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Re: CCleaner build/version discussion
« Reply #30 on: August 28, 2014, 03:01:21 PM »
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Everyone has an opinion - that doesn't necessarily mean we have to agree.
You are entitled to your opinion - as long as it is based on fact. And the following is NOT a fact!

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This is the first instance that Piriform have released Slim out-of-the-gate.
:( Not even! Not by a long shot! Just because you have not seen it before does not make it so.

I am NOT saying they always post a slim version on the same day, but I am saying there is not a policy of a 5-day wait period (and definitely not a 10-day wait period). And I am saying that Piriform often posts all versions on the same day, or at least within a day or two of each other. That said, on rare occasions, I have seen waits of more than 2 weeks.

If you have ever worked in a software development company (and I did for 10 years), you know that version management, or "revision control" is a PITA when there multiple versions floating around. It is not logistically, or economically efficient to expend resources managing different release dates for the same versions of software.

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I can't recall another instance where I didn't have to wait a few days for the slim build to be released.
And are you suggesting, like saljaline, that EVERY TIME Piriform releases a new CCleaner update you check the SAME DAY to see if a slim version has been released?

It should be noted, in terms of development, the Slim version comes first as that is the program. The "junk" is then added to the slim version to make the full, junk filled version.

It should also be noted, and Corrine can vouch for this, that I doubt there is anyone on this site that has been more of a proponent of CCleaner, or even a regular user of CCleaner longer than me. It is by far, one my favorite programs (including the Registry cleaning feature) that has been installed on all (and I maintain quite a few) my systems (as part of the initial build process) for well over 10 years.
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Re: CCleaner build/version discussion
« Reply #31 on: August 28, 2014, 04:07:37 PM »
I am another long time user and forum member Ccleaner. Until about 3 years ago the slim version was indeed issued at the same time as the full version. However, since then it is usually issued several days after the standard update. Probably to meet there obligations to google. Any regular user of the forum is well aware of this situation. The full version when installed will not offer any extras once you have declined it once IE further updates will not offer any add ons. So worrying about the slim version is pointless in MHO
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Re: CCleaner build/version discussion
« Reply #32 on: August 28, 2014, 04:22:00 PM »
And are you suggesting, like saljaline, that EVERY TIME Piriform releases a new CCleaner update you check the SAME DAY to see if a slim version has been released?


EVERY TIME an update is released, I check the builds page to see if slim is available.  I check once a day until it does appear, at which point I download it.  It typically takes about 4-6 days for the slim build to appear.

Until about 3 years ago the slim version was indeed issued at the same time as the full version. However, since then it is usually issued several days after the standard update.

That is my recollection as well.


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Re: CCleaner build/version discussion
« Reply #33 on: August 28, 2014, 05:17:03 PM »
Note the date in this post from a long time moderator on the Piriform forum

Posted 08 May 2011 - 07:38 AM

The Slim build is posted on the Builds page here http://www.piriform....ccleaner/builds several days after the Standard build has been released.

Please realize that here on the forum we have no control over the waiting period for the Slim, so if you don't want to wait, download the Standard build instead and just untick any offers you don't want installed, or download the Portable build, extract it over your version and delete portable.dat.

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Re: CCleaner build/version discussion
« Reply #34 on: August 28, 2014, 06:24:40 PM »
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EVERY TIME an update is released, I check the builds page to see if slim is available.  I check once a day until it does appear, at which point I download it.  It typically takes about 4-6 days for the slim build to appear.

Interesting. And you watch for and know EVERY TIME a new update is released? While it is typically once a month around the same day, it is not on the same day every month.

That said, I see no reason to wait until the slim version comes out. When I fire up CCleaner, I check for updates before using and install when available. That way, I know I am using the latest version.

I don't allow CCleaner to automatically check for updates as that requires yet another full time updater running - and IMO, that is not necessary when a program is not used every single day. Windows itself, and my anti-malware yes, but not utilities. That's just another reason to go custom install - so you don't clutter your system and bandwidth with unnecessary services running all the time.
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Re: CCleaner build/version discussion
« Reply #35 on: August 28, 2014, 06:40:56 PM »

Interesting. And you watch for and know EVERY TIME a new update is released? While it is typically once a month around the same day, it is not on the same day every month.


Well ... someone has to post the updates here:  http://www.landzdown.com/general-software-news-updates-discussions/ccleaner-updates-55618/

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Re: CCleaner build/version discussion
« Reply #36 on: August 29, 2014, 12:10:58 AM »
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Is something secretly bundled with the free version of CCleaner that gets planted into the registry?
No! Piriform is not a malicious company that uses secret tricks to foist junk on our systems. But as with ALL software, users need to select the custom install options when installing ANY software to at least have the opportunity to opt-out of extras, or to install in other than the default location.

Clearly, that MG poster is missing something because the slim version is clearly available from the Piriform website. Plus, note the slim version is the latest version too, which was just released yesterday. No 5-day wait necessary (which, frankly, I don't think I have ever seen).

And BTW, while I have nothing against MG, note that download sites often bundle these extras - it is not always the developers. Plus, downloads sites are almost always behind the developer with the latest updates. Maybe by just a day or two, but sometimes much longer. Also, some download sites "brand" the programs with their site's name. :( I say why use a download site when you can get the most current (and unmodified) program right from the developer?

Understood. Yesterday, I uninstalled my free version of CCleaner via Control Panel > Programs and Features > Uninstall or change a program, and then downloaded their slim version from their website. Can I now assume that there is nothing from the previous version of CCleaner hiding in my registry or elsewhere? How does one go about checking that?
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Re: CCleaner build/version discussion
« Reply #37 on: August 29, 2014, 12:56:46 AM »
John, unless it was changed, unless unchecked, the CCleaner full version offered the Yahoo Toolbar.  As Digerati said, nothing malicious, just a toolbar that they would be paid by Yahoo per install.  If you didn't have the toolbar, then you had unchecked the offer when you installed CCleaner.  You may also want to take a look at my post about Unchecky.


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Re: CCleaner build/version discussion
« Reply #38 on: August 29, 2014, 01:34:11 AM »
John, unless it was changed, unless unchecked, the CCleaner full version offered the Yahoo Toolbar.  As Digerati said, nothing malicious, just a toolbar that they would be paid by Yahoo per install.  If you didn't have the toolbar, then you had unchecked the offer when you installed CCleaner.  You may also want to take a look at my post about Unchecky.

Hi, Corrine. Thank you for your reply.

I just read your post about "Unchecky", and will give that program a look-see.
For Pale Moon, as well as Explorer, I actually use Yahoo for the homepage when they are fired up.
Thus, what is a "Yahoo Toolbar"? Does CCleaner not install it on my machine because I use Yahoo already?
Sorry for the stupid question, just a little confused.

By the way, your reply prompts me to ask something that I've been thinking for quite some time now. That is, I'm probably similar to many other folks who visit Landzdown in regard to wondering what security programs/software you and the other experts here actually "use" (i.e., have installed) on their computers.  I am somewhat able to read between the lines and get a general gist of what you and the others are using, yet it would be hugely beneficial to me if, for example, when you post about programs like Unchecky you would also tell us if "you" personally use it, if you like it, etc.

I certainly don't wish to encroach on anyone's privacy, yet I often wonder what you and the other experts actually have installed and find useful. For me, and maybe for many others, a thread describing which programs we each personally use on a regular basis would be very helpful. Kind of a benchmark, so to speak. As you know, I use Norton 360 (which, if I remember, you maybe don't like), yet I also have free versions of CCleaner (now slim), Malwarebytes, Malwarebytes Ant-Exploit, SUPERAntispyware, SpywareBlaster, CryptoPrevent, TrojanHunter (trial version), and Belarc Advisor currently installed. Thus, I have no idea if I have "too much" security software installed, as well as if these free programs conflict with one another or are maybe just "junk". I currently experience no problems with them all installed, yet just wondering. Kind of like wondering which clubs your favorite golfing champ uses.
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Re: CCleaner build/version discussion
« Reply #39 on: August 29, 2014, 03:29:36 AM »
Ooops, I forgot to mention, I also have WinPatrol (free version) installed.

So, to recap:

Norton 360
WinPatrol
Malwarebytes
Malwarebytes Anti-Exploit
SUPERAntispyware
SpywareBlaster
CryptoPrevent
TrojanHunter
CCleaner


Hmmmm, I realize an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure, but that seems like a ton of security for one small laptop.  :smiley:
 
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Re: CCleaner build/version discussion
« Reply #40 on: August 29, 2014, 03:48:37 AM »
It would seem the gloves are off between Major Greeks and Piriform which seems to have gotten ugly really fast. If I could recuse myself from the latter conversation - I probably would but that would break context of the said thread.
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Re: CCleaner build/version discussion
« Reply #41 on: August 29, 2014, 03:53:01 AM »
John, unless it was changed, unless unchecked, the CCleaner full version offered the Yahoo Toolbar.  As Digerati said, nothing malicious, just a toolbar that they would be paid by Yahoo per install.  If you didn't have the toolbar, then you had unchecked the offer when you installed CCleaner.  You may also want to take a look at my post about Unchecky.
That presents the argument of how much damage and how invasive a Toolbar can be as they do introduce unwanted MSCONFIG items and Windows Services. 
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Re: CCleaner build/version discussion
« Reply #42 on: August 29, 2014, 04:03:09 AM »
John, unless it was changed, unless unchecked, the CCleaner full version offered the Yahoo Toolbar.  As Digerati said, nothing malicious, just a toolbar that they would be paid by Yahoo per install.  If you didn't have the toolbar, then you had unchecked the offer when you installed CCleaner.  You may also want to take a look at my post about Unchecky.
That presents the argument of how much damage and how invasive a Toolbar can be as they do introduce unwanted MSCONFIG items and Windows Services.

siljaline, could you please explain that to me in more detail? What's a toolbar? What are the unwanted MSCONFIG items and Windows Services that it introduces, and why/how does it do it? 
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Re: CCleaner build/version discussion
« Reply #43 on: August 29, 2014, 04:24:07 AM »
Sure ! A Toolbar could introduce what we call in the industry a "PUA" - or Potentially Unwanted Application, see ESET's definition of a PUA. Software like Adobe Reader introduces unwanted start-up items to MSCONFIG that can be user launched such as Adobe ARM.

This is quite technical and should be left to those that are fully aware of what should be disabled at these levels of your operating system.

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Re: CCleaner build/version discussion
« Reply #44 on: August 29, 2014, 04:43:26 AM »
PUA explained as I was unable to fix broken link in my reply:
http://virusradar.com/en/glossary/pua

See also malware | greyware.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malware#Grayware
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