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Title: Microsoft Edge Take over......
Post by: hayc59 on March 17, 2020, 06:47:43 PM
Lately I have booted up my laptop to find out the settings I have with my own
theme which i like has been taken over by the edge formatt have to reboot to get back to my own
what is going on? thanks
Title: Re: Microsoft Edge Take over......
Post by: Corrine on March 17, 2020, 07:03:01 PM
What settings are you referring to? 

When I start Edge, it opens the tabs I've designated to open on startup.  To do that, click the 3 dots in the upper right corner, select Settings, select On startup.  From there, you have the option to have Edge open a new tab, continue where you left off or open specific page/pages.  I opened my desired pages to load on startup and then under "Open a specific page or pages" clicked "Use all open tabs".  Works perfectly for me.
Title: Re: Microsoft Edge Take over......
Post by: Digerati on March 17, 2020, 07:42:56 PM
Are you saying your Windows desktop theme has been taken over? Or your Edge theme is being changed?

Either way, I with Corrine here. I am not seeing any changes to any of my themes.

Is Edge your default browser?
Title: Re: Microsoft Edge Take over......
Post by: hayc59 on March 17, 2020, 11:55:05 PM
I am using Pale Moon
Title: Re: Microsoft Edge Take over......
Post by: Corrine on March 18, 2020, 12:41:35 AM
If you're using Pale Moon, I don't understand what that has to do with Edge. 
Title: Re: Microsoft Edge Take over......
Post by: Digerati on March 18, 2020, 01:25:15 PM
If you're using Pale Moon, I don't understand what that has to do with Edge.
Yeah, I'm confused too. And sadly, several questions were asked so we could get an understanding of this issue. But the only question answered was your default browser. :(

You know how it works, Gordon. You have to help us understand the problem so we can help you resolve it.
Title: Re: Microsoft Edge Take over......
Post by: hayc59 on March 18, 2020, 04:24:36 PM
ok I had windows seven on this laptop and downloaded and installed windows 10
I had my desktop with my theme and background with icons(recycle bin palemoon ect.) i have with what i liked in seven..copied over real cool

Now for the last three or four days, Microsoft edge has tried to take over when I boot up or have to do a reboot
all this crap pops up to log in and pick my favorite start menu and and start button,,then I have to look at the edge browser and all my folders are gone but there and taskbar is all freak out with all these icons and hate that!!

so whats the gig? after several three or four I get back to my wonderful desktop with a lion and cub and four icons and all my icons??
Title: Re: Microsoft Edge Take over......
Post by: Digerati on March 18, 2020, 05:14:35 PM
When did this problem start? That is, did you just upgrade to W10 3 or 4 days ago and the problem started right after the upgrade? Or has it been working fine with W10 for awhile?
Title: Re: Microsoft Edge Take over......
Post by: hayc59 on March 18, 2020, 05:17:29 PM
hello dig and it has just started a few days ago and upgraded to win 10 months ago
Title: Re: Microsoft Edge Take over......
Post by: Corrine on March 18, 2020, 05:17:44 PM
Could it be that Edge is in StartUp?  Easy to change with Task Manager.  See How To Remove Programs From Startup In Windows 10 (https://www.intowindows.com/how-to-remove-programs-from-startup-in-windows-10/).
Title: Re: Microsoft Edge Take over......
Post by: hayc59 on March 18, 2020, 05:26:23 PM
Corrine will check it out
Title: Re: Microsoft Edge Take over......
Post by: hayc59 on March 18, 2020, 05:33:15 PM
No it is not dang!! but there is another pain in my as^ that pops up sometimes especially now that edge is doing this
its called
Catalyst control center advanced micro device wants to update?? I always say no
can I disable that?
Title: Re: Microsoft Edge Take over......
Post by: hayc59 on March 18, 2020, 05:38:47 PM
In apps I do have edge in there and an option to remove it...that a good thing to do?
Title: Re: Microsoft Edge Take over......
Post by: Digerati on March 18, 2020, 05:46:59 PM
The Catalyst Control Center is for an AMD graphics card. It does not need to be running with Windows.

As for removing Edge, not sure I would. It does not say Beta by chance, does it?
Title: Re: Microsoft Edge Take over......
Post by: hayc59 on March 18, 2020, 05:52:50 PM
no beta bro! So I am good disabling the amd thang?
Title: Re: Microsoft Edge Take over......
Post by: hayc59 on March 18, 2020, 06:03:59 PM
found this might be a good way to stop it

Winaero
How to uninstall and remove the Edge browser in Windows 10

In Windows 10, Microsoft introduced a new browser called Microsoft Edge. It was created to replace Internet Explorer. Edge is positioned as a modern browser with support of all mainstream web standards. Microsoft implemented a new rendering engine for the browser, which stripped out a lot of legacy code. However, for many users, Microsoft Edge is not at all impressive. It lacks usability, comes without extensions support and it is a Modern/Universal app with many limitations. Its user interface is absolutely terrible and it has no configurable options at all compared to Internet Explorer's rich options. Many users think of Edge as a junk browser and want to remove Microsoft Edge from Windows 10. Today, I would like to share how it can be done.

Like any built-in Windows apps, Microsoft Edge has no option to get rid of it. To uninstall and remove the Edge browser in Windows 10, we need to refer to a third party tool. Follow the intructions below:

    Download the Uninstall Edge ZIP file I made to make it easy.
    Extract all files from the ZIP archive you downloaded to any desired folder, e.g. Desktop.
    Right click the Uninstall Edge.cmd file and select "Run as Administrator".
Title: Re: Microsoft Edge Take over......
Post by: Aaron Hulett on March 18, 2020, 06:11:17 PM
Now for the last three or four days, Microsoft edge has tried to take over when I boot up or have to do a reboot
all this crap pops up to log in and pick my favorite start menu and and start button,,then I have to look at the edge browser and all my folders are gone but there and taskbar is all freak out with all these icons and hate that!!

Can you elaborate on picking your favorite start menu and button, and where the folders are missing from? Those wouldn't generally be affected by Edge. Perhaps walk through the prompts you're seeing, and what they specifically say?

I'm thinking user profile issue, and then once in a while you log in and the profile loads correctly. Were there any recent updates that busted user profiles or anything along this line? I've honestly and sadly lost track of all the issues that seem to come with updates now.
Title: Re: Microsoft Edge Take over......
Post by: hayc59 on March 18, 2020, 06:18:12 PM
Hello Aaron!
When edge takes over my junk folder and palemoon icons are gone have to search for them
when the prompts go there if i can remember...log on to edge....pick fav start menu...choose start button ect ect..
then edge goes desktop only has two icons recycle bin and edge icon and that disgusting blue background
Title: Re: Microsoft Edge Take over......
Post by: hayc59 on March 18, 2020, 06:24:55 PM
Aaron think that reg tweak is safe from winero?
Title: Re: Microsoft Edge Take over......
Post by: Corrine on March 18, 2020, 06:31:29 PM
I don't know if I'd be able to spot the source of the problem but you could post FRST logs.
Title: Re: Microsoft Edge Take over......
Post by: Digerati on March 18, 2020, 06:52:22 PM
I see no reason to uninstall and remove Edge. As for disabling Catalyst, I no longer have an AMD card, but I always found Catalyst to be too intrusive and I just didn't let it run with Windows. I didn't uninstall it though.
Title: Re: Microsoft Edge Take over......
Post by: winchester73 on March 18, 2020, 07:31:09 PM
Do you have a link to that info you posted about Edge?  Reading what you quoted makes me think the author is talking about the old version of Edge, not the new Chromium based one (which is the one you installed).

"comes without extensions support" is obviously incorrect as I have extensions added to my Edge.
Title: Re: Microsoft Edge Take over......
Post by: Digerati on March 18, 2020, 08:10:42 PM
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"comes without extensions support" is obviously incorrect as I have extensions added to my Edge.
Gee whiz. I read right over that.

Yeah, that is totally inaccurate. It has extensive extension support. In fact, not only via the Microsoft Store, but Microsoft has even made a point of the fact that Edge now support Chromium extensions.

So yeah, do you have the current version of the "new" Edge (Chromium)? It should be Version 80.0.361.66.

This replaces the old version but because of its size, MS was rolling it out over time.

That said, even the old version should have given you these problems. Frankly, I suspect your problem is with Windows itself and not actually with Edge. That's why I don't think removing Edge is the solution.
Title: Re: Microsoft Edge Take over......
Post by: Corrine on March 18, 2020, 08:49:21 PM
I think Bill is right and the problem may just be with Windows.  It wouldn't hurt to run DISM, SFC and chkdsk.  In fact, it might not hurt to run DISM a couple of times.

Run Deployment Image Servicing and Management (DISM):
Code: [Select]
DISM /Online /Cleanup-Image /RestoreHealthWhen DISM finishes, you can then run SFC from the same command prompt but full instructions as if starting fresh:
Code: [Select]
sfc /scannow
Lastly, from the same command prompt, but full instructions as if starting fresh:
Code: [Select]
chkdsk C: /f
Title: Re: Microsoft Edge Take over......
Post by: Digerati on March 18, 2020, 08:58:32 PM
I should have said the old Edge should "not" have given your those problems. Either Corrine intentionally corrected for me, or her mind auto-corrected without her knowledge! ;)
Title: Re: Microsoft Edge Take over......
Post by: Aaron Hulett on March 18, 2020, 10:00:54 PM
Hello Aaron!
When edge takes over my junk folder and palemoon icons are gone have to search for them
when the prompts go there if i can remember...log on to edge....pick fav start menu...choose start button ect ect..
then edge goes desktop only has two icons recycle bin and edge icon and that disgusting blue background

Does it say you've been signed in with a temporary profile? This might be within the notifications history, because it's possible you're going through Edge's out of box experience, and then when that's done it throws you back to the desktop, where the notification already appeared and disappeared on its own.

@hayc59, what day did this start happening?

@Everyone else, what's a good way to check if an update dropped at that time, and then roll back to before that update appeared? This really feels like an user profile issue, because "only has two icons recycle bin and edge icon and that disgusting blue background" feels an awful lot like a default setup for a new user account. And then, after rebooting, maybe after a few times, the problem goes away, meaning the user profile loads properly. Thoughts?
Title: Re: Microsoft Edge Take over......
Post by: DR M on March 18, 2020, 11:41:11 PM
I had that awful experience Aaron described with the temporary profile!  :o

Actually you log in with a temporary profile instead of your normal profile.

C:\users\temp instead of c:\users\username

What fixed it:

Start button, click (or right click) on the profile icon, sign out and restart.
Title: Re: Microsoft Edge Take over......
Post by: hayc59 on March 19, 2020, 12:04:06 AM
Aaron  I do believe it was happening after the update of indows!
how do i shut that off unless I wish to update on my own..thanks
Title: Re: Microsoft Edge Take over......
Post by: Corrine on March 19, 2020, 12:17:08 AM
@hayc59, what day did this start happening?

@Everyone else, what's a good way to check if an update dropped at that time

Two places to check: 

1.  Settings > Update & Security > Windows Update > View Update History. 
2.  Control Panel > Programs > Uninstall a program
Title: Re: Microsoft Edge Take over......
Post by: hayc59 on March 19, 2020, 01:19:28 AM
How do i stop the updates?
Title: Re: Microsoft Edge Take over......
Post by: Corrine on March 19, 2020, 10:37:06 AM
G, you can pause Windows 10 updates but can't stop them.  With Windows 10 Home, under Windows Update > Advanced Options, updates can be paused for up to 35 days.
Title: Re: Microsoft Edge Take over......
Post by: Pete! on March 19, 2020, 12:36:57 PM
IMHO: What you're experiencing is NOT typical.
Once you guys figure out how to stop it, I really doubt that stopping updates is going to make a bit of difference.

Some people delay updates, to let other users test the update for bugs, or to ration metered connections, but in the case of security updates, it could come back to bite them.

Having said that, the anti-telemetry program "O&O ShutUp10" has a "not recommended" option to turn off updates. I've never used that option, so I cannot comment on its effectiveness nor consequences.
Title: Re: Microsoft Edge Take over......
Post by: Corrine on March 19, 2020, 01:21:28 PM
Bold added:
Some people delay updates, to let other users test the update for bugs, or to ration metered connections, but in the case of security updates, it could come back to bite them.
Without a doubt!
Title: Re: Microsoft Edge Take over......
Post by: Digerati on March 19, 2020, 01:26:46 PM
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Having said that, the anti-telemetry program
For the tin-foil hat wearers, 3rd party anti-telemetry programs might have been useful (well, comforting) for them 5 years ago when W10 first came out. But not today. Even though W10 and Microsoft never were the privacy threat many believed (or wanted us to believe) they were, as I noted above, Microsoft heard the message and not only do users have much more control over the information being collected (which is NOT personal or personally identifiable information) but they have provided the "Diagnostic Data Viewer" so we can see what data is being collected.

Again, we have MUCH MORE to worry about with Google, Facebook, our ISPs, and especially our cell phone carriers than we do with Microsoft. Frankly, I am WAY more worried about another Equifax or Yahoo type breach where my true name, Social Security, insurance, credit card, birth date, even passwords are actually being stolen (due to negligence and incompetence >:() than I am worried about Microsoft collecting data on how my Windows and Office programs are running.

I think it is important to note and remember that there are many MANY Microsoft haters, tin-foil hat wearers, naysayers, IT journalists, privacy advocates, security experts and watchdog groups constantly scrutinizing (and reporting - over and over again to a viral extent) everything that Microsoft does. If they really were stealing our sensitive information, it would be reported all over the place ad nauseum. And that is just not happening.
Title: Re: Microsoft Edge Take over......
Post by: hayc59 on March 19, 2020, 05:17:03 PM
thank you all for your support and Aaron was right when I got the updates its when the
profiles changed
I really wish I had the control to stop updates...could really care less about with what is going on today!!
Title: Re: Microsoft Edge Take over......
Post by: Digerati on March 19, 2020, 05:30:47 PM
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I really wish I had the control to stop updates...could really care less about with what is going on today!!
People don't care about keeping current backups either - until they wish they did.


100s of millions of users have no problems with updates. Of course it would be nice if no one ever had problems. But with over 900 million W10 systems out there, and virtually every single one a unique computer, with millions of different hardware combinations in millions of different configurations times millions of different software installation times millions of different software configurations, not to mention millions of different user personalizations and network setups, I think it amazing Microsoft has done so well to keep Windows Updates issues at such tiny numbers.
Title: Re: Microsoft Edge Take over......
Post by: hayc59 on March 19, 2020, 05:43:43 PM
I will take that...with a large grain of salt...lol
Title: Re: Microsoft Edge Take over......
Post by: Digerati on March 19, 2020, 05:56:02 PM
You don't think most Windows computers are uniquely configured? I assure you, except for corporate computers on some corporate networks, they are.

Two 100% identical Dell computers, for example, that come off the assembly line one after the other, and end up in different homes will become unique within minutes after they are booted up for the very first time. This happens as users configure their network connections and Internet access, set up user profiles, their own security software, installed programs, attached printers and external drives and more. And they become even more unique as time moves on.
Title: Re: Microsoft Edge Take over......
Post by: DR M on March 19, 2020, 06:09:35 PM
@hay59,

See the attachment. You see something similar when you log in?   

Question from Aaron: Does it say you've been signed in with a temporary profile?
Title: Re: Microsoft Edge Take over......
Post by: hayc59 on March 19, 2020, 07:44:30 PM
Dr. exact same thing after an update
Title: Re: Microsoft Edge Take over......
Post by: Aaron Hulett on March 19, 2020, 08:02:20 PM
Then the "fix" generally is to roll back the update, but... @Corrine, guidance on how to go about this? Or, maybe identify what updates installed and see if it's a known issue with workaround/fix?

For the fun of mentioning it, when I take feature updates, my user profile corrupts and I have to do some kung fu at the command line and then dive into the registry to fix it. Happens on two systems, one a Surface device. Happened on the last two feature updates - I delay their installation by 6 months, and other updates by 10 days... and yet, still broken. :P
Title: Re: Microsoft Edge Take over......
Post by: Corrine on March 19, 2020, 09:01:59 PM
@Corrine, guidance on how to go about this? Or, maybe identify what updates installed and see if it's a known issue with workaround/fix?

I haven't heard of any issues other than here and didn't find any via searching.  The update could be March 10, 2020—KB4540673 (OS Builds 18362.719 and 18363.719) (https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4540673) which applies to both Windows 10 Version 1903 and Version 1909 and included the following listed highlights:

Title: Re: Microsoft Edge Take over......
Post by: DR M on March 20, 2020, 07:32:42 AM
@hay59

As I said, I had the problem of logging in with a TEMP profile exactly 2 months ago.

What solved my problem, and it wouldn't hurt to try it too:

1. Sign out (see the attachment):

2. DISM and SFC and chkdsk

See what Corrine asked you to do here (https://www.landzdown.com/computer-problems-questions-and-solutions!/microsoft-edge-take-over/msg202484/#msg202484)

My opinion: Not a wise thought stopping or uninstalling updates.
Title: Re: Microsoft Edge Take over......
Post by: Pete! on March 20, 2020, 12:59:31 PM
@hay59

As I said, I had the problem of logging in with a TEMP profile exactly 2 months ago.

What solved my problem, and it wouldn't hurt to try it too:

1. Sign out (see the attachment):
  • Click on the Start button
  • Click on your profile icon/name
  • Click on sign out
  • Restart

2. DISM and SFC and chkdsk

See what Corrine asked you to do here (https://www.landzdown.com/computer-problems-questions-and-solutions!/microsoft-edge-take-over/msg202484/#msg202484)

My opinion: Not a wise thought stopping or uninstalling updates.
I agree.
If your screen looks like the picture posted by DR M on 3/19, that's NOT an Edge "takeover". That's a Windows 10 default background, with an icon for the default Windows 10 browser.

IMHO: You're having a login problem, not an Edge problem.
Title: Re: Microsoft Edge Take over......
Post by: winchester73 on March 20, 2020, 01:44:18 PM

IMHO: You're having a login problem, not an Edge problem.

Agreed.

Are there multiple profiles on this computer?

Settings > Accounts > Family & other people
Title: Re: Microsoft Edge Take over......
Post by: hayc59 on March 20, 2020, 04:43:56 PM
Ok whoa horsey...so much good info for an aging man to take in..LOL

@ winchester...only one profile (me)
@Corrine thank you
@Pete I am sure that is it!!
@Dr. will do as Corrine advised

I n closing for now it definitely happens after any update from Micro
I still believe that it should be my/our/your option when updates are taken in

thank you G
Title: Re: Microsoft Edge Take over......
Post by: DR M on March 20, 2020, 04:48:40 PM
FIRST SIGN OUT

THEN DO WHAT CORRINE SAID.


  :)
Title: Re: Microsoft Edge Take over......
Post by: hayc59 on March 20, 2020, 08:14:21 PM
all good now ad thank you ALL!!
Title: Re: Microsoft Edge Take over......
Post by: DR M on March 20, 2020, 08:25:57 PM
all good now ad thank you ALL!!

(https://i.imgur.com/wLPkDda.gif)
Title: Re: Microsoft Edge Take over......
Post by: Corrine on March 20, 2020, 09:00:33 PM
Whew!  I'm glad that problem was solved.  As to installing the security updates, you've spent enough years on the forums to know what happens when people don't keep their device updated.  It is one thing to delay the version upgrade but when there are critical security updates, I personally don't choose to wait.
Title: Re: Microsoft Edge Take over......
Post by: hayc59 on March 20, 2020, 10:59:28 PM
Whew!  I'm glad that problem was solved.  As to installing the security updates, you've spent enough years on the forums to know what happens when people don't keep their device updated.  It is one thing to delay the version upgrade but when there are critical security updates, I personally don't choose to wait.

Right on Sis
Title: Re: Microsoft Edge Take over......
Post by: Digerati on March 21, 2020, 02:06:19 PM
As to installing the security updates, you've spent enough years on the forums to know what happens when people don't keep their device updated.  It is one thing to delay the version upgrade but when there are critical security updates, I personally don't choose to wait.
I don't either. In fact, it is common for me on this, my primary computer, to check for and install any updates on Tuesdays, the day they traditionally are released.

I started doing this right away after migrating to Windows 10 primarily because I wanted to practice what I preached to my family and my clients. That is, "keep your operating systems current. That is a primary defense against the bad guys". I also wanted to install the updates first just in case there were problems - so I would be familiar with them (and how to fix them) should my clients call.

But as it was, problems didn't happen. Updates installed just fine. I didn't get any calls. Yes, over the years, there have been a couple (less than a handful) of hiccups. But worse case was fixed by a simple reboot.

Now I have encountered other computers that had problems after updates but what I discovered was those computers had many default settings that were changed by the user. They used 3rd party security programs, driver update utilities, and/or they dinked with virtual memory (page file) settings, and more. In many cases, those computers were older hardware - upgraded from W7. Hardware that often lacked solid W10 driver support from the HW maker.

Now I cannot and will not say those programs caused the problems, or that you will never have problems if you leave the defaults as Microsoft sets them. But it sure "seems", at least from here, that less problems occur if you just leave Windows alone. Contrary to what many want us to believe, the developers at Microsoft really are some pretty sharp people who know what they are doing. Not sure I can say that about the marketing folks, or some of the executive decisions made in Redmond, but the developers have done and are doing a good job.

[/Soap box]
Title: Re: Microsoft Edge Take over......
Post by: Pete! on March 21, 2020, 04:02:49 PM
I usually don't wait either. Corrine has been very good at announcing them in a timely manner, so I don't even have to wait for MS to offer it to me.

IMHO, once a fix for a vulnerability is announced, it's open season for badguys that didn't know about the vulnerability until it was revealed.

If there's a problem with the update, it's easy enough to reverse. I've only had to do that once since Win 10 came out, (there was a fix within a week).
Title: Re: Microsoft Edge Take over......
Post by: hayc59 on March 28, 2020, 03:57:56 PM
a small update...found a little ditty that I am/have researched for a week
and works rather well at disabling windows 10 updates

what do you think?

StopWinUpdates
https://www.wilderssecurity.com/threads/stopwinupdates-disable-windows-10-updates.403499/
Title: Re: Microsoft Edge Take over......
Post by: Digerati on March 28, 2020, 05:26:48 PM
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what do you think?

I think, unless a true security expert and a true Windows 10 expert and incapable of making a mistake, it is a bad idea to disable Windows Update. Period.

I also note the publisher's own description  (https://www.softpedia.com/publisher/BALTAGY-103511.html)of the program states it is for the purpose of preventing "the computer from automatically restarting itself while you're busy working on important projects". It was not created for users who just don't like Windows Update automatically installing updates, or because a Windows Update might break Windows.

And for the record, I have never, not once, ever had Windows Update reboot my computer while I was using it without warning AND without providing me the opportunity to postpone the reboot.

IMO, disabling Windows Update is like driving without a seatbelt using the excuse, "I might get trapped in a fire".

Title: Re: Microsoft Edge Take over......
Post by: Corrine on March 28, 2020, 06:03:52 PM
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what do you think?
And for the record, I have never, not once, ever had Windows Update reboot my computer while I was using it without warning AND without providing me the opportunity to postpone the reboot.

Plus, Windows 10 has the option to set "Active Hours":

 --   Open Settings.
 --   Click on Update & Security.
 --   Click the Change active hours option.
 --   Specify the time range you're usually working on your device.
 --   Note: The maximum amount of time you can set is 18 hours ...
 --   Click the Save button.
Title: Re: Microsoft Edge Take over......
Post by: DR M on April 13, 2020, 01:45:26 PM
This problem with the temporary profile, happened again to me today. Sign out and restart did the trick again.
Title: Re: Microsoft Edge Take over......
Post by: xrobwx71 on April 29, 2020, 05:27:33 PM
My little 2 pense: I echo Corrine's & Bill's sentiments on Windows Updates, they should never be turned off or even delayed unless you are in an Enterprise situation and want to test the update before deploying to the main server.
This event also occurs on my WIndows 10 computers, especially the ones where I have the Insider Preview turned on. After an update, Edge opens up with a "Take a look at the new Edge" message and a short button click tour if you want. I just red x it and move on.
Title: Re: Microsoft Edge Take over......
Post by: Digerati on April 29, 2020, 05:44:38 PM
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After an update, Edge opens up with a "Take a look at the new Edge" message and a short button click tour if you want. I just red x it and move on.
That certainly is not exclusive to Edge either. Other browsers will change my home page on first launch after a major update to show off new or improved features.