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Re: Windows 10 problem with getting updates
« Reply #45 on: October 17, 2017, 01:01:47 PM »
CBB (Current Business Branch) Updates merely provide the option to delay feature updates for up to 90 days.  This is intended for Enterprise and SMB (Small/Medium Businesses). 

As to testing the feature updates, what do you think the thousands of Windows Insiders are doing?  Version 1703 (Creators Update) was available April 11, 2017.  Windows Insiders began testing the changes for that release in August, 2016, within days of Version 1607 being released.  We had the final build for Version 1703 in March and began testing the changes for the Fall Creators Update Version 1709 (released today) on April 9, before 1703 was released and got the build for 1709 a couple weeks ago.


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Re: Windows 10 problem with getting updates
« Reply #46 on: October 17, 2017, 01:27:06 PM »
MS didn't change the CB and CBB update scenarios until July 2017. It is now the semi-annual channel.

"Microsoft has updated its servicing model. The Semi-Annual Channel is a twice-per-year feature update release targeting March and September, and 18-month servicing timelines for each release. The Semi-Annual Channel replaces the Current Branch (CB) and Current Branch for Business (CBB) concepts starting July 2017 with Windows 10, version 1703. This page is designed to help you determine if your devices are up to date with the latest Windows 10 feature and quality updates and to plan deployment schedules."

As you can see in the listing, CBB was still on version 1607.

https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/release-info.aspx

If it is changed to current branch the problem should be eliminated, as Current Branch is the same as the Semi-Annual channel.

If you go to the option to defer updates, it simply states this:

"Choose the branch readiness level to determine when feature updates are installed. Current Branch means the updates are ready for most people, and Current Branch for Business means it's ready for widespread use in organizations."

CBB and CB had different update cycles.

The changes were suppose to have been made, but it seems the CBB is still running behind. The semi-annual channel is suppose to replace both CB and CBB. CB and CBB are on two different servers, offering different update schedules.

Has the the upcoming Creators Update changed the deferred process, to the semi-annual process?

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Re: Windows 10 problem with getting updates
« Reply #47 on: October 17, 2017, 01:42:17 PM »
I chose the Business branch shortly after my upgrade from Windows 7 to Windows 10.  The reason: to let other people test new features before I got them.  That appears to be unnecessary.

I only selected the 8 days for deferred updates after the Creator version installed, because the option wasn't there before then.  As I mentioned, I thought that meant I would have 8 days to restart after updates delivered, not that updates would be delayed for 8 days.

Note: My initial problem wasn't that I wasn't getting updates in time, it was that updates were downloading, but failing to install.

So it sounds like I should just set everything to normal updating, since I apparently didn't quite understand the process adequately.

Should I wait till after tomorrow (8th day) before changing settings?

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Re: Windows 10 problem with getting updates
« Reply #48 on: October 17, 2017, 01:47:10 PM »
I chose the Business branch shortly after my upgrade from Windows 7 to Windows 10.  The reason: to let other people test new features before I got them.  That appears to be unnecessary.

I only selected the 8 days for deferred updates after the Creator version installed, because it wasn't there before then.  As I mentioned, I thought that meant I would have 8 days to restart after updates delivered, not that updates would be delayed for 8 days.

So it sounds like I should just set everything to normal updating, since I apparently didn't quite understand the process adequately.

Should I wait till after tomorrow (8th day) before changing settings?

I believe you can just change to current branch and still defer your updates as you would like. If you change it to Current Branch and put 0 days you should be able to get the current October updates. If you leave it at 0 you should receive your offer for the new Creators Update, when it it is available based on your system.

You may need to restart your system after making the changes. You can the wait or run a manual check for updates.

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Re: Windows 10 problem with getting updates
« Reply #49 on: October 17, 2017, 02:05:42 PM »
I'm confused now.  I already have the Creators update.  Are you saying there is another one?

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Re: Windows 10 problem with getting updates
« Reply #50 on: October 17, 2017, 02:08:58 PM »
I'm confused now.  I already have the Creators update.  Are you saying there is another one?

It's actually the Fall Creators Update released today.

http://www.landzdown.com/web-news/windows-10-fall-creators-update-available-worldwide-october-17-2017/msg195936/?topicseen#msg195936

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Re: Windows 10 problem with getting updates
« Reply #51 on: October 17, 2017, 02:14:59 PM »
Thank you!

And thanks to all for so patiently guiding me through these things that probably seem so obvious to all of you.

I will work on getting my settings changed today.

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Re: Windows 10 problem with getting updates
« Reply #52 on: October 17, 2017, 02:15:54 PM »
Thank you!

And thanks to all for so patiently guiding me through these things that probably seem so obvious to all of you.

Actually it wasn't obvious, had to research a bit ;)

Let us know if you receive your updates after making the changes.

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Re: Windows 10 problem with getting updates
« Reply #53 on: October 17, 2017, 05:26:21 PM »
Yes!  Once I changed the settings, I searched for updates and this came up and immediately started to download:

• 2017-10 Cumulative Update for Windows 10 Version 1703 for x64-based Systems (KB4041676)

Definition Update for Windows Defender - KB2267602 (Definition 1.253.876.0)


While it was downloading, I also made a system restore point.
After a while it also downloaded this:

• Windows Malicious Software Removal Tool for Windows 8, 8.1, 10 and Windows Server 2012, 2012 R2, 2016 x64 Edition - October 2017 (KB890830)



This now appears in my update history:
2017-10 Security Update for Adobe Flash Player for Windows 10 Version 1703 for x64-based Systems (KB4049179)
successfully installed: 10-17-2017

2017-10 Cumulative Update for Windows 10 Version 1703 for x64-based Systems (KB4041676)
successfully installed: 10-17-2017


The updates installed without incident and then was prompted to restart.   The computer rebooted normally.  But I noticed one thing different.   After I signed into the lockscreen,  instead of opening my blue desktop, I got a black screen for a while with a small white box in the upper left  titled "Personalized Settings". The box had no content other than the title.  It disappeared after a few seconds and my normal desktop started to load.   What was that box about?



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Re: Windows 10 problem with getting updates
« Reply #54 on: October 17, 2017, 05:39:53 PM »
Personalized settings is just keeping everything in order the way you have it setup, checking after the updates and before complete startup.

You can now defer the updates, if you choose. In the change active hours settings you can change the times to when you are usually using the computer and this will delay the restart. You also have restart options when you can give it a time and day to restart.

The issue you was having should be fixed in the Fall Creators Update.

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Re: Windows 10 problem with getting updates
« Reply #55 on: October 17, 2017, 05:57:26 PM »
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The issue you was having should be fixed in the Fall Creators Update.

What issue was that?  I thought y'all decided that my issue was that errantly I changed my settings. :)

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Re: Windows 10 problem with getting updates
« Reply #56 on: October 17, 2017, 06:11:32 PM »
I believe it was the settings.


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Re: Windows 10 problem with getting updates
« Reply #57 on: October 17, 2017, 06:22:11 PM »
Random thought...maybe that personalize settings box was cataloguing my update settings changes?


My question was because I wasn't getting how the fall creator update was going to fix something I did to myself.