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Binary Outcast = Tobin and he can only moderate his own area plus his 'special' Off-Topic playground.

It doesn't matter. He's still a member of the staff there. Just because he can't moderate across the entire site does not mean it is okay to run roughshod over posters in the other forums.

The fact is, Liz was treated with undeserving disrespect with personal insults. That is simply wrong - especially from staff members.

As for DRM - that's irrelevant here too. It does not matter if PM supports DRM. What matters is (1) the error message gave no clue that it was a DRM issue, (2) there is nothing on the PM home page or readily accessible data saying that it does not support DRM, therefore it should not be expected to be common knowledge. And (3) and most importantly for this discussion here, those two members of the staff did not need to be so disrespectful. It was rude and uncalled for.

Make some allowances? I don't get why you keep making excuses for and are defending Tobin so vigorously. I guess he's a friend or something. That's fine. But he's pushing 8 years on that site with nearly 7,000 posts. He is not newbit. And he was selected by Moonchild to be a mod on that site despite you downplaying that role. And he joined that thread clearly to pounce on Liz - not to provide technical help in any manner. There was nothing right or just in how that was handled by them.

You can keep defending them. That's your right. But Liz was the one mistreated, not them.

Now I got a martini ready and need to fire up the grill. So I'm outta here. 

Moderate/mediate - do you understand either/both?

Of course I do. And yet I see no mediating going on in that PM thread - at least not by those who are supposed to moderate.

I'm defending no-one and everyone

Right - and reading back through this thread, I must have missed where you expressed an understanding of plodr's position too.  I missed where you said you understand why she felt there was a problem with PM playing some video files. And how you understood how the error message might lead one to believe the problem could be related to HTML5. Or why she might feel the staff there was being dismissive.

I guess I need more coffee this morning because reading through this thread again, I see where you excused Moonchild by saying he didn't have the time to test the issue before he told plodr to use her brain. I see where you excused Tobin because he is in the US and does not need a VPN. I see where you excused their behavior because things were "difficult/hectic/repetitive". I see where you excused Tobin because he is not a moderator of that specific forum. I see where you defended PM for not supporting built in pdf reading and DRM due to bloat. I just don't see any defense for Liz's position at all. But you say you defend "everyone" so it must be in there somewhere.

Oh well.

FTR, if Moonchild doesn't want to put DRM support in PM, that's fine. I'm really am perfectly okay with that. As you correctly noted, PM is a browser. It is not a media player. But since PM does support playing several other media formats, I think it would be good if they posted a list of media formats they do support, perhaps on their FAQ page rather than assume all users should automatically know it doesn't support DRM files - so they don't feel compelled to belittle them when they don't. Perhaps you could ask your friends over there to do that? Just a thought.

I'm moving on.
 

Looking at the PM forum, there are LOTS of new topics about video playing, perhaps that is a better place to continue a discussion.

I'm going to close this thread before it becomes as negative and disrepectful of us here at LzD as it is over there.

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