networking, and of course, user I/O. Note "security" is not in that list. :blink:

It is for modern operating systems.

I note the major reason Windows 8 has done poorly is because MS wanted to force change on us - with an ENTIRELY new UI. Too bad they didn't learn that before and now are backtracking with 8.1 Update 1.

Back to the fact XP does setup communications properly (at least on XP era hardware), and because MS is (for a few more days anyway) providing security updates, many people feel the hassles learning a new OS is not necessary - especially if their favorite software (game?) may not work.

Plus many people don't like to dink with something that is working, for fear they will break it.   

Sadly, learning a different OS (Linux) or an updated Windows OS has now become necessary because of security - which fortunately is now a major core component of modern operating systems.
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Would a person want to get rid of the windows on the XP
or just keep it for a backup situation?
I agree with Mike - a dual boot setup would be good while learning. While it takes little time to install an OS, it can take weeks to tweak and install the OS and all the programs we want. Why call it a PC if you can't make it "personal".


 
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