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Offline MikeW

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MSE
« on: January 04, 2017, 11:31:22 AM »
As many know there is a major problem with the MSE and Mbam 3 on Win7. However, I noted that after reverting to mbam 2 I was still experiencing general lags and occasional start up shut down problems.
I thoroughly removed both programs and left overs. Re installed mbam 2 and all worked fine. When I installed MSE again I noted slow down of computer. I removed mbam 2 still the lags in performance.
I removed MSE again and installed Eset nod32 anti virus. All the performance problems were gone PC back to normal.
Conclusion, although the clash with Mbam3 and MSE on win 7 is well known. I believe there is also a fundamental change in MSE since its last program update. So, perhaps, not all Mbams fault.
Having now purchased a 5 year licence for Nod32 I will happily stick with it, I will also stay with Mbam2 until they rectify the many faults still present in Mbam 3.05.   
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Re: MSE
« Reply #1 on: January 04, 2017, 03:08:23 PM »
Thanks for the feedback. I've had problems since Nov. on two of the four Win 7 computers in the house.

Another internet friend has also had issues. He finally decided, like you, that MS Security Essentials was causing problems on one particularly troublesome notebook.

He wanted to stick with a free av because he isn't giving up on MBAM.
AVG was never under consideration and Avast has purchased it. We both read about Avast problems so he decided to skip that. He settled on BitDefender since it is running fine with MBAM on an XP computer in the house.

He installed BitDefender and it immediately declared SpywareBlaster a virus and proceeded to remove it! Thank goodness for images.

So the search goes on for a free av program.

I had ESET on my current desktop computer and had to remove it because of the lag so I'm afraid to try it again. I still have MS SE on and fortunately don't have lag problems on it. (It is one of the two computers that seem okay).

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Re: MSE
« Reply #2 on: January 04, 2017, 03:32:25 PM »
I believe the program update for MSE was the end of November. So that could it. So far I have found that Nod32 without any of the bells and whistles is running very light, but time will tell.
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Re: MSE
« Reply #3 on: January 04, 2017, 11:28:58 PM »
Since I can't edit my previous post, I will attempt to correct what I posted here.

Apparently BitDefender saw SpywareBlaster as a 2nd anti-virus program and not as a virus as I had posted.

In either case, BitDefender did not want SpywareBlaster on the computer.

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Re: MSE
« Reply #4 on: January 04, 2017, 11:38:38 PM »
plodr,

I am running Avira free anti-virus 15.0.19.164 and the free version of MBAM 2.2.1.1043 on an XP machine (2.3 MHz dual processor, 4GB memory) without any problems.  I have Avira set to manual update.

On a Windows 10 notebook I have had to disable some of Avira's systray features but otherwise it works well with MBAM on that machine too.

I am not sure how long Avira will continue support for XP systems though.  At present there are still ongoing virus definition updates available, and although the program is described as working from a "protection cloud," it still takes up a huge amount of space on the hard drive (more than 900 MB!).

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Re: MSE
« Reply #5 on: January 05, 2017, 01:53:29 PM »
Thanks. The computers I need to protect are all Win 7 ones. The 2K and one of the XPs are off the grid so I uninstalled all protection on them.

The one XP used to go on for Windows updates but that stopped working in Oct. 2016. I now have to find out all the Office 2007 updates, go to the catalog on a Win 7 computer and download them. Put them on a stick then see which ones install on the XP computer. I guess MS never figured that some XP computers might run Office 2007 which is still being patched!

On the XP computer I have MS Security Essentials which does update the definitions and a lifetime licensed MBAM. I have no issue with those working together on XP.

I'll have to look for some feedback about Avast and Win 7. Thanks for the info.

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Re: MSE
« Reply #6 on: January 05, 2017, 02:42:40 PM »
I found out Avira no longer has a support forum. There is a 189 page thread at Wilder's started in 2013. I moved ahead to page 186 which covers the end of 2016 and is more relevant to the current state of Avira.

Somewhere I read that it took 55 minutes to scan a person's computer. And I though MS Security Essentials took long!

Then I found Neil J. Rubenking's review (I used to read him all the time when PCMag had a print edition)
http://www.avira.com/en/free-antivirus-windows

It only support FF and Chrome. My main browser is Palemoon which no longer uses the engine that FF uses so I guess I wouldn't be protected. <sigh>

For the moment I've decided not to replace MS Security Essentials with Avira. Of course that might change.

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Re: MSE
« Reply #7 on: January 05, 2017, 03:42:42 PM »
An apparent lack of support for a browser by any AV means little to nothing, providing that you either use a good hosts file or you have MBAM Premium, both of which will cover all browsers, or your choice of browser(s) uses something like uBlockO, which you can also add hosts file -like blocklists to, to cover even more than an AV's extension would - and give you less reason to worry about possible privacy issues by routing all your searches/DNS/website checks via the AV company.

Avast Free is a good, lightweight browser than can be configured to suit your needs and to make allowances for other security methods in use. I'd be using it now if it weren't for my usage of a pay product that I have a second free year of. I've seen many people complain bitterly about the 'constant popup adverts' from it - but over the last ~5 years, where I've used it for most of that period, excluding testing other products, I rarely saw any adverts, perhaps once per week or less, even then, they were only visible for a few seconds - far less distracting than Firefox' 'status bar', which appears and vanishes (usually before you can read the connection details anyway) several times each minute.

Yes, I'd recommend Avast on W7 - but you do need to spend some time, maybe 15 minutes per install, configuring it to suit your own requirements.

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Re: MSE
« Reply #8 on: January 05, 2017, 04:44:15 PM »
Corrections (I'm a little busy currently, sorry):

Avast Free is a good, lightweight AV that can be configured to suit your needs

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Re: MSE
« Reply #9 on: January 06, 2017, 01:28:30 AM »
plodr,

The "browser safety" feature of Avira is an extra feature.  Many of us who are long term users of Avira (and I have used it for 8 years now) consider it something like software "bloat".  I do not have it activated on any of my computers.  So it is this extra bloat that "works only in Chrome and Firefox."  The bloat does not refer to the main antivirus features.

I have 14 different browsers installed on both the XP machine and the the Windows 10 notebook, and I use 10 of them regularly.  Avira seemingly works well with all of them including Pale Moon.  (I do not have Chrome, but I do have several chromium-based alternatives.)  However I have never used the browser safety feature at all.  I have not considered it essential and disabled it years ago when it first came out.  From my perspective this extra bloat would probably slow down browser performance, does not seem necessary, and is one more tracking issue to possibly be concerned about.

As for the sluggishness of the scans I have not done a full scan in a long while so I cannot comment based on recent experience.  I do remember that my last scan (probably years ago) felt like it was going to take forever, but then so did the full scans that I used to do with McAfee prior to using Avira.

What has mattered to me the most has been that Avira has kept me virus-free for years, free of charge, and it has remained highly rated.  At least two or three times I have reviewed the reviews to see if it was time to switch, and I did try BitDefender Free for a while on the Windows 7 notebook (before the conversion to Windows 10).  But BitDefender did not seem to allow much user configuration and I never could effectively see what it was doing.  So I went back to Avira.

While Avira may have some issues I have not been able to find anything significantly better for free, yet.  But perhaps beyond a certain basic level of protection it may not matter which free antivirus one uses, as long as it does what one wants and plays well with other software.  With that in mind perhaps the free versions of Avast and AVG might work just as well, even if BitDefender Free did not.

So now you have a more extensive 'one person's view!'  (Smile)

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