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Title: Windows Vs Linux
Post by: DR M on March 23, 2014, 12:38:43 PM
Hi, Corrine, hi, Landzdown forum!

After reading some posts these days in the forum, I have some questions about Linux and Windows. Please, if you have some time, inform us about these:

1. What is Linux?
2. Why Linux is free but Windows costs many money?
3. Are there different versions of Linux?
4. Does Linux have updates? I have read somewhere that updates will end in 2015.
5. If someone is an advanved computer user, he/she can use Linux without any limitations?
6. Can the software (programs) I use in Windows, AND ESPECIALLY OFFICE 14 AND ESET, run in Linux?
7. Could the solution of installing Linux on an old computer costs customers to Microsoft?
8. Linux Vs Windows. Could you please tell us about advantages and disadvantages of the two operating systems, if there are some?

THANK YOU.  :rose:
Title: Re: Windows Vs Linux
Post by: Corrine on March 23, 2014, 01:12:33 PM
Hi, Panos. 

I sent LilBambi, who knows and uses Linux in addition to Windows and Mac, a link to your questions but will add a few general comments.

1. What is Linux?
Linux is open source software -- compare it to Firefox or Opera with Internet Explorer. 

2. Why Linux is free but Windows costs many money? 
I'm using "Linux" as a general term.  It is not the Intellectual Property of one company -- it is not "owned" as Microsoft software is.

3. Are there different versions of Linux?
There are numerous "distros", some more popular than others.  See http://distrowatch.com/

4. Does Linux have updates? I have read somewhere that updates will end in 2015.
Yes, and some are security updates but most are improvements.  As to 2015, it could be that a particular distro won't be updated after that date but Linux will continue.

5. If someone is an advanved computer user, he/she can use Linux without any limitations?
I'll leave that to LilBambi.

6. Can the software (programs) I use in Windows, AND ESPECIALLY OFFICE 14 AND ESET, run in Linux?
Microsoft doesn't make an Office version for Linux but ESET and many other companies make Linux-compatible versions.

7. Could the solution of installing Linux on an old computer costs customers to Microsoft?
It would cost only in they are not purchasing a new computer. 

8. Linux Vs Windows. Could you please tell us about advantages and disadvantages of the two operating systems, if there are some?
I'll leave this one to LilBambi too.  :)

Title: Re: Windows Vs Linux
Post by: DR M on March 23, 2014, 01:21:35 PM
Thank you, Corrine.

But if no Office in Linux, then ... I know that there are alternatives, but not the same. Am I right? (I mean Libre Office Vs Office )
Title: Re: Windows Vs Linux
Post by: Digerati on March 23, 2014, 01:44:33 PM
If I may add my two cents - much depends on what you want to do with your computer as to whether Linux would be right for you or not. If you are a gamer, Linux is not for you. If you are a writer, use email, do on-line banking or shopping, or simply want to surf the Internet, Linux will do that just fine (and yes, LibreOffice would be an option too).

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5. If someone is an advanved computer user, he/she can use Linux without any limitations?
I don't know what you mean by "limitations".

And while it is true, Linux alternatives are often used by "advanced computer users", any one can use Linux. The issue is simply familiarity - what you are used to. I am so used to W7 and W8 now, when I sit in front of an XP system, it looks foreign to me. I know several highly advanced computer users who use nothing but Linux and they are lost when sitting in front of a Windows machine - just as I get lost sitting in front of a Mac.

There is a big learning curve with Linux - IF your experience is just with Windows because the UIs are so different. It would be like putting a MS Word user in front of WordPerfect. He will struggle just to start a new document.
Title: Re: Windows Vs Linux
Post by: LilBambi on March 23, 2014, 04:27:42 PM
Hi, Corrine, hi, Landzdown forum!

After reading some posts these days in the forum, I have some questions about Linux and Windows. Please, if you have some time, inform us about these:

1. What is Linux?
2. Why Linux is free but Windows costs many money?
3. Are there different versions of Linux?
4. Does Linux have updates? I have read somewhere that updates will end in 2015.
5. If someone is an advanved computer user, he/she can use Linux without any limitations?
6. Can the software (programs) I use in Windows, AND ESPECIALLY OFFICE 14 AND ESET, run in Linux?
7. Could the solution of installing Linux on an old computer costs customers to Microsoft?
8. Linux Vs Windows. Could you please tell us about advantages and disadvantages of the two operating systems, if there are some?

THANK YOU.  :rose:

Hi Panos!

Excellent questions. Others have also given answers and I will just be adding to those.

1. What is Linux?

Linux (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux), also known as GNULinux is a 'UNIX-like" (not a UNIX clone) operating system and was originally created by Linus Torvalds (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linus_Torvalds) in 1991 after playing with Minix (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MINIX), another Unix-like operating system. You could say that Minix inspired Linus to create the Linux Kernel. This year was I believe the 20th Anniversary of version 1.0 of Linux. The Linux Kernel is now at version 3.13.6 (Stable).

Later, in 1992, the X-Window System (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X_Window_System) was ported to Linux which began to make it more usable by those who prefer a graphical user interface.

Linux has come a very long way since then. I personally use Debian which is a very stable version of Linux and run the KDE Desktop (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE) GUI on the more speedy of my computers, but older computers with less RAM and lesser processors generally I will run Xfce (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xfce).

Many prefer Ubuntu for new users, and that's a good choice, but I prefer any of the Linux Mint versions that have all the goodies folks want to make life easier and so they don't have to go looking for the restricted/proprietary things. To me that makes life easier for new Linux Explorers. But only if it works for your hardware and you like it. That is the most important thing about Linux. You need to want to use it, and want to play and have a computer playground to test things and see what you like and what your hardware likes.

2. Why Linux is free but Windows costs many money?

Windows was Developed by Microsoft, a for profit company and they own Windows. They license it to users with more and more stringent restrictions. I love Windows and have used it since I first moved to Windows 3.1x from DOS/GEM (although I still have a license for Windows 1.0 on 5.25" floppy disk).

Linux was developed by Linus Torvalds (and he still has a major say in the Kernel development), but he basically gave Linux to the Free and Open Source (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_and_open_source_software) community to do with it as they will. So it could be all it could be in time. Linux is licensed under the GNU (General Public License) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_General_Public_License). Boy does the community have a lot of will! Many also get involved with Linux User Groups (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_User_Group) locally.

3. Are there different versions of Linux?

Oh, yes! More than you would initially think! There are many Linux Distributions (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_distributions) and more all the time.

4. Does Linux have updates? I have read somewhere that updates will end in 2015.

Yes, Linux gets up dates quite regularly for itself and any of the myriad of programs you can install on Linux right from the Distrubution you choose.

No, that is not true that updates will end in 2015. Maybe for a particular version of Linux but Linux like Windows and Mac are always evolving to newer versions.

5. If someone is an advanved computer user, he/she can use Linux without any limitations?

No matter what level computer user you are, you can use Linux for Free as in Beer and Free as in Free Speech. There are some limitations within the licensing and like anything else you should read the license if you intend to try to make money from it. However, yes, you can for your own personal use use it without limitations. You can rip it apart, put it back together, change it, build on it, build for it. You name it. Your imagination is your only barrier really. And as you do this, you give back to the community to make it better! As everyone else does.

6. Can the software (programs) I use in Windows, AND ESPECIALLY OFFICE 14 AND ESET, run in Linux?

Some Windows programs will work in Linux via things like WINE (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wine_(software)) (free) and CodeWeavers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CodeWeavers) CrossOver (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CrossOver) (non-free).

Yes, there are many non-free proprietary or mixture of proprietary and open source, GNU programs for Linux as well as a multitude of free ones!

Unless you will have to do major collaboration with others who do use Microsoft Office, or use intense macros or calculations that don't translate in Excel, you may or may not even need to buy something new. You could just use LibreOffice (http://www.libreoffice.org/) (my personal favorite of the Open Source office programs and already the default in many Linux Distributions), or OpenOffice.org (http://www.openoffice.org/).

Or you could use Microsoft's Office Web apps and LiveDrive on any OS; Windows, Mac and Linux!

As far as ESET goes, you can't use your current Windows license of course, but ESET does have ESET NOD32 Antivurus for the Linux Desktop (http://www.eset.com/me/home/products/antivirus-linux/) that works quite well.

You can also run VirtualBox (https://www.virtualbox.org/) virtualization software, and install Windows on top of Linux to run Windows programs.

Or run VirtualBox (https://www.virtualbox.org/) or VMWare (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VMWare), or Microsoft's own virtualization software (goes by different names depending on the version of Windows) such as VirtualPC (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Virtual_PC)/XPMode (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Virtual_PC#Windows_XP_Mode) on Windows 7 and install Linux to play with it and learn more about it without having to dual boot or have a separate computer to run both OSes. I use Windows XP Pro in VirtualBox on my Mac. I also use different versions of Linux in VirtualBox when I have the space on my Debian Linux computer.

7. Could the solution of installing Linux on an old computer costs customers to Microsoft?

That is a difficult question ... if I understand the question. As Corrine said, only in so much as they are not buying a new computer that would maybe have Microsoft Windows on it. But it could be equally true that they would not be buying a new computer that is a Mac or a new Chrome Notebook from Google. Or that they would choose a Mac or Chrome Notebook, etc. over Windows as well as the possibility of choosing to use Linux on old hardware.

People are the ones who decide what they want to run on their computers; either by installing it on their own computer (Desktop or Laptop), buying a new computer with a specific operating system on it, or deciding to go to a Tablet with either iOS, Android or Windows 8/RT on it instead of using a full blown computer.

8. Linux Vs Windows. Could you please tell us about advantages and disadvantages of the two operating systems, if there are some?

That really mean different things to different people. Some people need Windows for their business, for their work, for their gaming, etc. Others may also have those needs and deal with them in different ways.  And they may want to try new things, expand and get back that feeling of learning again from the ground up like they did back in the DOS and early Windows days and be able to build, create, expand without the costs of compilers, and other development tools.

Also, as Digerati said, gaming has always been a deficit area for Linux, but no more. Not since Steam now has a wonderful list of games that work on Linux. One friend of mine used to keep a Windows dualboot around until recently because of that very reason. He no longer needs Windows to play the games. So yes, many things still require Windows, but that is changing.

That was more the reason I got into Linux. Plus I liked the fact that even if I didn't go fully over to Linux, I would still being learning something new that would always be with me and give me that freedom ... free as in beer and free as in free speech. Something I could do anything with and I wouldn't have someone come after me for royalties, licenses, sue me, etc. if I did so. Where my desire to peak under the hood wasn't hampered, or locked under a non-disclosure agreement, or cost a fortune just to be able to play, or do something worthwhile to help myself or others.

I also know that I started with Linux one year and got discouraged due to hardware difficulties at that time back in early 2000, and put it off for almost a year because of some harsh so called help I got on a Linux help site at that time. Which is why was so excited when BATL at Scot's Newsletter Forums (http://forums.scotsnewsletter.com/index.php?showforum=14) started with Bruno at it's helm for so long.

Between my hubby Jim and Bruno, and some others' experiences I was able to read and learn from in BATL, I was able to overcome my disillusionment and discouragement and try again when I got some hardware that worked well with Mandrake 7.2 Linux (at that time, name has changed a couple times over the years). I have since gone from Mandrake, Redhat, Fedora, Ubuntu, Knoppix, and settled on Debian for the moment for the past few years. I run Debian Wheezy currently...the current Stable Debian. I also have installed Linux Mint but it's not on my current systems.

I personally would not stop using Windows, Mac or Linux, iOS or Android. I am a technician and a very curious person. I want to be able to use it all, and enjoy it all, and not have anyone tell me I can't.

But I also know that if Microsoft/Windows or Apple/Macs get too stupid for words with their licensing, how safe or not they are, etc., I can fall back on Linux and no one can take that away from me.

Until or If that time ever comes, I will enjoy them all!

 :dance:
Title: Re: Windows Vs Linux
Post by: Corrine on March 23, 2014, 04:48:47 PM
Panos, have you looked at Office Online?  I covered the recent update briefly here:  OneDrive + Office Online + Outlook.com (http://securitygarden.blogspot.com/2014/02/onedrive-office-online-outlookcom.html).

LilBambi, thank you!  Your reply is excellent.  :rose:
Title: Re: Windows Vs Linux
Post by: tashi on March 23, 2014, 05:11:27 PM
LilBambi, thank you!  Your reply is excellent.  :rose:

 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Windows Vs Linux
Post by: R-C on March 23, 2014, 05:23:15 PM
Here is my contribution. When I first installed a linux distro in my pc I also had a pc with windows on it. I had them both set up with a KVM switch so I could use one monitor and one mouse for both computers. That way I could easily go back and forth which helped me delve into the linux world at my speed. I knew not a thing about linux other than what it was, a free operating system. In a very short time I was using my linux machine much more than windows. I kept my windows but it pretty much had cobwebs on it. Today I have a computer with windows 7 and a computer with Mephis Linux distro. I again use both. So yes someone that knows nothing about linux can use it but it takes a little time to get used to a new operating system. I did read a lot about linux so I could understand some of the terminology. I am not one that does command line, I prefer a nice easy to use GUI. So you can get by with just a little knowledge of command line. Again that is part of the learning curve.

As to programs from windows that you want to use in Linux, yes and no, some can be used with WINE, whether the ones you want to use will work again researching and learning. Like what is WINE. Remember that reading part here you go,
http://www.winehq.org/docs/wineusr-guide/what-is-wine
they do a much better job than I can.

And for what is linux this is a good place to start.
http://www.linuxfoundation.org/what-is-linux

You asked about updates, yes your linux distro on your pc will get updates just like your windows does, it has an auto updater similar to windows(different methods on different distros) that will alert you to new updates so you can install them. Very easy to do. There is also the upgrade to the newer or newest release of your distro. So don't get those 2 confused.

Using linux on an older machine is quite often done in in some cases is about all you can run on older machines. There are some distros of linux that are called light or light weight versions. They are smaller than some of the bigger beefier distros. For instance one of my favorite distros is Mephis, there is a light version called antix which is like a light version of Mephis.
One new distro that was created especially to help with this xp ending situation is linuxliteos it is light weight, comes well stocked with the essential programs the average user will need and is set up a lot like windows so it looks more familiar. https://www.linuxliteos.com/
https://www.linuxliteos.com/screenshots/index.php?album=Linux-Lite  some screen shots of what it looks like.
The great thing about so many linux distros is that you can make a live cd/dvd of it by burning the iso to disc, reboot your pc with the disc in the disc drive, and choose to try it, you don't want to install it. You can run the whole thing from your disc. That way you can see what it looks like on your pc, you can use it and see how you like it, you can go online and do the things you normally do like surf (all come with a browser), go check your web based email, etc. all right from the cd.
Nothing touches your windows OS. When done just remove the cd/dvd and reboot the pc back to your normal windows. You have the option of 32bit and 64bit just like with windows so know which you need. Here is a good simple guide for burning an iso. The top section how to burn a live cd and the in windows section.
http://www.kwheezy.com/en/weblog/2013/07/24/how-burn-live-cd/

Title: Re: Windows Vs Linux
Post by: DR M on March 23, 2014, 05:33:50 PM
WOW!!!!!!! Thank you ALL! Now I have to read and understand all these! I have no intention, at least now, to install Linux in my computer (Windows 7), but perhaps I will in my old XP one (I have not used it for more than two years). In addition, I love learning about computers and their possibilities!    :flowers: :flowers:   (for the Ladies)   :Hammys pint:   :Hammys pint:  (for the Gentlements)   :mitch:  (for me!!! )
Title: Re: Windows Vs Linux
Post by: LilBambi on March 23, 2014, 05:55:06 PM
LOL! Happy to help Panos!

Here's a little something I added to the above that I posted on my blog (http://bambismusings.wordpress.com/2014/03/23/windows-vs-linux-posting-at-landzdown/) at Corrine's encouragement:

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I also want to say that my Jim was the one who helped me at first to get back into Linux  with Mandrake 7.2 since it was before BATL at Scot’s Newsletter Forums got started. But as I expanded in Linux I wanted to learn more and explore more, and that is where BATL and Bruno came in starting in 2003.

Also, another thing that was very important for me and that I mentioned in other postings, is that I use Mozilla Firefox (http://www.firefox.com/) and Google Chrome (http://www.google.com/chrome), Thunderbird (http://www.mozilla.org/thunderbird) email client which I used up till a year or two ago  (now using Postbox from the original developers of Thunderbird), The GIMP (http://www.gimp.org/), Filezilla (https://filezilla-project.org/), LibreOffice (http://www.libreoffice.org/) and other Open Source and cross platform programs so in many ways it was an easier transition for me. I have a beautiful desktop and lack for nothing really that I use day to day when I use Linux. I think that if someone really wants to make a transition from one OS to another, making sure you are comfortable with cross platform programs really makes that so much easier.

I found it much easier for me to go to Linux and to Mac OS X for the same reason. When I use the various OSes: Windows, Mac, Linux, I am using the same programs across the board for most of my every day tasks.
Title: Re: Windows Vs Linux
Post by: LilBambi on March 23, 2014, 06:12:10 PM
I added my Linux Counter Number to the posting on my blog. I signed up with my first Linux install on: December 7, 2000. Will be 14 years ago in December.
Title: Re: Windows Vs Linux
Post by: DR M on March 23, 2014, 06:41:36 PM
Two ... stupid questions now:

1. I installed Libre Office, just to try it (and uninstalled it). Some of my complex docx files appeared completely different when I opened them in Libre Office. Why? If I cannot use my old documents, what's the purpose?

2. Can you please suggest some basic programs that can run in Linux? E.g.:
    a. Burning cds, dvds ... (e.g. Ashampoo in Windows)
    b. Audio and Video elaboration (e.g. IMTOO in Windows)
    c. Downloading from youtube (e.g. DVDVideoSoft)
    d. ... Something else you consider is important.

THANK YOU!  :thumbsup:

Corrine, yes, I have read about Office Online. But I don't feel ready to save important projects online yet... That's why I don't want to use Dropbox or SkyDrive for saving purposes. I don't Know... I imagine that I will wake up one day and everything will disappeared!  :cheers:
Title: Re: Windows Vs Linux
Post by: Ghost on March 23, 2014, 07:07:34 PM
I see a few have added their 2 cents worth so ill chime in with mine;-).
Here is another link for you to read......as if you needed another link with more to read about Linux;-D
http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?s=bca22d12002f51f1e47b9e2076f65f29&t=286575
It was several years ago when i was dragged kicking and screaming into Linux and i havent looked back since. The only reason i have Windows is because my isp will not work on anything if im using linux even though ill bet they are using Linux servers!. So i have W7 on another hard drive to plug into for the times im having dsl problems;-(.
One thing about duel boots.
If either system crashes then you may lose both because you cant boot into either.....at least that has been my experience;-(. In my main tower i have my main Linux system Mint 13-Mate and the W7 hard drive. Takes me just seconds to switch hard drives if needed for dsl problems.
LilBambi will correct me if im wrong but i believe there isnt anything you can do with Windows that you cant do with the right Linux system.
As far a low resourse system i would look at Puppy Linux also.
Ghost
Title: Re: Windows Vs Linux
Post by: LilBambi on March 23, 2014, 07:48:50 PM
1. I installed Libre Office, just to try it (and uninstalled it). Some of my complex docx files appeared completely different when I opened them in Libre Office. Why? If I cannot use my old documents, what's the purpose?

That was the very type of thing that I was talking about. If it is not possible to use LibreOffice because it messes with your complex formatting, then you may be one of those folks that needs to use Microsoft Office and Office Web Apps may be a better choice.

BTW: You can save documents locally with Office Web Apps. But you may nor may not be able to do everything you need with Office Web Apps. There is a PCMag several page review (http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2365016,00.asp) on it that might help.

That doesn't mean you won't be able to try Linux, just means you have to think out of the box a bit for your particular situation.

2. Can you please suggest some basic programs that can run in Linux? E.g.:
    a. Burning cds, dvds ... (e.g. Ashampoo in Windows)
    b. Audio and Video elaboration (e.g. IMTOO in Windows)
    c. Downloading from youtube (e.g. DVDVideoSoft)
    d. ... Something else you consider is important.


a. k3b (http://www.k3b.org/) is one
b. Handbrake (http://handbrake.fr/) is one
c. there are plugins for Google Chrome for downloading videos from youtube, etc. GetThemAll Downloader (https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/getthemall-downloader/nbkekaeindpfpcoldfckljplboolgkfm?hl=en) is one.
d. screen capture program: several available, I use KSnapshot (http://www.kde.org/applications/graphics/ksnapshot/)
    image viewing program: many avaialble including Geequie (http://sourceforge.net/projects/geeqie/), Gwenview (http://www.kde.org/applications/graphics/gwenview/)
    pdf viewer: Okular (http://okular.kde.org/), and many others
    media players: vlc (http://www.videolan.org/vlc/index.html), SMPlayer (http://introducingkde4.blogspot.com/2009/01/dragon-and-smplayer.html), KMPlayer (http://kmplayer.kde.org/), Dragon Player (http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=17161), JuK Music Player (http://www.kde.org/applications/multimedia/juk/), LXMusic (http://wiki.lxde.org/en/LXMusic)
    browsers: Google Chrome (don't have to go looking for flash installation), Mozilla Firefox
    Instant Messenger programs: Kopete (http://kopete.kde.org/), Skype (http://www.skype.com/en/download-skype/skype-for-linux/), etc.
    Feed Reader programs: Feed Reader (http://feedreader.com/features.php), RSSOwl (http://www.rssowl.org/download), etc.
    eMail programs: Thunderbird, KMail (http://www.kde.org/applications/internet/kmail/), etc.
    IRC: X-Chat (http://xchat.org/), KVirc (http://www.kvirc.net/)*, etc.

* KVirc is the first Linux program I complied myself because it was the closest to mIRC for Windows and it wasn't yet in the Mandrake Distro as a program I could just choose to install. Now KVirc is in all the distros.

Most of of these programs are available through the distribution of Linux you choose. I only link to the pages for the programs so you can see what they are.

NOTE: Any links to Sourceforge, be sure to get the zip file NOT the exe file if you want to try out any Windows versions. Apparently sourceforge has done the evil thing and adds a bunch of crapware to the executable downloads.
Title: Re: Windows Vs Linux
Post by: LilBambi on March 23, 2014, 07:50:20 PM
Great posting over at WildersSecurity, Ghost!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Windows Vs Linux
Post by: Ghost on March 23, 2014, 09:49:32 PM
Thank you LilBambi.
On the download youtube thing i use a Terminal command:
1- Go to youtube and search the video you want to download
2- Copy the Video URL from the browser's navigation(address) bar.
3- Open up terminal and type in
youtube-dl {video URL}
Don't forget to replace '{video URL}' with the URL you copied from the browser's navigation(address) bar and an extra "space" between the -dl and the url.
and your video will start downloading.
It is simple and has worked for me many times.
DR M, another thing i like about Linux is i dont need any anti anything and no firewall. there is a basic firewall with most distro's and just 3 or 4 clicks and its set up for good if you feel safer;-)
All software downloaded from the Linux repository is free of any infections of any kind which was a big selling point for me and others.
Title: Re: Windows Vs Linux
Post by: LilBambi on March 23, 2014, 10:27:18 PM
Thank you LilBambi.
On the download youtube thing i use a Terminal command:
1- Go to youtube and search the video you want to download
2- Copy the Video URL from the browser's navigation(address) bar.
3- Open up terminal and type in
youtube-dl {video URL}
Don't forget to replace '{video URL}' with the URL you copied from the browser's navigation(address) bar and an extra "space" between the -dl and the url.
and your video will start downloading.
It is simple and has worked for me many times.
DR M, another thing i like about Linux is i dont need any anti anything and no firewall. there is a basic firewall with most distro's and just 3 or 4 clicks and its set up for good if you feel safer;-)
All software downloaded from the Linux repository is free of any infections of any kind which was a big selling point for me and others.

That is awesome, Ghost! I knew about that one, but I haven't used it because I have major bandwidth limitations and don't view many videos and don't download them unfortunately, so I didn't know the syntax. Thanks!

So it is SANS the { } and just use the URL?

Very true Ghost  :mitch:

One can not use an anti- something in Linux and many desktop users do.

But, if one wants to be protected, there are both pay to play ones and free ones. If one doesn't want to use a pay to play always running type of anti something program, could just use on demand programs:  ClamAV (http://www.clamav.net/lang/en/download/packages/packages-linux/) to keep Windows friends safe, and/or  Anti-Rootkit program Rootkit Hunter (http://en.kioskea.net/download/anti-rootkit-110/linux/) to make sure your system doesn't get hit with known rootkits. To make sure the system doesn't get hit with stuff like the UNIX web servers (http://arstechnica.com/security/2014/03/10000-linux-servers-hit-by-malware-serving-tsunami-of-spam-and-exploits/) spewing spam.

Of course, Linux computers aren't very appealing to that malware if they are not running the nginx, Lighttpd, or Apache Web servers. However, there are times when someone is doing some web testing on a local web server, and they might be using such software and want to be sure.

But overall, most folks running linux desktops don't worry about it because generally speaking, they keep their systems updated, and other than browser based hacks that generally will only affect the user account, or if as noted above, one is running a webserver, their systems are safer than the average computers out there.

Also good, like in any OS, to make make sure to run as a normal user, only surf and email as a normal user, and enter root credentials as needed and called for.
Title: Re: Windows Vs Linux
Post by: Ghost on March 23, 2014, 11:02:31 PM
Hi LilBambi,
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That is awesome, Ghost! I knew about that one, but I haven't used it because I have major bandwidth limitations and don't view many videos and don't download them unfortunately, so I didn't know the syntax. Thanks!
Well i must be honest and say that my guru Mitch sent that to me along time ago;-)
To strip music from audio or vise versa i use Avidemux (GTK+).
if i want to change the music format i use Sound Converter or Sound Juicer depending on what format i want (Wav or MP3)

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So it is SANS the { } and just use the URL?
Thats correct;-)

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But, if one wants to be protected, there are both pay to play ones and free ones. If one doesn't want to use a pay to play always running type of anti something program, could just use on demand programs:  ClamAV to keep Windows friends safe, and/or  Anti-Rootkit program Rootkit Hunter to make sure your system doesn't get hit with known rootkits. To make sure the system doesn't get hit with stuff like the UNIX web servers spewing spam.
I havent used any of the above mentioned except ClamAv. Maybe "ignorance is bliss';-D

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But overall, most folks running linux desktops don't worry about it because generally speaking, they keep their systems updated, and other than browser based hacks that generally will only affect the user account, or if as noted above, one is running a webserver, their systems are safer than the average computers out there.
This is true.

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Also good, like in any OS, to make make sure to run as a normal user, only surf and email as a normal user, and enter root credentials as needed and called for.
I couldnt agree more;-)

Ghost




 
Title: Re: Windows Vs Linux
Post by: LilBambi on March 23, 2014, 11:51:06 PM
Very nice, Ghost!

 :mitch:
Title: Re: Windows Vs Linux
Post by: Ghost on March 24, 2014, 12:14:54 AM
Thank you,
If your using an SSD here is another syntax:
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TRIM:

Undelete utilities work because when you delete a file, you're really only removing the filesystem's pointer to that file, leaving the file contents behind on the disk. The filesystem knows about the newly freed space and eventually will reuse it, but the drive doesn't. HDDs can overwrite data just as efficiently as writing to a new sector, so it doesn't really hurt them, but this can slow down SSDs' write operations, because they can't overwrite data efficiently.

An SSD organizes data internally into 4k pages and groups 128 pages into a 512k block. SSDs can write only into empty 4k pages and erase in big 512k block increments. This means that although SSDs can write very quickly, overwriting is a much slower process. The TRIM command keeps your SSD running at top speed by giving the filesystem a way to tell the SSD about deleted pages. This gives the drive a chance to do the slow overwriting procedures in the background, ensuring that you always have a large pool of empty 4k pages at your disposal.
TRIM is installed in U and mint," but not ran".
Here is a command you can run when you have nothing else to do. in the terminal copy and paste this:
sudo fstrim -v /
Takes a bit and if you have system monitor in the taskbar AND have it showing "harddisk". 
After a bit ( say 1 min) you will see write activity showing up ! and that is cleaning up the small files !
WAIT for the terminal to show something like this !!!!!!!....
/: 3875201024 bytes were trimmed.
it is not saying it cleaned , just saying it went examined and fixed this that amount!"
Again, this is from Mitch awhile back;-).
I tried it and it worked great;-))
Ghost




Title: Re: Windows Vs Linux
Post by: Corrine on March 24, 2014, 01:21:01 AM
This is from also from Mitch, "The Linux Cookie Monster", with permission to post here.  I broke up paragraphs, changed spacing from the email format for the forum.  I don't think I changed the context of anything by doing so.  Luv ya, Mitch!  :mitch:

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ok questions about linux? Go here and look around this forum ( most of the distro's have one) -- http://forums.linuxmint.com/.  Now just look at the first main topic ( newbie questions).  Most people figure out windows or learn how by way of friends ! or you can spend $ and get tech support.

Well you would be surprised how many friends a new person has on linux !  I live in a senior mobile home park , fixed income only ( and one thing I noted real quick, there are a lot more retired ladies than men ;-D )  I do not charge to help out !   ( kinda is against the linux way for me)

Well most have a computer to swap news and pics of the families from far away ! and they get a "donated computer" from a grand kid and it is a old xp system with min memory, celeron and slow and sometimes full of malware ! and they are new to computers and confused and no one to help and show them how to work even g-mail ! So I would try and clean up the systems (usually remove about 200 malware things with Malwarebytes and do a clean and defrag and it would work better but still have troubles with flash/java and popup ads

So I would live cd a linux mint and after a bit they would want me to install it and they would offer to pay me ! ( see above i do not charge) So I reached a compromise with them and they can pay me with cookies ;-DD  Well last summer I had a busy month and picked up 5 pounds !!!!!!!!!

There is all kinds of things like "how do I burn a ISO with windows" and several ways to do it.  Then make a live dvd and try it.  It will give you a chance to see if all works with it ( usually does, except laptops do have some troubles) but you can get online, surf and try programs and such !

Now if you have a desktop... for less than the cost of Windows Office you can buy a new hard drive and just swap out the Microsoft and install Linux from a live cd to the hard drive and really try it out !

Don't know how you are with computer hardware? but made my LAST system ( hey I am a damn old senior ) and for about $400 have a 6 core cpu ( amd) , 8 gig of ddr 3 memory, Nvidia graphics and installed a 128 gig solid state drive and wow does it boot fast !!!  NOTE on my other system I have a 64 gig hard drive ( yes just 64) and 2 years later I still have 45 gig free space on it !

Linux will read and write to a NTFS hard drive ( Windows) and I have a large music collection ( thank you Linux) and just use a usb hard drive I made from spare parts ! and use banshee for the music playback ( available for Windows in beta form free of course)

So you can work Linux fine and if you have a really large data files/music and such, just use another hard drive.  There are lots of way you can get support with Linux!
Title: Re: Windows Vs Linux
Post by: LilBambi on March 24, 2014, 01:46:00 AM
So true!!!  :mitch:

Thanks for sharing that posting Corrine!  :wub:
Title: Re: Windows Vs Linux
Post by: Digerati on March 24, 2014, 12:01:10 PM
I have not had the compatibilities issues with LibreOffice as mentioned above (except when the Word doc contained off-the-wall fonts). But above said, "complex docx" files too. The files I used did not contain any tables, for example. My son uses LibreOffice for his school papers and has not complained about compatibility so not sure what to say about that.
Title: Re: Windows Vs Linux
Post by: Corrine on March 24, 2014, 02:20:51 PM
Some additional information from another friend, "the hardcore Nocturnal Slacker Linux dude at Scot's" suggested:

Quote from: V.T. Eric Layton
If you'd like, you can also point your interested members at Landzdown to my GNU/Linux Adventurer's Backpack (http://noctslackv1.wordpress.com/2011/04/26/the-gnulinux-adventurers-backpack/) article, which is also a Win2Lin introductory piece... and 5 Things Every Aspiring Linux User Should Know (https://noctslackv1.wordpress.com/2012/02/27/5-things-every-aspiring-linux-user-should-know/).

We're here to help should any of your folks decide to take the plunge.
Title: Re: Windows Vs Linux
Post by: LilBambi on March 24, 2014, 07:25:20 PM
Awesome that you posted those Corrine!

They are great links from Eric's Linux blog. Since they are such great postings, I asked him if he would consider putting them in a comment on my blog entry too, which he graciously did.

 :mitch:
Title: Re: Windows Vs Linux
Post by: SpyDie on March 24, 2014, 08:57:59 PM
My experience with Linux is a little more limited to just web development, however, I was impressed with how far these distros and tools have come. When I first "tried" Linux it was Ubuntu back in 2006 (Dapper Drake), I wasn't too impressed but thinking back, it's probably more because of the vast difference in UI between it (at the time) and Windows - I had no idea what to do or how to do anything.

Also, OpenOffice had many compatibilities with Office at the time - haven't used it since so can't comment on it now.

I admit, my Linux time is now at the hands of a Git Bash terminal and I don't dive much into the UI of our development VMs (openSuse). Linux (and many tools like Git) has a very powerful command line system!
Title: Re: Windows Vs Linux
Post by: DR M on August 14, 2015, 12:41:12 PM
Hello, LzD, from my old XP computer, which is running with Linux Mint, from today !

You see, instead of completely break the new computer, I decided to learn something else on the old one!

I have some (in fact a lot) questions, as I find my self unable to do the most simple things!

1. The Adobe Flash Player is out of date, so it's blocked by Firefox. I downloaded a file, but what's next? How can I install it?

2. I would like a program suitable for cd/dvd burning. What do you suggest? Again, how can I do the installation?

3. What about zip files? Do I need something like 7 zip, or there is not such a thing in Linux?

4. Can I install Pale Moon?

5. What else do you think I should need?

THank you, in advance!
Title: Re: Windows Vs Linux
Post by: plodr on August 14, 2015, 03:41:56 PM
What version of Linux Mint are you using? ( I don't run Mint so I won't be much help on most issues)

1. You can't. Adobe dropped support for flash in Linux.
Read this article
http://www.howtogeek.com/193876/using-firefox-on-linux-your-flash-player-is-old-and-outdated/?PageSpeed=noscript
Title: Re: Windows Vs Linux
Post by: Corrine on August 14, 2015, 03:59:00 PM
I'll ping Ghost. He is using Linux- 17-Mate but, as plodr asked, will want to know which version of Linux Mint you have.
Title: Re: Windows Vs Linux
Post by: DR M on August 14, 2015, 04:24:30 PM
I installed Linux Mint 17.2 (Rafaella), version Cinnamon.

I will wait.

Thanks.

Meanwhile, I noticed that one of the already installed programs (Brasero) is a dvd/cd writer and cd audio creator.
Title: Re: Windows Vs Linux
Post by: Corrine on August 14, 2015, 04:41:11 PM
Ghost is working now so won't see my email until this evening.  So, with you in UTC +3 and Ghost and me in UTC -5, I guess you'll need to be patient.  In the meantime, you can explore.
Title: Re: Windows Vs Linux
Post by: DR M on August 14, 2015, 05:31:37 PM
Ghost is working now so won't see my email until this evening.  So, with you in UTC +3 and Ghost and me in UTC -5, I guess you'll need to be patient.  In the meantime, you can explore.

Thanks, Corrine.

It would be a great idea if I could travel to USA, find a job and live there! This would solve the hour zones issue and many others as well!  :laugh:
Title: Re: Windows Vs Linux
Post by: plodr on August 14, 2015, 09:22:55 PM
I never used Brasero; I'm more familiar with k3b.
After looking around, I found the Brasero wiki so this might help with question #2.
https://wiki.gnome.org/Apps/Brasero
Title: Re: Windows Vs Linux
Post by: plodr on August 15, 2015, 12:52:44 AM
I had more to add but I kept get a 404 error for this site so I copied my notes and saved in note pad so I could paste them later.
This will answer questions #3 and #5

http://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=90&t=202039&p=1050333&hilit=unzip#p1050333
this explains how to unzip

You might want to look around the Linux Mint forums to see if there is anything else you might want to know.
http://forums.linuxmint.com/viewforum.php?f=126&sid=0a1534b1d9b95a80daa69ddd127b49c6

This will answer the 2nd part of #2, how to install packages (called programs in Windows and apps in Android and Windows 10).
The only package manager I know well is Synaptic. I'm not sure if that is what Mint uses.
Ah, seems it does  To open in Cinnamon: Click Menu , then Administration, then Package Manager.
http://community.linuxmint.com/tutorial/view/1525
Title: Re: Windows Vs Linux
Post by: Corrine on August 15, 2015, 01:17:59 AM
There was a hardware failure by the hosting company so the site was down for a while.  SpyDie got most everything back up.
Title: Re: Windows Vs Linux
Post by: Ghost on August 15, 2015, 10:15:45 AM
Hi DR M,
I will be working all day today and this evening ive got to replace the rotor, caliper, and pads on the right rear of my truck so it will be late before i get in to do anything. Just to let you know;-)
Title: Re: Windows Vs Linux
Post by: DR M on August 15, 2015, 02:34:27 PM
Thank you, Ghost.

Take your time to fix your truck.

Meanwhile, I explore Linux Mint and I like it very much. I tried Ubuntu last year, but something was gone wrong and I could not use it. So, yesterday I installed Mint. The environment is not far from Windows, and it's easy for someone without knowledge about Unix to work on it. The only thing that makes me concerned is LibreOffice, as it has some compatibility issues with Microsoft Office, so I'm working on it now, to take the maximum result. I also have to say that the old computer works like a new one (except from the battery which died, and I need to have it on the a/c power all the time). I'M very happy with it!

I will wait for your suggestions about the whole thing.
Title: Re: Windows Vs Linux
Post by: Corrine on August 15, 2015, 02:48:56 PM
Linux Mint 17.2 (Rafaella) is LTS (Long Term Support).  Techie sent me a link to the documentation forthe Linux Mint 17.2 Cinnamon version.  Although not Rafaella, it should have common information that may be helpful.  http://www.linuxmint.com/documentation/user-guide/Cinnamon/english_17.2.pdf

Title: Re: Windows Vs Linux
Post by: DR M on August 15, 2015, 05:58:35 PM
Thanks, Corrine. I will take a look on the guide.

Plodr, I thank you too! I just noticed your replies! Sorry!

I hope that the Forum's last night's problems are permanently solved. I don't know if it's a coincident, but the problem with the smilies above returned. Instead od the smilies, I have their titles. E.g., Pretty flowers, Mitch's Blue Balloon, Beer anyone? etc.
Title: Re: Windows Vs Linux
Post by: Corrine on August 15, 2015, 07:17:03 PM
Yes, Panos, it appears that the "images" folder was damaged.  So avatars uploaded to the server, the smilies you mentioned, our favicon and "spyware cooker". 
Title: Re: Windows Vs Linux
Post by: DR M on August 15, 2015, 07:37:28 PM
Yes, Panos, it appears that the "images" folder was damaged.  So avatars uploaded to the server, the smilies you mentioned, our favicon and "spyware cooker".

Yes, I didn't notice all these before. I hope you will take care of our forum. I wish I could help.  :rose:
Title: Re: Windows Vs Linux
Post by: Ghost on August 16, 2015, 03:03:50 PM

Hi Dr. M,
i see you have played with Mint 17.2 enough to like it. Thats a good start;-).

I personally didnt like the default theme so installed the Oxygen Icon Theme from Synaptic Package Manager and love it;-).

As far a Libreoffice i never use it. I just dont have any doc's that i need Libreoffice for. Wish i could be more help.

One of the big things i like about Linux in general is this:
I have my wifes old HP Deskjet 6122 and her old flatbed scanner a Canon CanoScan Lide50 which i use and didnt have to install any software. They both work with all the tools. What i did was plug them in and rebooted. Bingo they worked. I did check for updates and yes there was a very few but after i d/l'ed the updates it didnt seem to make any difference. They just work;-).

I also did the same thing with my Ion camera and my Canon powershot A2300 camera with the exception that i didnt reboot (dont think a reboot is needed)  I now just plug in either and when the icon pops up on the desktop i double click the icon that pops up and presto there are the pics or movie. nice, very nice;-).
Title: Re: Windows Vs Linux
Post by: DR M on August 16, 2015, 05:04:27 PM
Yes, I like it, and I prefer to ''play'' with it instead of the new OS Windows 10, which is not yet ready for my computer!!! I find it more interesting.

Thanks for the tip about portable devices. I didn't try it yet, but I will have it in mind.

As for the LibreOffice, is the only, THE ONLY thing that I don't like. And I don't mean that the software has something wrong. It has, however, compatibility issues with Microsoft Office. As everybody here uses Microsoft Office, it's difficult to use LibreOffice. For example, I tried to open my thesis with LO. Many things changed. Even when I edited margins and alignment, to be the same with MO, the whole thing is different. More compatibilities issues occur with presentations. Someone could not prepare a presentation in LO and go and present it with MO. It would be a real mess. 

I will return with new questions soon. :)
Title: Re: Windows Vs Linux
Post by: MikeW on August 16, 2015, 05:18:07 PM
Have you seen this Panos - http://www.howtogeek.com/171565/how-to-install-microsoft-office-on-linux/

It may help
Title: Re: Windows Vs Linux
Post by: DR M on August 16, 2015, 05:28:28 PM
Have you seen this Panos - http://www.howtogeek.com/171565/how-to-install-microsoft-office-on-linux/

It may help

Hi, Mike. Thank you. Yes, I have seen it. I tend to use Wine and check it, but I don't have older versions of Office which work better with it, as the article says. But I will give it a try.

Something else I would like to share with you: When I had Windows XP in this computer (and then Ubuntu, for a little), there was no sound. Now, the sound returned, and ... it sounds good!
Title: Re: Windows Vs Linux
Post by: Ghost on August 20, 2015, 11:38:59 PM
Something else you can do with Linux.

For Linux users only.

How to d/l videos from Youtube.

Open terminal:

First you have to install youtube-dl with this command:  sudo apt-get install youtube-dl

and give in your password.  When installed close terminal.

Go to youtube and search the video you want to download and copy the URL.

Open up terminal and type in:  youtube-dl(space) Video URL <-- Copy/paste the Video URL from the browser's navigation (address) bar into terminal and hit enter. Remember the space!

It will download to your Home folder.




Title: Re: Windows Vs Linux
Post by: Ghost on August 27, 2015, 10:15:59 AM
Now for Linux and Windows users.
I imagine all here know this but just in case, if you want just the audio from a Youtube video copy/paste the url here and click "Convert". It will convert entire albums;-).
http://www.video2mp3.net/en/index.php (http://www.video2mp3.net/en/index.php)
Title: Re: Windows Vs Linux
Post by: DR M on August 27, 2015, 01:40:32 PM
Now for Linux and Windows users.
I imagine all here know this but just in case, if you want just the audio from a Youtube video copy/paste the url here and click "Convert". It will convert entire albums;-).
http://www.video2mp3.net/en/index.php (http://www.video2mp3.net/en/index.php)

Thanks. Ghost.

I use two add-ons for downloading videos from anywhere and converting to mp3:
Flash and Video Download
Youtube Mp3 Downloader using youtube-mp3.org.

I'm very satisfied with them.