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Offline zumlif

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« on: November 26, 2006, 08:51:05 AM »
I have read so much about Linux that I thought I would like to try it. I thought i could find a Linux site on Google and download. What a hope!! I am not exactly computer illiterate but I am not a "geek" either. I found the Linux sites utterly confusing with all kinds of provisos and options. It seems that I was mistaken in thinking that I could download some files and then set up. The files I downloaded didn't make sense. Most of them had files which Windows couldn't or wouldn't open. One of them-ubuntu-produced a dvd maker. I don't have dvd. Another gave me a CD creation set up which I used but when I came to run the cd it produced just a repetition of the cd setup. I notice some contributers are very happy with Linux. Perhaps one of them could tell me how to get going. I have XP, SP2, 2.4g, 512 ram, 40 and 80 hdds. :help:

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Re: Linux
« Reply #1 on: November 26, 2006, 09:06:33 AM »
I thought I should ask the Phantom Phixer to come over and offer his suggestions :)

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Re: Linux
« Reply #2 on: November 26, 2006, 11:50:02 AM »
Hi, zumlif. 

Andy is correct, I'm sure Mitch will have suggestions on how to start out. 

In addition, the "All About Linux" forum at Scot's Newsletter Forum has a lot of helpful information.  Bruno really knows his stuff when it comes to Linux.  (Note:  Due to the onslaught of spam bots hitting Scot's Newsletter Forum, we are manually vetting and then validating new members.  As a result, the queue can get a bit long.  So, if you decide to register at Scot's, send me a PM here with your nickname and I'll validate your account.)


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Re: Linux
« Reply #3 on: November 26, 2006, 01:32:27 PM »
hi
i am not a super geek and wanted to play with linux about a year ago
there are several distro's as you have found

i personally think that Ubuntu is the easiest one out there !

you can download a iso and burn it to a cd, or you can have them send you the disk for free ! ( takes about a month)

you can run it as a "live cd" and NOTHING is written on your system !!! it uses the memory and the cd so you can play with it, but anything you do will be lost as it is not written anwhere.

one of the troubles of linus in general is dialup ! linux doesn't like winmodems or softmodems but works fine on a hardware modem !

so i just got a external modem and use the serial port on my computer and works great !

now i have a buddy that just installed Ubuntu and he is working on a quick webpage about it, but it is in beta, i will talk to him and see if he will post it here !

don't know your skill level but what i did was just get another hard drive and have Ubuntu on it and can plug in a XP drive or Ubuntu drive and boot up in that system . i have version 6.06 ( most stable release) running good on a 6 gig hard drive !

my buddy just put in a rack mount and also just swaps drives, i have seen so many war stories about dual boot systems and a slight problem and both get crashed

now i have my system set up almost like a XP system and ALL the software is 100% free.
Ubunbtu can install most linux stuff with ease some you need to know a few command line things ;-(

but on their forum you can just "copy and paste" them in the terminal

U comes with Firefox/Thunderbird/open office/gimp (image edit) and a few others
and also you can easily  download (free of course) K3b a great cd burning program like nero, firestarter ( a firewall manager, and avast free linux

so i will send a mail to my buddy and see if he will post his "under construction" page so you can go to the right areas to d/l or order ok?

you have a semi windows screen and if you go to add/remove applications there are a few thousand available

right out of the box the linux had all network ports blocked or stealthed, but using firestarter i passed grc's test and all stealth with ease !

and linux works fine on a network !

mitch
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Re: Linux
« Reply #4 on: November 26, 2006, 01:46:10 PM »
Quote from: Mitch
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Re: Linux
« Reply #5 on: November 26, 2006, 05:47:40 PM »
hi zumlif,
here is the link to my web page but i must warn you, its just a rough draft and not much info except the links for the download and to order the cd's. if your on dialup call in an 'iou' from a friend w/hi-speed and download it or order the cd's. i asked for 5 and got 5 8)
when your Linux desktop comes up click on 'applications, and 'places' and 'system' to see what all is there, its amazing. i could get into a long litniy (sp) as to what all is there  but enjoy the fun of exploring around and remember nothing is saved once you pull the cd.
http://www.bbusa.net/ghost1/Linux.html
sorry there isnt more info but im quite busy right now with business and trying to get up the steps for installing Firefox2 and Linux. There will be much more on Linux in the near future which will include screenshots and info on alot of the soft that comes with it. One thing, do not click on the install icon on the Linux desktop unless you fully intend to install Linux on the hd your using!
try it you'll like it :D

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Re: Linux
« Reply #6 on: November 26, 2006, 07:01:35 PM »
ok now that we have both posted a rosey picture of Ubuntu

there is one drawback to it
the default programs have to be 100% open source and no restricted software

so video and audo streaming on the net is a real bear !!!

you can use a linux version of realplayer, but WMP for linux is really kinda flaky so i on a dialup don't bother with streaming video or audio !
but it can be done
but it is nice not to have to worry about virus and such

see in linus you do all your work as a "user" not as admin!

so if you did pick up something ( not likely) the worse it could do is clobber your "home" file and not take linux down !
and in U they have a "updater" that will check for upgrades to the software you have and to the operating system .

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Re: Linux
« Reply #7 on: November 26, 2006, 08:36:19 PM »
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Re: Linux
« Reply #8 on: November 27, 2006, 03:48:49 PM »
Thank you everyone.
I have ordered a ubuntu cd and in the meantime I will try and get my ububtu download working. If it doesn't work I'll just have to be patient and wait. i have broadband so I don't anticipate any problems there.

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Re: Linux
« Reply #9 on: November 28, 2006, 02:49:21 PM »
hi zumlif,
how did the d/l go?

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Re: Linux
« Reply #10 on: December 13, 2006, 01:40:19 PM »
Apologies to all for not responding. I have had hard disk problems (see new posting)

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Re: Linux
« Reply #11 on: December 13, 2006, 09:24:06 PM »
:boat3: <--- :lol:

dunno anything about ubunto, but have heard good things about it.

fwiw, i've had pc linux os .93 on my pc for a couple o' months now.  (it's about to be upgraded to .93a)

it has the synaptic software manager that deals with finding up-to-date versions of currently running software and automatically installing it.  way cool.  you can also search in synaptic to try to find other programs you'd like! 

and the video options aren't bad, and one can watch dvd's too.

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Re: Linux
« Reply #12 on: December 14, 2006, 12:20:59 AM »
hi Temmu

yep U has synaptic also

i love it !

BUT it also has in applications a "add/remove" area and the end result for most things is the same but it is set up for a true newbie
i was running a different version of linux and found U and i really love it and about the only time i fire up XP is to do all the updates ;-D

they release a stable version 6.06  and then about every 6 months or so release  a current version that might have a few bugs ( like advanced beta) and they give support for the stable version "6.06 called dapper dan" for approx 3 years and the advanced version ( 6.10 called Edgy" for a year or so

the build is ran in USER so it protects the root and sys files, but if needed you can always "sudo" it

in add/remove they list the good and safe programs, but in synaptic i can install debs from anywhere  so it is pretty safe for a newbie ;-D
and you can add "firestarter" from add/remove and pass the GRC test with all stealth

you can d/l it or get them to mail you a cd and run it as a live cd and that is what sold me on it ;-D


i did some quick looking at pc Linux and looks like the same idea just a different flavor?
the thing that put me off for years was using terminal and command line, but don't do that much !and most if i have to is cut and paste as the support forum is great for making cut and past instructions when needed.
and i think both ways would be good and the stability is there now with these desktop versions they have !

the only thing i did was a external hardware modem as no high speed at home, and sure feel a lot safer on the web with Tux and his buddies
than i did with ms !

dose your distro have the auto update? i just did a 30 meg d/l on my dialup but have a new current kernal so love that and no one telling me i need to pay for the "new improved version"  don't know if you remember the old win 98 and then pay more money to get win98se that worked ;-D

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Re: Linux
« Reply #13 on: December 14, 2006, 04:16:10 PM »
hi, mitch,

the synaptic thingy has a "mark all upgrades" button, and if there are any, there's a "apply" button, and the download fun begins. 

when pc linux os .93a comes out (soon, "they" say), i'm not sure how that upgrade is to be applied.

and i'm still not sure why there are so many many distros of linux...

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Re: Linux
« Reply #14 on: December 14, 2006, 04:38:07 PM »
with U i can "check for updates" and it will list them for me
and the reason why i have to do that is i am on a dialup
so when i get a notice of a new update to open office and gimp at the same time i can pick and choose

if i did the mark all i would be busy for months on large downloads, now i can break them up and do about 20 meg at a time ;-D

i know what you mean about all the distro's out there
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some of the "purest" want it to stay simple but with kde and others they have made it so you don't have to be a "hard core geek" to use it and think that is will what make it more popular !!!
the U version i think is ready for anyone that has played with windows for a bit but still i don't think i culd recommend it as a only os !!!!

and i do love looking at the forums and you can spot a newbie when they ask where can i get a good a/v and firewall heheheh
i use a a/v that works on all os's and that is just in case i have a "senior moment" and don't want my windows friends to get something !

and when the distro's started to release "live cd's" that is a easy way to get folks hooked !!!!!
i had tried linux several years ago , but the command line and terminal and lack of gui's i gave up after a few days !

have you found a good backup program yet for linux? when i finish saving my coin and can get another disk drive i have 3 i am going to try