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Windows Vs Linux
« on: March 23, 2014, 12:38:43 PM »
Hi, Corrine, hi, Landzdown forum!

After reading some posts these days in the forum, I have some questions about Linux and Windows. Please, if you have some time, inform us about these:

1. What is Linux?
2. Why Linux is free but Windows costs many money?
3. Are there different versions of Linux?
4. Does Linux have updates? I have read somewhere that updates will end in 2015.
5. If someone is an advanved computer user, he/she can use Linux without any limitations?
6. Can the software (programs) I use in Windows, AND ESPECIALLY OFFICE 14 AND ESET, run in Linux?
7. Could the solution of installing Linux on an old computer costs customers to Microsoft?
8. Linux Vs Windows. Could you please tell us about advantages and disadvantages of the two operating systems, if there are some?

THANK YOU.  :rose:
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Re: Windows Vs Linux
« Reply #1 on: March 23, 2014, 01:12:33 PM »
Hi, Panos. 

I sent LilBambi, who knows and uses Linux in addition to Windows and Mac, a link to your questions but will add a few general comments.

1. What is Linux?
Linux is open source software -- compare it to Firefox or Opera with Internet Explorer. 

2. Why Linux is free but Windows costs many money? 
I'm using "Linux" as a general term.  It is not the Intellectual Property of one company -- it is not "owned" as Microsoft software is.

3. Are there different versions of Linux?
There are numerous "distros", some more popular than others.  See http://distrowatch.com/

4. Does Linux have updates? I have read somewhere that updates will end in 2015.
Yes, and some are security updates but most are improvements.  As to 2015, it could be that a particular distro won't be updated after that date but Linux will continue.

5. If someone is an advanved computer user, he/she can use Linux without any limitations?
I'll leave that to LilBambi.

6. Can the software (programs) I use in Windows, AND ESPECIALLY OFFICE 14 AND ESET, run in Linux?
Microsoft doesn't make an Office version for Linux but ESET and many other companies make Linux-compatible versions.

7. Could the solution of installing Linux on an old computer costs customers to Microsoft?
It would cost only in they are not purchasing a new computer. 

8. Linux Vs Windows. Could you please tell us about advantages and disadvantages of the two operating systems, if there are some?
I'll leave this one to LilBambi too.  :)



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Re: Windows Vs Linux
« Reply #2 on: March 23, 2014, 01:21:35 PM »
Thank you, Corrine.

But if no Office in Linux, then ... I know that there are alternatives, but not the same. Am I right? (I mean Libre Office Vs Office )
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Re: Windows Vs Linux
« Reply #3 on: March 23, 2014, 01:44:33 PM »
If I may add my two cents - much depends on what you want to do with your computer as to whether Linux would be right for you or not. If you are a gamer, Linux is not for you. If you are a writer, use email, do on-line banking or shopping, or simply want to surf the Internet, Linux will do that just fine (and yes, LibreOffice would be an option too).

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5. If someone is an advanved computer user, he/she can use Linux without any limitations?
I don't know what you mean by "limitations".

And while it is true, Linux alternatives are often used by "advanced computer users", any one can use Linux. The issue is simply familiarity - what you are used to. I am so used to W7 and W8 now, when I sit in front of an XP system, it looks foreign to me. I know several highly advanced computer users who use nothing but Linux and they are lost when sitting in front of a Windows machine - just as I get lost sitting in front of a Mac.

There is a big learning curve with Linux - IF your experience is just with Windows because the UIs are so different. It would be like putting a MS Word user in front of WordPerfect. He will struggle just to start a new document.
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Re: Windows Vs Linux
« Reply #4 on: March 23, 2014, 04:27:42 PM »
Hi, Corrine, hi, Landzdown forum!

After reading some posts these days in the forum, I have some questions about Linux and Windows. Please, if you have some time, inform us about these:

1. What is Linux?
2. Why Linux is free but Windows costs many money?
3. Are there different versions of Linux?
4. Does Linux have updates? I have read somewhere that updates will end in 2015.
5. If someone is an advanved computer user, he/she can use Linux without any limitations?
6. Can the software (programs) I use in Windows, AND ESPECIALLY OFFICE 14 AND ESET, run in Linux?
7. Could the solution of installing Linux on an old computer costs customers to Microsoft?
8. Linux Vs Windows. Could you please tell us about advantages and disadvantages of the two operating systems, if there are some?

THANK YOU.  :rose:

Hi Panos!

Excellent questions. Others have also given answers and I will just be adding to those.

1. What is Linux?

Linux, also known as GNULinux is a 'UNIX-like" (not a UNIX clone) operating system and was originally created by Linus Torvalds in 1991 after playing with Minix, another Unix-like operating system. You could say that Minix inspired Linus to create the Linux Kernel. This year was I believe the 20th Anniversary of version 1.0 of Linux. The Linux Kernel is now at version 3.13.6 (Stable).

Later, in 1992, the X-Window System was ported to Linux which began to make it more usable by those who prefer a graphical user interface.

Linux has come a very long way since then. I personally use Debian which is a very stable version of Linux and run the KDE Desktop GUI on the more speedy of my computers, but older computers with less RAM and lesser processors generally I will run Xfce.

Many prefer Ubuntu for new users, and that's a good choice, but I prefer any of the Linux Mint versions that have all the goodies folks want to make life easier and so they don't have to go looking for the restricted/proprietary things. To me that makes life easier for new Linux Explorers. But only if it works for your hardware and you like it. That is the most important thing about Linux. You need to want to use it, and want to play and have a computer playground to test things and see what you like and what your hardware likes.

2. Why Linux is free but Windows costs many money?

Windows was Developed by Microsoft, a for profit company and they own Windows. They license it to users with more and more stringent restrictions. I love Windows and have used it since I first moved to Windows 3.1x from DOS/GEM (although I still have a license for Windows 1.0 on 5.25" floppy disk).

Linux was developed by Linus Torvalds (and he still has a major say in the Kernel development), but he basically gave Linux to the Free and Open Source community to do with it as they will. So it could be all it could be in time. Linux is licensed under the GNU (General Public License). Boy does the community have a lot of will! Many also get involved with Linux User Groups locally.

3. Are there different versions of Linux?

Oh, yes! More than you would initially think! There are many Linux Distributions and more all the time.

4. Does Linux have updates? I have read somewhere that updates will end in 2015.

Yes, Linux gets up dates quite regularly for itself and any of the myriad of programs you can install on Linux right from the Distrubution you choose.

No, that is not true that updates will end in 2015. Maybe for a particular version of Linux but Linux like Windows and Mac are always evolving to newer versions.

5. If someone is an advanved computer user, he/she can use Linux without any limitations?

No matter what level computer user you are, you can use Linux for Free as in Beer and Free as in Free Speech. There are some limitations within the licensing and like anything else you should read the license if you intend to try to make money from it. However, yes, you can for your own personal use use it without limitations. You can rip it apart, put it back together, change it, build on it, build for it. You name it. Your imagination is your only barrier really. And as you do this, you give back to the community to make it better! As everyone else does.

6. Can the software (programs) I use in Windows, AND ESPECIALLY OFFICE 14 AND ESET, run in Linux?

Some Windows programs will work in Linux via things like WINE (free) and CodeWeavers CrossOver (non-free).

Yes, there are many non-free proprietary or mixture of proprietary and open source, GNU programs for Linux as well as a multitude of free ones!

Unless you will have to do major collaboration with others who do use Microsoft Office, or use intense macros or calculations that don't translate in Excel, you may or may not even need to buy something new. You could just use LibreOffice (my personal favorite of the Open Source office programs and already the default in many Linux Distributions), or OpenOffice.org.

Or you could use Microsoft's Office Web apps and LiveDrive on any OS; Windows, Mac and Linux!

As far as ESET goes, you can't use your current Windows license of course, but ESET does have ESET NOD32 Antivurus for the Linux Desktop that works quite well.

You can also run VirtualBox virtualization software, and install Windows on top of Linux to run Windows programs.

Or run VirtualBox or VMWare, or Microsoft's own virtualization software (goes by different names depending on the version of Windows) such as VirtualPC/XPMode on Windows 7 and install Linux to play with it and learn more about it without having to dual boot or have a separate computer to run both OSes. I use Windows XP Pro in VirtualBox on my Mac. I also use different versions of Linux in VirtualBox when I have the space on my Debian Linux computer.

7. Could the solution of installing Linux on an old computer costs customers to Microsoft?

That is a difficult question ... if I understand the question. As Corrine said, only in so much as they are not buying a new computer that would maybe have Microsoft Windows on it. But it could be equally true that they would not be buying a new computer that is a Mac or a new Chrome Notebook from Google. Or that they would choose a Mac or Chrome Notebook, etc. over Windows as well as the possibility of choosing to use Linux on old hardware.

People are the ones who decide what they want to run on their computers; either by installing it on their own computer (Desktop or Laptop), buying a new computer with a specific operating system on it, or deciding to go to a Tablet with either iOS, Android or Windows 8/RT on it instead of using a full blown computer.

8. Linux Vs Windows. Could you please tell us about advantages and disadvantages of the two operating systems, if there are some?

That really mean different things to different people. Some people need Windows for their business, for their work, for their gaming, etc. Others may also have those needs and deal with them in different ways.  And they may want to try new things, expand and get back that feeling of learning again from the ground up like they did back in the DOS and early Windows days and be able to build, create, expand without the costs of compilers, and other development tools.

Also, as Digerati said, gaming has always been a deficit area for Linux, but no more. Not since Steam now has a wonderful list of games that work on Linux. One friend of mine used to keep a Windows dualboot around until recently because of that very reason. He no longer needs Windows to play the games. So yes, many things still require Windows, but that is changing.

That was more the reason I got into Linux. Plus I liked the fact that even if I didn't go fully over to Linux, I would still being learning something new that would always be with me and give me that freedom ... free as in beer and free as in free speech. Something I could do anything with and I wouldn't have someone come after me for royalties, licenses, sue me, etc. if I did so. Where my desire to peak under the hood wasn't hampered, or locked under a non-disclosure agreement, or cost a fortune just to be able to play, or do something worthwhile to help myself or others.

I also know that I started with Linux one year and got discouraged due to hardware difficulties at that time back in early 2000, and put it off for almost a year because of some harsh so called help I got on a Linux help site at that time. Which is why was so excited when BATL at Scot's Newsletter Forums started with Bruno at it's helm for so long.

Between my hubby Jim and Bruno, and some others' experiences I was able to read and learn from in BATL, I was able to overcome my disillusionment and discouragement and try again when I got some hardware that worked well with Mandrake 7.2 Linux (at that time, name has changed a couple times over the years). I have since gone from Mandrake, Redhat, Fedora, Ubuntu, Knoppix, and settled on Debian for the moment for the past few years. I run Debian Wheezy currently...the current Stable Debian. I also have installed Linux Mint but it's not on my current systems.

I personally would not stop using Windows, Mac or Linux, iOS or Android. I am a technician and a very curious person. I want to be able to use it all, and enjoy it all, and not have anyone tell me I can't.

But I also know that if Microsoft/Windows or Apple/Macs get too stupid for words with their licensing, how safe or not they are, etc., I can fall back on Linux and no one can take that away from me.

Until or If that time ever comes, I will enjoy them all!

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Re: Windows Vs Linux
« Reply #5 on: March 23, 2014, 04:48:47 PM »
Panos, have you looked at Office Online?  I covered the recent update briefly here:  OneDrive + Office Online + Outlook.com.

LilBambi, thank you!  Your reply is excellent.  :rose:


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Re: Windows Vs Linux
« Reply #6 on: March 23, 2014, 05:11:27 PM »
LilBambi, thank you!  Your reply is excellent.  :rose:

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Re: Windows Vs Linux
« Reply #7 on: March 23, 2014, 05:23:15 PM »
Here is my contribution. When I first installed a linux distro in my pc I also had a pc with windows on it. I had them both set up with a KVM switch so I could use one monitor and one mouse for both computers. That way I could easily go back and forth which helped me delve into the linux world at my speed. I knew not a thing about linux other than what it was, a free operating system. In a very short time I was using my linux machine much more than windows. I kept my windows but it pretty much had cobwebs on it. Today I have a computer with windows 7 and a computer with Mephis Linux distro. I again use both. So yes someone that knows nothing about linux can use it but it takes a little time to get used to a new operating system. I did read a lot about linux so I could understand some of the terminology. I am not one that does command line, I prefer a nice easy to use GUI. So you can get by with just a little knowledge of command line. Again that is part of the learning curve.

As to programs from windows that you want to use in Linux, yes and no, some can be used with WINE, whether the ones you want to use will work again researching and learning. Like what is WINE. Remember that reading part here you go,
http://www.winehq.org/docs/wineusr-guide/what-is-wine
they do a much better job than I can.

And for what is linux this is a good place to start.
http://www.linuxfoundation.org/what-is-linux

You asked about updates, yes your linux distro on your pc will get updates just like your windows does, it has an auto updater similar to windows(different methods on different distros) that will alert you to new updates so you can install them. Very easy to do. There is also the upgrade to the newer or newest release of your distro. So don't get those 2 confused.

Using linux on an older machine is quite often done in in some cases is about all you can run on older machines. There are some distros of linux that are called light or light weight versions. They are smaller than some of the bigger beefier distros. For instance one of my favorite distros is Mephis, there is a light version called antix which is like a light version of Mephis.
One new distro that was created especially to help with this xp ending situation is linuxliteos it is light weight, comes well stocked with the essential programs the average user will need and is set up a lot like windows so it looks more familiar. https://www.linuxliteos.com/
https://www.linuxliteos.com/screenshots/index.php?album=Linux-Lite  some screen shots of what it looks like.
The great thing about so many linux distros is that you can make a live cd/dvd of it by burning the iso to disc, reboot your pc with the disc in the disc drive, and choose to try it, you don't want to install it. You can run the whole thing from your disc. That way you can see what it looks like on your pc, you can use it and see how you like it, you can go online and do the things you normally do like surf (all come with a browser), go check your web based email, etc. all right from the cd.
Nothing touches your windows OS. When done just remove the cd/dvd and reboot the pc back to your normal windows. You have the option of 32bit and 64bit just like with windows so know which you need. Here is a good simple guide for burning an iso. The top section how to burn a live cd and the in windows section.
http://www.kwheezy.com/en/weblog/2013/07/24/how-burn-live-cd/

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Re: Windows Vs Linux
« Reply #8 on: March 23, 2014, 05:33:50 PM »
WOW!!!!!!! Thank you ALL! Now I have to read and understand all these! I have no intention, at least now, to install Linux in my computer (Windows 7), but perhaps I will in my old XP one (I have not used it for more than two years). In addition, I love learning about computers and their possibilities!    :flowers: :flowers:   (for the Ladies)   :Hammys pint:   :Hammys pint:  (for the Gentlements)   :mitch:  (for me!!! )
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Re: Windows Vs Linux
« Reply #9 on: March 23, 2014, 05:55:06 PM »
LOL! Happy to help Panos!

Here's a little something I added to the above that I posted on my blog at Corrine's encouragement:

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I also want to say that my Jim was the one who helped me at first to get back into Linux  with Mandrake 7.2 since it was before BATL at Scot’s Newsletter Forums got started. But as I expanded in Linux I wanted to learn more and explore more, and that is where BATL and Bruno came in starting in 2003.

Also, another thing that was very important for me and that I mentioned in other postings, is that I use Mozilla Firefox and Google Chrome, Thunderbird email client which I used up till a year or two ago  (now using Postbox from the original developers of Thunderbird), The GIMP, Filezilla, LibreOffice and other Open Source and cross platform programs so in many ways it was an easier transition for me. I have a beautiful desktop and lack for nothing really that I use day to day when I use Linux. I think that if someone really wants to make a transition from one OS to another, making sure you are comfortable with cross platform programs really makes that so much easier.

I found it much easier for me to go to Linux and to Mac OS X for the same reason. When I use the various OSes: Windows, Mac, Linux, I am using the same programs across the board for most of my every day tasks.
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Re: Windows Vs Linux
« Reply #10 on: March 23, 2014, 06:12:10 PM »
I added my Linux Counter Number to the posting on my blog. I signed up with my first Linux install on: December 7, 2000. Will be 14 years ago in December.
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Re: Windows Vs Linux
« Reply #11 on: March 23, 2014, 06:41:36 PM »
Two ... stupid questions now:

1. I installed Libre Office, just to try it (and uninstalled it). Some of my complex docx files appeared completely different when I opened them in Libre Office. Why? If I cannot use my old documents, what's the purpose?

2. Can you please suggest some basic programs that can run in Linux? E.g.:
    a. Burning cds, dvds ... (e.g. Ashampoo in Windows)
    b. Audio and Video elaboration (e.g. IMTOO in Windows)
    c. Downloading from youtube (e.g. DVDVideoSoft)
    d. ... Something else you consider is important.

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Corrine, yes, I have read about Office Online. But I don't feel ready to save important projects online yet... That's why I don't want to use Dropbox or SkyDrive for saving purposes. I don't Know... I imagine that I will wake up one day and everything will disappeared!  :cheers:
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Re: Windows Vs Linux
« Reply #12 on: March 23, 2014, 07:07:34 PM »
I see a few have added their 2 cents worth so ill chime in with mine;-).
Here is another link for you to read......as if you needed another link with more to read about Linux;-D
http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?s=bca22d12002f51f1e47b9e2076f65f29&t=286575
It was several years ago when i was dragged kicking and screaming into Linux and i havent looked back since. The only reason i have Windows is because my isp will not work on anything if im using linux even though ill bet they are using Linux servers!. So i have W7 on another hard drive to plug into for the times im having dsl problems;-(.
One thing about duel boots.
If either system crashes then you may lose both because you cant boot into either.....at least that has been my experience;-(. In my main tower i have my main Linux system Mint 13-Mate and the W7 hard drive. Takes me just seconds to switch hard drives if needed for dsl problems.
LilBambi will correct me if im wrong but i believe there isnt anything you can do with Windows that you cant do with the right Linux system.
As far a low resourse system i would look at Puppy Linux also.
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Re: Windows Vs Linux
« Reply #13 on: March 23, 2014, 07:48:50 PM »
1. I installed Libre Office, just to try it (and uninstalled it). Some of my complex docx files appeared completely different when I opened them in Libre Office. Why? If I cannot use my old documents, what's the purpose?

That was the very type of thing that I was talking about. If it is not possible to use LibreOffice because it messes with your complex formatting, then you may be one of those folks that needs to use Microsoft Office and Office Web Apps may be a better choice.

BTW: You can save documents locally with Office Web Apps. But you may nor may not be able to do everything you need with Office Web Apps. There is a PCMag several page review on it that might help.

That doesn't mean you won't be able to try Linux, just means you have to think out of the box a bit for your particular situation.

2. Can you please suggest some basic programs that can run in Linux? E.g.:
    a. Burning cds, dvds ... (e.g. Ashampoo in Windows)
    b. Audio and Video elaboration (e.g. IMTOO in Windows)
    c. Downloading from youtube (e.g. DVDVideoSoft)
    d. ... Something else you consider is important.


a. k3b is one
b. Handbrake is one
c. there are plugins for Google Chrome for downloading videos from youtube, etc. GetThemAll Downloader is one.
d. screen capture program: several available, I use KSnapshot
    image viewing program: many avaialble including Geequie, Gwenview
    pdf viewer: Okular, and many others
    media players: vlc, SMPlayer, KMPlayer, Dragon Player, JuK Music Player, LXMusic
    browsers: Google Chrome (don't have to go looking for flash installation), Mozilla Firefox
    Instant Messenger programs: Kopete, Skype, etc.
    Feed Reader programs: Feed Reader, RSSOwl, etc.
    eMail programs: Thunderbird, KMail, etc.
    IRC: X-Chat, KVirc*, etc.

* KVirc is the first Linux program I complied myself because it was the closest to mIRC for Windows and it wasn't yet in the Mandrake Distro as a program I could just choose to install. Now KVirc is in all the distros.

Most of of these programs are available through the distribution of Linux you choose. I only link to the pages for the programs so you can see what they are.

NOTE: Any links to Sourceforge, be sure to get the zip file NOT the exe file if you want to try out any Windows versions. Apparently sourceforge has done the evil thing and adds a bunch of crapware to the executable downloads.
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Re: Windows Vs Linux
« Reply #14 on: March 23, 2014, 07:50:20 PM »
Great posting over at WildersSecurity, Ghost!  :thumbsup:
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