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Title: CCleaner build/version discussion
Post by: siljaline on June 25, 2014, 05:35:38 PM
Waiting on slim (http://forum.piriform.com/index.php?showtopic=32484)
Title: Re: CCleaner build/version discussion
Post by: LilBambi on June 26, 2014, 12:45:25 PM
If Slim build means Portable, it's up now:

http://www.piriform.com/ccleaner/builds
Title: Re: CCleaner build/version discussion
Post by: winchester73 on June 26, 2014, 01:06:25 PM
If Slim build means Portable, it's up now:

http://www.piriform.com/ccleaner/builds

Nope, Slim is Slim.  It is identical to the standard version but does not offer to install a toolbar. It is usually made available a week or so after the standard version is released.

For anyone else reading this, as an FYI ... the Portable version is a special edition that can be carried around on a removable drive. and run without leaving a footprint in the Windows registry.
Title: Re: CCleaner build/version discussion
Post by: siljaline on June 26, 2014, 02:31:59 PM
There has been confirmations of Google Chrome within the installer in non slim versions - beware.
Title: Re: CCleaner build/version discussion
Post by: LilBambi on June 26, 2014, 06:29:04 PM
Yes, I noticed that Google Chrome has been offered of late instead of toolbars in CCleaner installer.

I like the idea of Slim without those items being pushed. Thanks for that info Winchester. Was not aware of Slim till this thread. Nice!  :mitch:
Title: Re: CCleaner build/version discussion
Post by: winchester73 on June 26, 2014, 06:44:36 PM
IMO, Slim is the way to go  :D
Title: Re: CCleaner build/version discussion
Post by: satrow on June 26, 2014, 08:05:01 PM
I download the Portable and extract the included .exe files to overwrite the installed version's files, saves waiting for the Slim build.
Title: Re: CCleaner build/version discussion
Post by: winchester73 on June 30, 2014, 01:38:54 PM
Slim is now available  :D
Title: Re: CCleaner build/version discussion
Post by: winchester73 on July 24, 2014, 07:07:32 PM
Split off from the CCleaner update thread
Title: Re: CCleaner build/version discussion
Post by: siljaline on July 24, 2014, 07:16:53 PM
Awaiting Slim (http://forum.piriform.com/index.php?showtopic=32484)  :cool:
Title: Re: CCleaner build/version discussion
Post by: winchester73 on July 24, 2014, 07:21:38 PM
Awaiting Slim (http://forum.piriform.com/index.php?showtopic=32484)  :cool:

 :laughing:

Here we go again   :hallo:
Title: Re: CCleaner build/version discussion
Post by: siljaline on July 25, 2014, 01:04:58 AM
Just having a bit of a poke (http://hxxp://dslrpedia.com/wiki/Hayc59)  :tongue:
Title: Re: CCleaner build/version discussion
Post by: hayc59 on July 25, 2014, 01:40:55 AM
yes here we go again!!
Title: Re: CCleaner build/version discussion
Post by: Digerati on July 25, 2014, 12:01:36 PM
Slim may be the way to go but I sure would not wait a week for it to come. Frankly, I think Piriform's intent is good, but I don't think the results necessarily are. The reason I say that is because EVERYONE should ALWAYS choose the "Custom Install" option whenever installing ANY program, regardless its source. And I worry someone will become complacent with slim versions and assume they are getting a clean, fluff-free installation of ONLY the program you want. While I trust Piriform to not violate that "understanding", they can - if not intentionally, by accident. And certainly other companies may not be trustworthy at all.

So even if installing the Slim version, users still need to choose the Custom Install option. And since the Custom Install option on the full package allows you to opt-out of extras (not to mention, allows you to install CCleaner on the drive and under the folder of YOUR choice, not theirs), I say go for the full package to ensure you have the most recent version.

The only time I really recommend the slim version is for those running out of disk space and I don't generally do that because Windows Disk Cleanup is already installed - it does not really make sense to install yet another program that takes up space when disk space is already at a premium.
Title: Re: CCleaner build/version discussion
Post by: siljaline on July 26, 2014, 05:35:03 PM
Slim build is seven to ten days from the bloated (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloatware) version - whichever comes first.

Title: Re: CCleaner build/version discussion
Post by: siljaline on July 28, 2014, 05:24:01 PM
Slim is out via the builds (http://www.piriform.com/ccleaner/builds) link.
Title: Re: CCleaner build/version discussion
Post by: hayc59 on August 27, 2014, 12:09:58 AM
Those awaiting the Slim version might be waiting a long time :)
http://www.majorgeeks.com/news/story/has_piriform_pulled_the_%E2%80%9Cslim%E2%80%9D_version_of_ccleaner.html
Title: Re: CCleaner build/version discussion
Post by: Corrine on August 27, 2014, 01:05:49 AM
The Slim version is always released aroound 5 days after an update so I think his post is a tad bit preliminary since the update was released today.
Title: Re: CCleaner build/version discussion
Post by: JDBush61 on August 27, 2014, 02:56:15 AM
The Slim version is always released aroound 5 days after an update so I think his post is a tad bit preliminary since the update was released today.

Hi Corrine, this thread, as well as the Majorgeeks thread that hayc59 linked to, got me to thinking about "slim" versions (which I never thought about before). How does one know if they are downloading the slim version of various programs, not just CCleaner? And, what is actually "bundled" into the bloated versions? Maybe Chrome? I always use the free versions, and I assumed that there would be a check box to opt out of bundled software. Is something secretly bundled with the free version of CCleaner that gets planted into the registry?
Title: Re: CCleaner build/version discussion
Post by: Corrine on August 27, 2014, 12:32:21 PM
Hi, John.

If there are different versions of a software program available, they will be provided on the download page.  As to the bundling that is referred to, that is adware.  It is unwanted, unneeded extras and includes toolbars and browser hijacks which redirect search results.   There are some software installers that are very tricky -- unless the prechecked options for including those extras are not unchecked in a particular order, the some portion will still be installed.  That is why it is recommended to read each screen when installing a software program and to avoid "download sites" like C|Net and locate the developer's website. 

Although not all inclusive, CoU maintains a couple of helpful lists about programs that includes unwanted extras.  See Installers Hall of Shame (Unwanted add-on) (http://www.calendarofupdates.com/updates/index.php?app=calendar&module=calendar&section=view&do=showevent&event_id=44514) and Products with Ask Toolbar (http://www.calendarofupdates.com/updates/index.php?app=calendar&module=calendar&section=view&do=showevent&event_id=44516).



Title: Re: CCleaner build/version discussion
Post by: Digerati on August 27, 2014, 01:00:26 PM
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Is something secretly bundled with the free version of CCleaner that gets planted into the registry?
No! Piriform is not a malicious company that uses secret tricks to foist junk on our systems. But as with ALL software, users need to select the custom install options when installing ANY software to at least have the opportunity to opt-out of extras, or to install in other than the default location.

Clearly, that MG poster is missing something because the slim version is clearly available from the Piriform website (http://www.piriform.com/ccleaner/builds). Plus, note the slim version is the latest version too, which was just released yesterday. No 5-day wait necessary (which, frankly, I don't think I have ever seen).

And BTW, while I have nothing against MG, note that download sites often bundle these extras - it is not always the developers. Plus, downloads sites are almost always behind the developer with the latest updates. Maybe by just a day or two, but sometimes much longer. Also, some download sites "brand" the programs with their site's name. :( I say why use a download site when you can get the most current (and unmodified) program right from the developer?


Title: Re: CCleaner build/version discussion
Post by: JDBush61 on August 27, 2014, 02:09:05 PM
Hi, Corrine  :rose: & Digerati. Thank you for your prompt replies.

Even though I usually download the free versions of certain software, CCleaner included, I always try to pay strict attention to each screen in order to avoid the bundled (unwanted) software. I'll pay even closer attention from this point forward. It never dawned on me that I needed to "select the custom install options" to make sure that I was downloading the slim versions, and like the average dummy, I usually allow the downloads to install to the default locations. Oh well, live and learn. Thanks again.
Title: Re: CCleaner build/version discussion
Post by: Digerati on August 27, 2014, 03:26:47 PM
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It never dawned on me that I needed to "select the custom install options" to make sure that I was downloading the slim versions, and like the average dummy,
No, you select the custom install options because that option takes you to the page where you can opt-out of any extras (and select a different install location - such as on a secondary drive or partition). If you don't select the custom install option, you get the default install, and that will include the extras you may not want without giving you any opt-out options.

So even if installing the Slim version of CCleaner, pick the custom install option. Then you can install it where you want, or just accept the default, and you can install it to just you, or all users too.
Title: Re: CCleaner build/version discussion
Post by: ky331 on August 27, 2014, 04:34:02 PM
Perhaps, to refute all this speculation, the SLIM build has been released... sooner than the expected 5-day waiting period.
Title: Re: CCleaner build/version discussion
Post by: Corrine on August 27, 2014, 05:15:34 PM
Excellent point, ky331.
Title: Re: CCleaner build/version discussion
Post by: siljaline on August 28, 2014, 02:32:15 AM
The folks at Piriform aka CCleaner averted a PR disaster and released slim in lieu of waiving the usual ten day wait period. 
Title: Re: CCleaner build/version discussion
Post by: Digerati on August 28, 2014, 01:06:48 PM
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The folks at Piriform aka CCleaner averted a PR disaster and released slim in lieu of waiving the usual ten day wait period. 
I totally disagree with that.

PR disaster? Not hardly! Most folks never heard of the slim version and  no one really "needs" the slim version so it would be missed by only a few who have been spoiled rotten by this nice option. And I say spoiled because the vast majority of software makers don't provide such an option.

There is no "usual" ten day wait period! And never has and I have been using and recommending (and fighting for) CCleaner long before it officially became "CCleaner". Back when it was almost automatically shunned simply because it contained a Registry cleaning feature. 

In fact, as I noted above in post #20, I don't believe there is even a 5 day wait period as the latest slim version was posted on the same day as the regular versions.  No wait at all!
Title: Re: CCleaner build/version discussion
Post by: siljaline on August 28, 2014, 02:04:09 PM
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The folks at Piriform aka CCleaner averted a PR disaster and released slim in lieu of waiving the usual ten day wait period. 
I totally disagree with that.  PR disaster? Not hardly!
Everyone has an opinion - that doesn't necessarily mean we have to agree. This is the first instance that Piriform have released Slim out-of-the-gate. I'm quite sure it was as a result of the bad PR with Major Greeks. 
Title: Re: CCleaner build/version discussion
Post by: winchester73 on August 28, 2014, 02:10:21 PM
I can't recall another instance where I didn't have to wait a few days for the slim build to be released.
Title: Re: CCleaner build/version discussion
Post by: Corrine on August 28, 2014, 02:41:09 PM
Even though I usually download the free versions of certain software, CCleaner included, I always try to pay strict attention to each screen in order to avoid the bundled (unwanted) software. I'll pay even closer attention from this point forward.

Although not foolproof, you may be interested in Unchecky (http://www.landzdown.com/general-software-news-updates-discussions/unchecky/new/#new). 
Title: Re: CCleaner build/version discussion
Post by: Digerati on August 28, 2014, 03:01:21 PM
Quote from: siljaline
Everyone has an opinion - that doesn't necessarily mean we have to agree.
You are entitled to your opinion - as long as it is based on fact. And the following is NOT a fact!

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This is the first instance that Piriform have released Slim out-of-the-gate.
:( Not even! Not by a long shot! Just because you have not seen it before does not make it so.

I am NOT saying they always post a slim version on the same day, but I am saying there is not a policy of a 5-day wait period (and definitely not a 10-day wait period). And I am saying that Piriform often posts all versions on the same day, or at least within a day or two of each other. That said, on rare occasions, I have seen waits of more than 2 weeks.

If you have ever worked in a software development company (and I did for 10 years), you know that version management, or "revision control" is a PITA when there multiple versions floating around. It is not logistically, or economically efficient to expend resources managing different release dates for the same versions of software.

Quote from: winchester73
I can't recall another instance where I didn't have to wait a few days for the slim build to be released.
And are you suggesting, like saljaline, that EVERY TIME Piriform releases a new CCleaner update you check the SAME DAY to see if a slim version has been released?

It should be noted, in terms of development, the Slim version comes first as that is the program. The "junk" is then added to the slim version to make the full, junk filled version.

It should also be noted, and Corrine can vouch for this, that I doubt there is anyone on this site that has been more of a proponent of CCleaner, or even a regular user of CCleaner longer than me. It is by far, one my favorite programs (including the Registry cleaning feature) that has been installed on all (and I maintain quite a few) my systems (as part of the initial build process) for well over 10 years.
Title: Re: CCleaner build/version discussion
Post by: MikeW on August 28, 2014, 04:07:37 PM
I am another long time user and forum member Ccleaner. Until about 3 years ago the slim version was indeed issued at the same time as the full version. However, since then it is usually issued several days after the standard update. Probably to meet there obligations to google. Any regular user of the forum is well aware of this situation. The full version when installed will not offer any extras once you have declined it once IE further updates will not offer any add ons. So worrying about the slim version is pointless in MHO
Title: Re: CCleaner build/version discussion
Post by: winchester73 on August 28, 2014, 04:22:00 PM
And are you suggesting, like saljaline, that EVERY TIME Piriform releases a new CCleaner update you check the SAME DAY to see if a slim version has been released?


EVERY TIME an update is released, I check the builds page to see if slim is available.  I check once a day until it does appear, at which point I download it.  It typically takes about 4-6 days for the slim build to appear.

Until about 3 years ago the slim version was indeed issued at the same time as the full version. However, since then it is usually issued several days after the standard update.

That is my recollection as well.


Title: Re: CCleaner build/version discussion
Post by: MikeW on August 28, 2014, 05:17:03 PM
Note the date in this post from a long time moderator on the Piriform forum

Posted 08 May 2011 - 07:38 AM

The Slim build is posted on the Builds page here http://www.piriform....ccleaner/builds several days after the Standard build has been released.

Please realize that here on the forum we have no control over the waiting period for the Slim, so if you don't want to wait, download the Standard build instead and just untick any offers you don't want installed, or download the Portable build, extract it over your version and delete portable.dat.

Thank you. Posted Image

Please Note The version in "U3 Format" has been retired by Piriform. We apologize to anyone who might still be using it.
Title: Re: CCleaner build/version discussion
Post by: Digerati on August 28, 2014, 06:24:40 PM
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EVERY TIME an update is released, I check the builds page to see if slim is available.  I check once a day until it does appear, at which point I download it.  It typically takes about 4-6 days for the slim build to appear.

Interesting. And you watch for and know EVERY TIME a new update is released? While it is typically once a month around the same day, it is not on the same day every month.

That said, I see no reason to wait until the slim version comes out. When I fire up CCleaner, I check for updates before using and install when available. That way, I know I am using the latest version.

I don't allow CCleaner to automatically check for updates as that requires yet another full time updater running - and IMO, that is not necessary when a program is not used every single day. Windows itself, and my anti-malware yes, but not utilities. That's just another reason to go custom install - so you don't clutter your system and bandwidth with unnecessary services running all the time.
Title: Re: CCleaner build/version discussion
Post by: winchester73 on August 28, 2014, 06:40:56 PM

Interesting. And you watch for and know EVERY TIME a new update is released? While it is typically once a month around the same day, it is not on the same day every month.


Well ... someone has to post the updates here:  http://www.landzdown.com/general-software-news-updates-discussions/ccleaner-updates-55618/

 :D

Title: Re: CCleaner build/version discussion
Post by: JDBush61 on August 29, 2014, 12:10:58 AM
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Is something secretly bundled with the free version of CCleaner that gets planted into the registry?
No! Piriform is not a malicious company that uses secret tricks to foist junk on our systems. But as with ALL software, users need to select the custom install options when installing ANY software to at least have the opportunity to opt-out of extras, or to install in other than the default location.

Clearly, that MG poster is missing something because the slim version is clearly available from the Piriform website (http://www.piriform.com/ccleaner/builds). Plus, note the slim version is the latest version too, which was just released yesterday. No 5-day wait necessary (which, frankly, I don't think I have ever seen).

And BTW, while I have nothing against MG, note that download sites often bundle these extras - it is not always the developers. Plus, downloads sites are almost always behind the developer with the latest updates. Maybe by just a day or two, but sometimes much longer. Also, some download sites "brand" the programs with their site's name. :( I say why use a download site when you can get the most current (and unmodified) program right from the developer?

Understood. Yesterday, I uninstalled my free version of CCleaner via Control Panel > Programs and Features > Uninstall or change a program, and then downloaded their slim version from their website. Can I now assume that there is nothing from the previous version of CCleaner hiding in my registry or elsewhere? How does one go about checking that?
Title: Re: CCleaner build/version discussion
Post by: Corrine on August 29, 2014, 12:56:46 AM
John, unless it was changed, unless unchecked, the CCleaner full version offered the Yahoo Toolbar.  As Digerati said, nothing malicious, just a toolbar that they would be paid by Yahoo per install.  If you didn't have the toolbar, then you had unchecked the offer when you installed CCleaner.  You may also want to take a look at my post about Unchecky (http://www.landzdown.com/general-software-news-updates-discussions/unchecky/new/#new).
Title: Re: CCleaner build/version discussion
Post by: JDBush61 on August 29, 2014, 01:34:11 AM
John, unless it was changed, unless unchecked, the CCleaner full version offered the Yahoo Toolbar.  As Digerati said, nothing malicious, just a toolbar that they would be paid by Yahoo per install.  If you didn't have the toolbar, then you had unchecked the offer when you installed CCleaner.  You may also want to take a look at my post about Unchecky (http://www.landzdown.com/general-software-news-updates-discussions/unchecky/new/#new).

Hi, Corrine. Thank you for your reply.

I just read your post about "Unchecky", and will give that program a look-see.
For Pale Moon, as well as Explorer, I actually use Yahoo for the homepage when they are fired up.
Thus, what is a "Yahoo Toolbar"? Does CCleaner not install it on my machine because I use Yahoo already?
Sorry for the stupid question, just a little confused.

By the way, your reply prompts me to ask something that I've been thinking for quite some time now. That is, I'm probably similar to many other folks who visit Landzdown in regard to wondering what security programs/software you and the other experts here actually "use" (i.e., have installed) on their computers.  I am somewhat able to read between the lines and get a general gist of what you and the others are using, yet it would be hugely beneficial to me if, for example, when you post about programs like Unchecky you would also tell us if "you" personally use it, if you like it, etc.

I certainly don't wish to encroach on anyone's privacy, yet I often wonder what you and the other experts actually have installed and find useful. For me, and maybe for many others, a thread describing which programs we each personally use on a regular basis would be very helpful. Kind of a benchmark, so to speak. As you know, I use Norton 360 (which, if I remember, you maybe don't like), yet I also have free versions of CCleaner (now slim), Malwarebytes, Malwarebytes Ant-Exploit, SUPERAntispyware, SpywareBlaster, CryptoPrevent, TrojanHunter (trial version), and Belarc Advisor currently installed. Thus, I have no idea if I have "too much" security software installed, as well as if these free programs conflict with one another or are maybe just "junk". I currently experience no problems with them all installed, yet just wondering. Kind of like wondering which clubs your favorite golfing champ uses.
Title: Re: CCleaner build/version discussion
Post by: JDBush61 on August 29, 2014, 03:29:36 AM
Ooops, I forgot to mention, I also have WinPatrol (free version) installed.

So, to recap:

Norton 360
WinPatrol
Malwarebytes
Malwarebytes Anti-Exploit
SUPERAntispyware
SpywareBlaster
CryptoPrevent
TrojanHunter
CCleaner


Hmmmm, I realize an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure, but that seems like a ton of security for one small laptop.  :smiley:
 
Title: Re: CCleaner build/version discussion
Post by: siljaline on August 29, 2014, 03:48:37 AM
It would seem the gloves are off between Major Greeks (http://www.majorgeeks.com/news/story/has_piriform_pulled_the_%E2%80%9Cslim%E2%80%9D_version_of_ccleaner.html) and Piriform (http://forum.piriform.com/index.php?showtopic=41652) which seems to have gotten ugly really fast. If I could recuse myself from the latter conversation - I probably would but that would break context of the said thread.
Title: Re: CCleaner build/version discussion
Post by: siljaline on August 29, 2014, 03:53:01 AM
John, unless it was changed, unless unchecked, the CCleaner full version offered the Yahoo Toolbar.  As Digerati said, nothing malicious, just a toolbar that they would be paid by Yahoo per install.  If you didn't have the toolbar, then you had unchecked the offer when you installed CCleaner.  You may also want to take a look at my post about Unchecky (http://www.landzdown.com/general-software-news-updates-discussions/unchecky/new/#new).
That presents the argument of how much damage and how invasive a Toolbar can be as they do introduce unwanted MSCONFIG items and Windows Services. 
Title: Re: CCleaner build/version discussion
Post by: JDBush61 on August 29, 2014, 04:03:09 AM
John, unless it was changed, unless unchecked, the CCleaner full version offered the Yahoo Toolbar.  As Digerati said, nothing malicious, just a toolbar that they would be paid by Yahoo per install.  If you didn't have the toolbar, then you had unchecked the offer when you installed CCleaner.  You may also want to take a look at my post about Unchecky (http://www.landzdown.com/general-software-news-updates-discussions/unchecky/new/#new).
That presents the argument of how much damage and how invasive a Toolbar can be as they do introduce unwanted MSCONFIG items and Windows Services.

siljaline, could you please explain that to me in more detail? What's a toolbar? What are the unwanted MSCONFIG items and Windows Services that it introduces, and why/how does it do it? 
Title: Re: CCleaner build/version discussion
Post by: siljaline on August 29, 2014, 04:24:07 AM
Sure ! A Toolbar could introduce what we call in the industry a "PUA" - or Potentially Unwanted Application, see ESET's definition of a PUA (http://url=http://virusradar.com/en/glossary/pua). Software like Adobe Reader introduces unwanted start-up items to MSCONFIG that can be user launched such as Adobe ARM (http://www.systemlookup.com/Startup/20618-AdobeARM_exe.html).

This is quite technical and should be left to those that are fully aware of what should be disabled at these levels of your operating system.

Title: Re: CCleaner build/version discussion
Post by: siljaline on August 29, 2014, 04:43:26 AM
PUA explained as I was unable to fix broken link in my reply:
http://virusradar.com/en/glossary/pua

See also malware | greyware.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malware#Grayware
Title: Re: CCleaner build/version discussion
Post by: JDBush61 on August 29, 2014, 05:15:12 AM
PUA explained as I was unable to fix broken link in my reply:
http://virusradar.com/en/glossary/pua

See also malware | greyware.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malware#Grayware

Thanks for the above links, as well as your other response regarding Adobe ARM. I'll give them a read.

I'm certainly no tech wiz, but I would like to be at least "half-way aware" of what should not be disabled on my operating system.
I'm usually very careful when installing programs, and updates. I scan each window carefully to avoid installing unwanted
bundled "stuff"; e.g., Chrome. I become worried only if there is bundled stuff that the install windows don't provide a check box to opt out of.

As I mentioned above, I uninstalled the regular free CCleaner, and installed the slim version. Everything seems to work peachy.
Today, I followed your links to the discussions at MG and Piriform, and it appears that nothing is secretly bundled with the regular free version after all, yet I could still be wrong.

Again, thanks!
Title: Re: CCleaner build/version discussion
Post by: siljaline on August 29, 2014, 11:13:40 AM
Again, thanks!
Most welcome. 
Title: Re: CCleaner build/version discussion
Post by: Digerati on August 29, 2014, 02:45:18 PM
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As I mentioned above, I uninstalled the regular free CCleaner, and installed the slim version.
Then you just wasted your time as the CCleaner installed is the exact same, regardless the download option you used.

As seen here (http://www.piriform.com/ccleaner/builds), these are not "versions" but "download builds".
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it appears that nothing is secretly bundled with the regular free version after all, yet I could still be wrong.
You are not wrong - at least when it comes to Piriform products.
Title: Re: CCleaner build/version discussion
Post by: siljaline on August 29, 2014, 03:20:08 PM
I know I'm not wrong nor am I confused. Some tend to run with it - as it were with software they are passionate about. I would not be one that is a CCleaner _lover_ ; it serves a purpose but doesn't necessarily merit praise.
Title: Re: CCleaner build/version discussion
Post by: Digerati on August 29, 2014, 03:44:24 PM
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it serves a purpose but doesn't necessarily merit praise.
I guess that depends on your expectations.

My expectations are that it first and foremost, works. That it is not overly aggressive, or a resource hog. And it is easy to use. CCleaner meets or exceeds all those, and more.

Does that mean everyone should have it? No! Why? Because the "basic" "Disk Cleanup" tool that comes with all versions of Windows is just fine for the vast majority or users. But if a user needs something more than Windows "Disk Cleanup", I recommend CCleaner.
Title: Re: CCleaner build/version discussion
Post by: siljaline on August 29, 2014, 04:51:04 PM
Unless something specific to the software is as at issue (or) a problem accessing something somewhere from Piriform - I will be lurking this thread but not posting assuming there's no new updates. 

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Title: Re: CCleaner build/version discussion
Post by: JDBush61 on August 29, 2014, 09:15:45 PM
Then you just wasted your time

I came to that realization prior to your post, but I do appreciate you pointing it out.
Title: Re: CCleaner build/version discussion
Post by: Digerati on August 30, 2014, 01:07:58 PM
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I came to that realization prior to your post, but I do appreciate you pointing it out.
Well, the process ensured you had the latest version! A good thing!  :D
Title: Re: CCleaner build/version discussion
Post by: JDBush61 on August 30, 2014, 03:28:40 PM
Well, the process ensured you had the latest version! A good thing!  :D

Well, seeing that I'm a busy man with limited free time, the amount of effort spent compared with the returns was more than optimal. Dictum sapienti sat est.
Title: Re: CCleaner build/version discussion
Post by: LilBambi on August 31, 2014, 05:26:15 PM
CCleaner (originally Crap Cleaner) is a great program.

I do not use the registry cleaner except for surgical removals and my clients are to leave things alone and just run CCleaner so they don't muck with the settings. And to make it easier to do it daily after they close the browser, I have them right click on the Recycle Bin and choose Run CCleaner from the dropdown menu.

I have CCleaner set to leave the Logs and Memory Dumps alone and special settings to not mess with their browsers personal settings.

CCleaner is worth it's weight in gold. I just wish Piriform would also allow donations from home users and leave the 'add ons' unchecked.
Title: Re: CCleaner build/version discussion
Post by: Digerati on August 31, 2014, 06:36:13 PM
Hmmm, I guess we have different definitions of surgical removal. To me, a surgical removal involves me using Regedit to remove individual entries and Windows Explorer (File Explorer now) to remove individual program files and folders, and start menu/desktop shortcuts.

CCleaner (and Windows Disk Cleanup and other cleaning tools) is pretty much an all inclusive, broad-sweeping tool - though you can use it to remove a specific cookie or Restore Point, which is nice. And you can tag cookies to keep during cleaning for sites you visit often - a feature I really like.
Title: Re: CCleaner build/version discussion
Post by: ky331 on September 25, 2014, 10:48:15 PM
CCleaner v4.18.4842 (25 Sep 2014)

- Added Active System Monitoring for Free-version users
 - Improved Firefox Saved Password cleaning.
 - Improved Opera History cleaning.
 - Improved 64-bit build architecture for Window 8 and 8.1.
 - Added Ashampoo Burning Studio 14, XnView and FastStone Capture cleaning.
 - Improved localization support.
 - Minor GUI Improvements.
 - Minor bug fixes.

Emphasis here is that a new Startup item and tray icon are added (as detected by WinPatrol:) 
        CCleaner Monitoring (CCleaner.exe /MONITOR). 
Looking in CCleaner under OPTIONS / Monitoring, the box to Enable System Monitoring is PRE-CHECKED.   It appears this will have CCleaner run continually in the background, to prompt the user to clean his/her system whenever doing so would save more than .5 GB.   [There are other menus/options here, which are restricted to the PRO version.]   Personally, I have to question whether this feature is really worth it, regardless of how little system resources it might use in so doing.   For more information [which was originally written-up as applying to the PRO version], see http://www.piriform.com/docs/ccleaner/ccleaner-settings/changing-monitoring-settings-ccleaner-professional

NOTE:  To remove the Startup entry, and disable the tray icon, there are TWO steps required:

1) First, under Options/Monitoring, UNcheck the box to Enable SYSTEM Monitor.

2) Then, you must go to Options/Advanced, and UNcheck the box to Enable ACTIVE Monitoring.
Title: Re: CCleaner build/version discussion
Post by: winchester73 on September 25, 2014, 11:22:14 PM
I've been a long time user, but I'm not a fan of this new "feature". I'm certainly not going to install the update, seems silly to jump disabling hoops for a few minor tweaks. I'm also capable of deciding for myself when my computer needs to be "cleaned".  :blink:

Nobody, repeat nobody, needs a disk cleaner to perform Active System Monitoring ... or another background process that's enabled by default.
Title: Re: CCleaner build/version discussion
Post by: JDBush61 on September 25, 2014, 11:47:48 PM
I use CCleaner quite regularly, and it never has presented any problems. I imagine (blindly) that the folks at Piriform know what they're doing, so like with all software updates, when I see "bug fixes" (even if minor) and "improvements", I usually just cross my fingers and update. However, I'm not a big fan of programs continually running in the background, so it's nice that the active monitoring can be disabled.
Title: Re: CCleaner build/version discussion
Post by: JDBush61 on September 26, 2014, 12:13:36 AM
Just updated to the new version and got an interesting warning pop-up when UNchecking the Active Monitoring.
Title: Re: CCleaner build/version discussion
Post by: ky331 on September 26, 2014, 09:23:09 AM
Yes, CCleaner offers that "warning" when you choose to disable its latest "feature".  I would describe it as a "scare tactic", pressuring users into keeping Active Monitoring enabled. For those who intentionally wish to disable active monitoring, it's safe to proceed here.
Title: Re: CCleaner build/version discussion
Post by: MikeW on September 26, 2014, 11:38:42 AM
Sadly this version has some bugs. This latest addition of system monitoring can not be stopped. Piriform has yet to respond to this bug alert. I have uninstalled this version and reverted to the previous.
Title: Re: CCleaner build/version discussion
Post by: winchester73 on September 26, 2014, 12:11:04 PM
Discussion here:  http://forum.piriform.com/index.php?showtopic=41843

"until a bug fix version of CCleaner is released" (Andavari):  http://forum.piriform.com/index.php?showtopic=41851
Title: Re: CCleaner build/version discussion
Post by: winchester73 on September 26, 2014, 02:03:30 PM
Quote
This time the big addition is a limited version of Active System Monitoring, a smart feature previously reserved for the commercial CCleaner Professional. Turn it on and CCleaner monitors your system, checking for junk, and lets you know when it’s time to clean up.

What you don’t get is browser monitoring, or any control over what CCleaner does when triggered (it just displays a message): those features are still Professional-only.

http://www.softwarecrew.com/2014/09/ccleaner-4-18-brings-active-system-monitoring-to-the-free-edition/
Title: Re: CCleaner build/version discussion
Post by: Digerati on September 26, 2014, 03:30:28 PM
I can confirm this works,
Quote
To remove the Startup entry, and disable the tray icon, there are TWO steps required:

1) First, under Options/Monitoring, UNcheck the box to Enable SYSTEM Monitor.

2) Then, you must go to Options/Advanced, and UNcheck the box to Enable ACTIVE Monitoring.
After doing this, which is pretty easy to do, and fairly obvious once you step through the Options page options for a look, I no longer get a system tray icon and Scotty stops waking up my dog. So no need to edit the Registry or ccleaner's ini file.

I am not sure I understand all the fuss. Yes, disabling the feature should be a simple and obvious one-step process so they need to fix that, and perhaps the option should be disabled by default - but it should be no surprise when ANY software maker adds a new feature and enables it by default.

But beyond that, CCleaner still works as expected and I am not going to uninstall this latest version.
Title: Re: CCleaner build/version discussion
Post by: MikeW on September 26, 2014, 04:48:45 PM
...and the released bug fix continues to have a bug.  Not bad for a totaly useless feature
Title: Re: CCleaner build/version discussion
Post by: Digerati on September 26, 2014, 04:59:01 PM
...and the released bug fix continues to have a bug.  Not bad for a totaly useless feature
Yeah, they seem to be running around in circles at this point. I note my CC says V4.18.4842 it is out of date and takes me to the 4844 (http://www.piriform.com/ccleaner/update?v=4.18.4842&l=1033&o=6.3W6) update page, but when I install that update, it still says I am at 4842. :(
Title: Re: CCleaner build/version discussion
Post by: winchester73 on September 26, 2014, 05:00:05 PM
Another complaint thread:  http://forum.piriform.com/index.php?showtopic=41858

4.18.4844 announcement:  http://forum.piriform.com/index.php?showtopic=41860
Title: Re: CCleaner build/version discussion
Post by: Digerati on September 26, 2014, 05:26:56 PM
Okay I got 4844 installed. It looks like the only change is now both the check boxes (Enable system monitoring and Enable Active Monitoring) are now under the Monitoring section, instead of Monitoring for one and Advanced for the other.

Works for me.

Title: Re: CCleaner build/version discussion
Post by: JDBush61 on September 26, 2014, 09:00:14 PM
Did the same. No complaints. It's nice that the active monitoring is now a user option as opposed to being preselected.
Title: Re: CCleaner build/version discussion
Post by: winchester73 on September 29, 2014, 01:46:37 PM
Slim is up:  http://www.piriform.com/ccleaner/builds
Title: Re: CCleaner build/version discussion
Post by: Basil on September 29, 2014, 03:01:37 PM
Thank you Winchester 73. Just downloaded slim version.
No problem disabling active monitoring.... :mitch:
Title: Re: CCleaner build/version discussion
Post by: siljaline on November 25, 2014, 02:17:31 PM
Version 5.0 is out of Beta and is available for download - Note slim build is not up yet.
http://www.piriform.com/ccleaner/builds Announced at Piriform here (http://www.piriform.com/blog/2014/11/25/ccleaner-v50)

Give me at h/t for the copy/paste crowd if this leaks somewhere else.
Title: Re: CCleaner build/version discussion
Post by: ky331 on November 25, 2014, 04:18:05 PM
5.0 New GUI :

Title: Re: CCleaner build/version discussion
Post by: siljaline on November 25, 2014, 05:57:05 PM
I'm reading elsewhere, the new UI is very Windows Metro (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metro_(design_language))

Title: Re: CCleaner build/version discussion
Post by: MikeW on December 16, 2014, 08:21:13 PM
Be careful using the latest version. It is causing a lot of problems with network and wifi connections.
Title: Re: CCleaner build/version discussion
Post by: winchester73 on December 20, 2014, 11:06:35 AM
5.01.5075 was released on 18 December ... did that fix things?
Title: Re: CCleaner build/version discussion
Post by: MikeW on December 20, 2014, 11:32:18 AM
Maybe! As usual Piriform has made no comment, ( they never admit mistakes) Its the registry cleaner that had issues. I will no longer update beyond the last of the 4 series.
Title: Re: CCleaner build/version discussion
Post by: winchester73 on December 20, 2014, 12:25:00 PM
I've stayed with 4.19.4867 myself  :)

Quote
Its the registry cleaner that had issues.

I don't use a registry cleaner  :cheers2:
Title: Re: CCleaner build/version discussion
Post by: Basil on December 20, 2014, 03:53:39 PM
I've stayed with 4.19.4867 myself  :)

Quote
Its the registry cleaner that had issues.

I don't use a registry cleaner  :cheers2:

Ditto  :twisted:
Title: Re: CCleaner build/version discussion
Post by: ky331 on January 26, 2015, 02:03:55 PM
CCleaner v5.02.5101 (26 Jan 2015)


Version 5.02 is our first CCleaner update of the year and we're looking forward to exciting things to come in 2015!

This release sees a focus on Firefox, with improvements to cleaning of download history, local storage and cookies. We've also optimized the scanning process in our new disk analyzer tool.

On top of this, Google Chrome 64-bit support has been improved!


Change log:
◦Improved Firefox Local Storage and Cookie cleaning
◦Improved Google Chrome 64-bit support
◦Improved Firefox Download History analysis and cleaning
◦Optimized Disk Analyzer scanning process
◦Improved detection and cleaning of portable browsers
◦Updated various translations
◦Minor GUI Improvements
◦Minor bug fixes




http://www.piriform.com/ccleaner/builds

Either be careful to UNcheck any pre-checked offers for bundled programs/toolbars (unless you really want them)... or else, wait a few days until the SLIM build is released.
Title: Re: CCleaner build/version discussion
Post by: siljaline on February 26, 2015, 09:54:31 PM
There were issues reported downloading Slim earlier but that seems to have been fixed.
http://www.piriform.com/ccleaner/download/slim
Title: Re: CCleaner build/version discussion
Post by: plodr on June 25, 2015, 01:24:26 PM
Anyone having problems getting the portable version to download?
It sends me to 2 other pages and by the time I get to the 2nd page, I'm not sure if I will actually be getting the portable version.
Title: Re: CCleaner build/version discussion
Post by: hayc59 on June 25, 2015, 01:35:47 PM
** edit same link as ky posted!
I down loaded and NO problems here
Title: Re: CCleaner build/version discussion
Post by: plodr on June 26, 2015, 12:48:38 AM
Well, tonight it is working for me.
I have no idea what my problem was earlier.
I got sent here http://www.piriform.com/ccleaner/download/portable
and when nothing happened there, I got sent to another page.
It no longer sends me to the 2nd page. I will try and find that address and edit my post to show where it kept sending me. There was a checklist showing the three versions and when I moved my cursor over the free download link, the status line of my browser showed the word "standard".
Title: Re: CCleaner build/version discussion
Post by: siljaline on April 02, 2016, 10:01:27 AM
Slim should be released any day. Generally it takes about 7 - 10 from the initial announcement.

Title: Re: CCleaner build/version discussion
Post by: Digerati on April 02, 2016, 01:08:54 PM
Just for the record, I don't wait for the slim version to appear. When I upgrade something, I want the latest and I want it now. And I ALWAYS choose the custom install option so I can easily opt out of any extras any program wants to foist on my system. I also do this because I typically don't install programs in the default locations. For example, CCleaner is installed under C:\Utilities\CCleaner.

But to the point here, when I saw the email notification for this thread reporting the update, I fired up CCleaner and clicked the Check for updates link in the lower right and sure enough, it reported there was a new update. Following the links for the free version, I downloaded, saved then ran the installer.

As ALWAYS, I selected the custom install option. Note I was NOT even offered any toolbars or extras. CCleaner apparently already saw I had opted out of it before. And it properly identified the correct install location.

I sure am not suggesting anyone take the default install option, but I do believe this apparent strong belief the slim version is necessary to avoid any evil extras is a bit overstressed and being overly cautious. Piriform is not an evil developer. IMO, it is better to install the upgrade than go 7-10 days with an outdated program. If these updates only added features, that may be one thing. But many of these updates correct bugs and errors in the cleaning routines.

I feel it is better to spend an extra 5 seconds to ensure any extras are opted out of, rather than run an obsolete cleaning routine that may break one of my programs.
Title: Re: CCleaner build/version discussion
Post by: satrow on April 02, 2016, 01:29:10 PM
Just for the record, I don't wait for the slim version to appear.
Me neither, I download the Portable zip and extract the new .exe over the installed one.
Title: Re: CCleaner build/version discussion
Post by: Digerati on April 02, 2016, 01:35:16 PM
I don't even mess with the portable .zip version for my own systems. The regular installer is easier and faster. I do use the zip version on my flash drive I take on service calls. But that's it.
Title: Re: CCleaner build/version discussion
Post by: satrow on April 02, 2016, 01:47:35 PM
Easier and faster? Possibly, since you don't need to open the builds page, otherwise probably not.
Title: Re: CCleaner build/version discussion
Post by: Digerati on April 02, 2016, 02:49:13 PM
I am just saying opening a zip file then installing is not as easy or quick as simply running an installer. This is more so the case if you save your downloads before executing them (as I do because I don't like running directly installers from the Internet). I am NOT saying the zip file is hard, just not as easy.
Title: Re: CCleaner build/version discussion
Post by: satrow on April 02, 2016, 04:22:42 PM
It's a simple single file overwrite, no install or scanning for fine print/hidden check boxes. If you don't clean your zip history, it's easier for subsequent updates.
Title: Re: CCleaner build/version discussion
Post by: Digerati on April 02, 2016, 06:09:30 PM
Yeah - all true. As I noted, working with zip files is not hard.
Title: Re: CCleaner build/version discussion
Post by: siljaline on April 05, 2016, 05:28:03 PM
Slim is up on the builds page.   http://www.piriform.com/ccleaner/builds
Title: Re: CCleaner build/version discussion
Post by: hayc59 on October 24, 2017, 04:45:20 PM
The new Emergency updater on windows xp pro I cannot locate? anyone else?
Title: Re: CCleaner build/version discussion
Post by: winchester73 on October 25, 2017, 12:25:00 AM
Isn't it listed under Tools > Startup?
Title: Re: CCleaner build/version discussion
Post by: hayc59 on October 26, 2017, 03:33:03 AM
Isn't it listed under Tools > Startup?

No its in the CCleaner folder and scheduled task
Title: Re: CCleaner build/version discussion
Post by: winchester73 on October 26, 2017, 11:45:12 AM
You must have installed it over the top of a previous version.  I think a clean install will show it in the CCleaner Startup view.
Title: Re: CCleaner build/version discussion
Post by: hayc59 on November 15, 2017, 04:51:07 PM
and yes it comes with avast again so be very care full
Title: Re: CCleaner build/version discussion
Post by: plodr on November 16, 2017, 01:16:30 PM
It looks like they don't have a slim build.

Go for the portable without the installer so Avast doesn't get installed
https://www.piriform.com/ccleaner/builds
Title: Re: CCleaner build/version discussion
Post by: Digerati on November 16, 2017, 01:52:37 PM
Quote
It looks like they don't have a slim build.
It is not uncommon for the slim build to appear a few days after the normal installers.

I am not certain there is total understanding about the slim builds. They install the exact same version of CCleaner as the normal "Installer" and "Portable" versions. The only differences are the installer.

If you go for the full Installer version, you get the latest version of CCleaner sooner - I see that as a good thing. Piriform gives us the option to easily choose a "custom" install with the full Installer version. That allows us to easily opt out of any extras while letting us pick the install location (if we don't want the default). And, should the need arise, because it is then registered in the Windows Registry, you can easily uninstall CCleaner via the Control Panel or program uninstaller. Also good things.

Typically the size difference between the full installer version and the slim version of the download file is less than 3Mb with the portable somewhere in the middle. Except for a small (tiny!) flash drive, if consuming a few extra megabytes of disk space is a concern, there are bigger problems with this system to deal much more urgently.

I think the slim version is nice if you are someone who is not in the habit of always choosing the custom install options when installing any program.
And I think the portable version is nice if you do house-calls and like to carry the latest version on a flash drive used for troubleshooting purposes.

Beyond that, and because Piriform is a reputable company (even as an Avast subsidiary), there is no reason to worry about the full installer, or be concerned there is no slim version if you are installing on your own computer.

Title: Re: CCleaner build/version discussion
Post by: winchester73 on July 24, 2018, 05:36:21 PM
Re: v5.45 release ...

According to: https://www.ccleaner.com/news/release-announcements/2018/7/24/ccleaner-v5456611

Reporting

CCleaner now sends a heartbeat every 12 hours which reports up-to-date usage statistics to allow for faster delivery of bug fixes and product improvements
Title: Re: CCleaner build/version discussion
Post by: pastywhitegurl on July 25, 2018, 04:49:28 PM
Is the heart beat a good thing? Or at the least innocuous?
Title: Re: CCleaner build/version discussion
Post by: hayc59 on July 25, 2018, 07:46:36 PM
Pasty..NO unless you want/need a program phoning home...its just not good!
Title: Re: CCleaner build/version discussion
Post by: Corrine on July 25, 2018, 08:55:16 PM
I make certain when installing the updated slim version that all options are unchecked.  I don't want CCleaner run automatically.  I run it when I choose to do so. So, no heartbeat because it isn't running.
Title: Re: CCleaner build/version discussion
Post by: pastywhitegurl on July 25, 2018, 10:06:42 PM
Good to know. I keep mine off until I need it anyway.   I've been waiting for the slim builds as well.
Title: Re: CCleaner build/version discussion
Post by: winchester73 on July 26, 2018, 02:06:15 PM
The Piriform CCleaner forum shows some other interesting 'flaws' are being reported: https://forum.piriform.com/forum/8-ccleaner-bug-reporting/

For example, the program crashes when you run it from right clicking the recycle bin.

Of more interest, and supposedly the moderators have escalated this to the admins ... CCleaner installation ignores your previous settings and re-enables the active monitoring function by default (even if you deactivated it in a previous version).  Unticking the box doesn't work, it keeps running (system tray icon remains active).  If you kill the process it returns on reboot (apparently it is now a startup option in msconfig by default).

I'm sticking with 5.44 for the moment.  Whether this is a bug or done by design, I'm not interested.
Title: Re: CCleaner build/version discussion
Post by: ky331 on July 26, 2018, 02:14:25 PM
Joe53 reported these monitoring problems at DeLL https://www.dell.com/community/Virus-Spyware/Updates-7-24-18-CCleaner/m-p/6117946/highlight/true#M201372
and posted his solution there.
Title: Re: CCleaner build/version discussion
Post by: pastywhitegurl on July 26, 2018, 03:49:25 PM
Winchester, is that true of the slim build as well?  o nvm.... reading the link ky posted addresses that.

I think I will not install the update.
Title: Re: CCleaner build/version discussion
Post by: hayc59 on July 26, 2018, 04:17:21 PM
Yes slim build has the same 'heartbeat' pumping
some good read if you have the time
https://forum.piriform.com/forum/8-ccleaner-bug-reporting/

I blame avast for this and only them
Title: Re: CCleaner build/version discussion
Post by: satrow on July 27, 2018, 12:44:37 PM
I have CCleaner blocked from accessing the 'net in my firewall.

My usual method of updating CCleaner, downloading and unzipping the Portable version, copying the 2x CCleaner .exe files to the C:\Program Files\CCleaner folder, resulted in no modifications to my previous settings eg. no re-enabling of Monitoring, but it seemed to add a new Settings entry (or I'd missed it last time) 'Show CCleaner in the Windows notification area', which I've disabled.

CCleanerUpdate.exe is still triggered and running and continues running after exiting the main program, requiring manual closure via TaskMan. I'll checkout the recent links when I get time, had most of the last 7/8 days offline, so I've a lot to catch up on.
Title: Re: CCleaner build/version discussion
Post by: winchester73 on July 30, 2018, 04:22:11 PM
Quite an uproar about the changes made in 5.45.  Piriform's response:

Quote
Here's what we're doing:

    We will separate out Active Monitoring (junk cleaning alerts and browser cleaning alerts) and heartbeat (anonymous usage analytics) features in the UI and we will give you the ability to control these individually. You will have the options of enabling all, some or none of these functions, and this functionality will be uniquely controlled from the UI.
    We will take this opportunity to rename the Advanced Monitoring features in CCleaner to make their functions clearer.
    We will deliver these changes to the software in the coming weeks.

Full notice here: https://forum.piriform.com/topic/52360-changes-in-v545-and-your-feedback/

Title: Re: CCleaner build/version discussion
Post by: winchester73 on August 01, 2018, 10:33:00 AM
Martin Brinkmann's thoughts (ghacks): https://www.ghacks.net/2018/08/01/ccleaner-5-45-dont-install/

Title: Re: CCleaner build/version discussion
Post by: hayc59 on August 02, 2018, 03:03:16 PM
More great info on this sell out by CCleaner
BETA News,
https://betanews.com/2018/08/01/do-not-install-the-latest-version-of-ccleaner/
https://betanews.com/2018/06/28/avast-ruining-ccleaner/
Title: Re: CCleaner build/version discussion
Post by: Corrine on August 03, 2018, 11:03:57 PM
CCleaner version 5.45 has been removed from the download site and and version 5.44 returned for download.  See the announcement on their forums (https://forum.piriform.com/topic/52360-changes-in-v545-and-your-feedback/?do=findComment&comment=298509).
Title: Re: CCleaner build/version discussion
Post by: Digerati on August 11, 2018, 02:07:14 PM
Quote
More great info on this sell out by CCleaner
Except that is old news and superseded and no longer applies so why is the bashing still going on as if it is currently still an issue? They made a mistake. They owned it. They removed it. And they are working to ensure the next release does not repeat it. What more is wanted from a company run by imperfect humans?

Bash when bashing is due is fine. But so is praise when due too.

It would seem the Piriform side has grappled back some say in the matter. The current status is they removed that offending version back on Aug 3rd and it is just fine to install the latest version available - which is 5.4.4.

I think it is sad folks like Martin Brinkmann who were so quick to jump on the bashing bandwagon has neglected to update his article to show Piriform is doing the right thing and listening to their users. :(

Make no mistake. Because Avast still controls the purse strings, I am not willing to put blind faith in Piriform products. But I am back to a "trust but verify" position and I will continue to install CCleaner on my systems, and will continue to recommend its use.
Title: Re: CCleaner build/version discussion
Post by: hayc59 on August 30, 2018, 04:56:16 PM
CCleaner 5.46 ships with clearer privacy options---great info!!
https://www.ghacks.net/2018/08/30/ccleaner-5-46-ships-with-clearer-privacy-options/

especially this part!!
According to the data factsheet,no user-specific data is collected. Here is the full list of what is collected:
Installation event, product edition, product version, license status, country, language, and operating system version information

• License Key and type of license.
• Basic interaction data (views, clicks) and performance indicators.
• If Chrome is installed.
• If Antivirus is installed
• Operating system version and language.
• For crashes, apps running at the time of the crash, CCleaner version and build.
Title: Re: CCleaner build/version discussion
Post by: Corrine on September 17, 2018, 05:48:50 PM
CCleaner Disregarding Settings and Forcing Update to 5.46 (https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/software/ccleaner-disregarding-settings-and-forcing-update-to-546/)

Quote
Reports are coming in that Piriform is forcing CCleaner to update to the latest 5.46 version even when users had configured the program to not perform automatic updates. To make matters worse, once the users were upgraded to the latest version, their privacy settings were reverted to default, which is to allow anonymous usage data to be sent to Avast/Piriform.
Title: Re: CCleaner build/version discussion
Post by: ky331 on September 17, 2018, 06:15:40 PM
I'm wondering if this is happening "in general" (i.e., simply by the presence of CCleaner on one's system)...
or if it's being catalyzed by the presence of avast antivirus???

Put more simply, I'm interested in hearing if this CCleaner update has occurred for anyone who is NOT using avast?
Title: Re: CCleaner build/version discussion
Post by: winchester73 on September 17, 2018, 06:21:41 PM
A lot of angry people here:  https://forum.piriform.com/topic/52598-546-latest-version-unwanted-and-problems/
Title: Re: CCleaner build/version discussion
Post by: Corrine on September 18, 2018, 12:20:18 PM
The above BC article was updated with a response from an Avast spokesperson.

Quote
"We introduced a critical update feature in CCleaner version v5.36. The critical update is designed to protect our users against security threats and to provision critical software updates to avoid scenarios such as loss of data or severe software/hardware conflicts. This is different from the automatic updater that CCleaner Professional users can opt out of (automatic updates is not currently a CCleaner Free feature).

The response includes the explanations on why they determined it a critical update.  Additionally, with regard to privacy, the Avast spokesperson said,

Quote
To answer your final question, during this update privacy settings were not restored to default. Over the course of the last few months, due to GDPR requirements and as a result of user feedback, privacy-related requirements have changed. As a result, the options available have been updated to reflect current legislative and user needs.
Title: Re: CCleaner build/version discussion
Post by: Digerati on September 18, 2018, 12:39:59 PM
This is odd because I am not seeing this (I do not have Avast).

I manually upgraded this system to 5.46 a couple days ago and the first thing I did was check to make sure my privacy settings were not reset again. They were not! :)

I just now checked 2 other computers that I had sitting at 5.44. They are both still at 5.44. So no problems there either.
Title: Re: CCleaner build/version discussion
Post by: winchester73 on September 18, 2018, 03:55:53 PM
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Hey guys there is a bug here and we're hotfixing it now. v5.46 has been restored in the meantime.

https://forum.piriform.com/topic/52107-cc-5446575-auto-and-trash-bin-context-run-no-longer-works/?page=2&tab=comments#comment-299832

Title: Re: CCleaner build/version discussion
Post by: pastywhitegurl on March 12, 2019, 02:54:00 PM
Is it still safe to use Slim version?  Those articles about it installing Avast with no opt out is disturbing. I don't want it forcing any other stuff on me.
Title: Re: CCleaner build/version discussion
Post by: Corrine on March 12, 2019, 06:42:31 PM
The Slim build does not include the pre-checked options.  That said, when installing any software or update, it is always wise to carefully watch each screen presented.