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Title: Windows 10 October 2018 Update Released
Post by: Corrine on October 02, 2018, 09:16:11 PM
The October 2018 Update has been released.  Note, however that it is in a phased and controlled rollout. 

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While we encourage you to wait until the update is offered to your device, if you’re an advanced user on an actively serviced version of Windows 10 and would like to install the Windows 10 October 2018 Update now, you can do so by manually checking for updates. In the Search box in the taskbar, type “Check for updates.” Once there, simply click “Check for updates” to begin the download and installation process. We are also streamlining the ability for users who seek to manually check for updates by limiting this to devices with no known key blocking issues, based on our ML model.  If we detect that your device has a compatibility issue, we will not install the update until that issue is resolved, even if you “Check for updates.”  You can also watch this video that outlines how to get the October 2018 Update (http://aka.ms/Windows10October2018Update).

See How to get the Windows 10 October 2018 Update - Windows Experience Blog (https://blogs.windows.com/windowsexperience/2018/10/02/how-to-get-the-windows-10-october-2018-update/) for additional information about the update, including "Improving the update experience".
Title: Re: Windows 10 October 2018 Update Released
Post by: Corrine on October 03, 2018, 11:28:45 AM
Lots more information about new features in Find out what’s new in Windows and Office in October - Windows Experience Blog (https://blogs.windows.com/windowsexperience/2018/10/02/find-out-whats-new-in-windows-and-office-in-october/).
Title: Re: Windows 10 October 2018 Update Released
Post by: Pete! on October 04, 2018, 12:43:24 PM
Used "Check for updates" and was surprised to see that they considered a 2013 vintage machine compatible... They were WRONG !

Every time I tried to open Mozilla Thunderbird, I'd get a BSOD before it finished downloading all my mail. After that happened for the fourth time, I "went back to previous version of Windows".

Everything appears to be working now.

IMHO:
Don't rely on MS to make a 100% accurate compatibility decision.
Don't install this until you have time to fool around.
Title: Re: Windows 10 October 2018 Update Released
Post by: plodr on October 04, 2018, 01:08:07 PM
Don't check for updates.

https://www.askwoody.com/2018/and-yes-microsoft-has-given-itself-permission-to-install-win10-version-1809-on-any-win-10-pc-that-checks-for-updates/

I guess they don't bother to see if it will actually work because there are too many different hardware setups.
Title: Re: Windows 10 October 2018 Update Released
Post by: Pete! on October 04, 2018, 01:26:40 PM
Don't check for updates.

https://www.askwoody.com/2018/and-yes-microsoft-has-given-itself-permission-to-install-win10-version-1809-on-any-win-10-pc-that-checks-for-updates/

I guess they don't bother to see if it will actually work because there are too many different hardware setups.
I wouldn't go that far....
Don't check for updates unless you have time to fool around.

Windows 10 allows you to go back a version, but it's time consuming.
Title: Re: Windows 10 October 2018 Update Released
Post by: Corrine on October 04, 2018, 07:29:49 PM
Used "Check for updates" and was surprised to see that they considered a 2013 vintage machine compatible... They were WRONG !

What does that make my 2008 machine?  :)  It ran fine with 1809 installed and is now on the next build moving toward Spring 2019.  However, I don't use Mozilla Thunderbird.
Title: Re: Windows 10 October 2018 Update Released
Post by: Pete! on October 04, 2018, 09:43:54 PM
Quicken, Firefox, LibreOffice, & Edge worked fine, but every time I tried to check my Email, I got a BSOD just after Thunderbird opened.

All my appointments are in the Thunderbird calendar. For a while I was very glad that I also jot them down on an actual paper calendar.

Makes me wonder if I should turn off automatic updates for the time being. Google searches mention other problems, but not this one.
Title: Re: Windows 10 October 2018 Update Released
Post by: techie on October 05, 2018, 11:58:34 AM
I updated without a hitch, haven't had any problems. My Thunderbird mail works fine with the new version. I haven't found any problems with this version, so far. It doesn't mean I wont.
Title: Re: Windows 10 October 2018 Update Released
Post by: Pete! on October 05, 2018, 01:54:49 PM
I updated without a hitch, haven't had any problems. My Thunderbird mail works fine with the new version. I haven't found any problems with this version, so far. It doesn't mean I wont.
Do you use the "ShutUp10" anti-telemetry software (or similar)?

Since I do have an Intel processor, with recently updated drivers...
It's occurred to me that I may have outsmarted myself by hiding whatever MS was using to detect incompatible systems. 

All "recommended" and "optional" items were blocked. "Not Recommended" items remained at default.
Title: Re: Windows 10 October 2018 Update Released
Post by: Corrine on October 06, 2018, 11:34:43 AM
Rollout of the Windows 10 October 2018 Update (version 1809) paused for all users while isolated reports of users missing some files after updating is investigated. See known issues in https://support.microsoft.com/en-au/help/4464619/windows-10-update-history
Title: Re: Windows 10 October 2018 Update Released
Post by: pastywhitegurl on October 06, 2018, 01:46:16 PM
Some additional info on the issues that further explains the potential for deletion of files and One Drive connection:
https://www.zdnet.com/article/windows-10-october-update-problems-wiped-docs-plus-intel-driver-warning/

Apparently, it causes problems with task manager as well.

I will definitely be deferring installation. Yikes.  Looks like time to update my backups.
Title: Re: Windows 10 October 2018 Update Released
Post by: winchester73 on October 07, 2018, 12:14:35 AM
I didn’t have any problems with deleted folders, but just backed everything up in case ...

Only issue I’ve seen is the refusal of my laptop to go to sleep.
Title: Re: Windows 10 October 2018 Update Released
Post by: winchester73 on October 09, 2018, 05:02:26 PM
Update released today: https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4464330/windows-10-update-kb4464330

*Addresses an issue affecting group policy expiration where an incorrect timing calculation may prematurely remove profiles on devices subject to the "Delete user profiles older than a specified number of day.”

OS build number is now 17763.55
Title: Re: Windows 10 October 2018 Update Released
Post by: winchester73 on October 10, 2018, 11:03:25 AM
Microsoft explains what happened:  https://blogs.windows.com/windowsexperience/2018/10/09/updated-version-of-windows-10-october-2018-update-released-to-windows-insiders/
Title: Re: Windows 10 October 2018 Update Released
Post by: techie on October 10, 2018, 04:09:21 PM
I updated without a hitch, haven't had any problems. My Thunderbird mail works fine with the new version. I haven't found any problems with this version, so far. It doesn't mean I wont.
Do you use the "ShutUp10" anti-telemetry software (or similar)?

Since I do have an Intel processor, with recently updated drivers...
It's occurred to me that I may have outsmarted myself by hiding whatever MS was using to detect incompatible systems. 

All "recommended" and "optional" items were blocked. "Not Recommended" items remained at default.

I do use shutup 10, and it did not create any problems as well. I do run a update check and reset after a upgrade.
Title: Re: Windows 10 October 2018 Update Released
Post by: Aaron Hulett on October 10, 2018, 08:49:28 PM
Microsoft explains what happened:  https://blogs.windows.com/windowsexperience/2018/10/09/updated-version-of-windows-10-october-2018-update-released-to-windows-insiders/

I read what they have, and I think it'd be easy for anyone wanting to rip Mt. Redmond a new one to do so.

I still find it nuts that the consumer user group has become the enterprise test team.
Title: Re: Windows 10 October 2018 Update Released
Post by: tashi on October 11, 2018, 02:21:33 PM

I read what they have, and I think it'd be easy for anyone wanting to rip Mt. Redmond a new one to do so.

I still find it nuts that the consumer user group has become the enterprise test team.

Totally agree.
Title: Re: Windows 10 October 2018 Update Released
Post by: techie on October 11, 2018, 03:30:48 PM
If you are a business user, you don't want to be on the semi-annual release channel, to risky. If you are business owner not having a good backup is risky too. Your only as good as your last backup. That will never change. My primary system is on version 1809, version 17763.1, working fine, no reason to go back.
Title: Re: Windows 10 October 2018 Update Released
Post by: DR M on October 11, 2018, 03:32:19 PM
I have exactly the same problem I had when installing previous cumulative updates:

The update was downloaded, but then failed to be installed, according to my Updates history. But when I go to the Control Panel -> View installed updates, the update is there.

What I did the two previous times: I uninstalled the update from the Control Panel, and the update was installed again successfully, according to the Updates history.

I didn't do the same this time. What do you think?
Title: Re: Windows 10 October 2018 Update Released
Post by: techie on October 11, 2018, 03:38:12 PM
I have exactly the same problem I had when installing previous cumulative updates:

The update was downloaded, but then failed to be installed, according to my Updates history. But when I go to the Control Panel -> View installed updates, the update is there.

What I did the two previous times: I uninstalled the update from the Control Panel, and the update was installed again successfully, according to the Updates history.

I didn't do the same this time. What do you think?

If you remove it, you won't be offered it again until the problems are resolved. The October update has been stopped as indicated above, until it has been tested again.
Title: Re: Windows 10 October 2018 Update Released
Post by: DR M on October 11, 2018, 03:41:59 PM
If you remove it, you won't be offered it again until the problems are resolved. The October update has been stopped as indicated above, until it has been tested again.

This happened yesterday. If it has been stopped, why it came and installed yesterday so ... suddenly?

So ... better to remove it now?
Title: Re: Windows 10 October 2018 Update Released
Post by: techie on October 11, 2018, 04:41:01 PM
It changes so often, you may have received the update before it was pulled. I did get a cumulative update this morning, putting me on 1803, version 17763.55

I have a number of systems that need updated, so I usually create a media distribution. It's easier so every system isn't downloading the same thing. I haven't installed it on any other system yet, was waiting for any problems to be discovered.
Title: Re: Windows 10 October 2018 Update Released
Post by: ky331 on October 13, 2018, 10:46:07 AM
Re-released Windows 10 1809 causes Blue Screen and Breaks Audio for some

One bug leads to another; one fix patch opens up another. This is what is happening with Windows 10 1809 update which was re-released only three days ago. While the release had fixed known problems and user file deletion issue, it seems to have introduced other issues. This re-released Windows 10 v1809 causes Blue Screen & breaks Audio for some.

For some HP users, it is causing BSOD because of driver incompatibility issue, while those who are using SST or Intel Smart Sound Technology (ISST) Driver is not able to hear any sound post-1809 update. There is noting wrong with your system, and only patches from the OEMs will help. Meanwhile, there are some workarounds that may help you.

 


Article continues:   https://www.thewindowsclub.com/re-released-1809-blue-screen-breaks-audio
Title: Re: Windows 10 October 2018 Update Released
Post by: techie on October 15, 2018, 02:53:01 AM
It changes so often, you may have received the update before it was pulled. I did get a cumulative update this morning, putting me on 1803, version 17763.55

I have a number of systems that need updated, so I usually create a media distribution. It's easier so every system isn't downloading the same thing. I haven't installed it on any other system yet, was waiting for any problems to be discovered.

I meant to say version 1809, 17763.55, not 1803.
Title: Re: Windows 10 October 2018 Update Released
Post by: DR M on October 15, 2018, 11:22:34 AM
I meant to say version 1809, 17763.55, not 1803.

OK. :)
I am on 1803 (Build 17134.345), and the last update (10.10) is KB4462919. This was the update I talked about above. I was not offered the 1809 version yet.
Title: Re: Windows 10 October 2018 Update Released
Post by: Aaron Hulett on October 17, 2018, 03:59:17 AM
Two weeks and going.

One of my father's laptops (not on a domain) got the update and luckily didn't lose anything. I'm getting curious about what the guidance will be on how to bring it up to this new release. Going to guess it'll be a full upgrade install like any other new build. Should probably talk to him beforehand about that laptop.

All domain-joined systems at his office (his work domain) and at our house (my domain, mua ha ha) all have 60-day delays on upgrades, even if someone manually checks for updates (all these machines are also backed up daily automatically, so phew!). While I am all for latest and greatest and cutting-edge and such, I would seriously recommend anyone using a system they depend on delay feature upgrades if at all possible. I like 60 days to let it float out there for two months, some may want shorter, others longer. But for critical systems, I wouldn't upgrade at all for at least the first two weeks of rollout at a minimum.

Is this experience going to lead to folks fearing Windows Update itself, whether upgrades or security updates or drivers... how are we supposed to advise folks to get security updates quickly ahead of malware using patched vulns when <nonsense> might happen?

Sigh...
Title: Re: Windows 10 October 2018 Update Released
Post by: pastywhitegurl on October 17, 2018, 12:58:11 PM
I already fear Windows updates.  This just makes it worse.

Right now, I have been delaying the restart that will finish installing the October update for my 1803 version.  I got the update a couple days after the report that the update wouldn't be sent out until the problems were resolved, but that seemed fast.

I guess the only thing to do now is go ahead, but I'm having trouble pulling the trigger.  :-\
Title: Re: Windows 10 October 2018 Update Released
Post by: techie on October 17, 2018, 01:26:27 PM
It's all good until it goes bad.  A backup is recommended. The thing about Windows is all of the important information is saved in your user folder, unless you have it on another drive. My backup is the user folder in it's entirety, it's a overkill probably, but I have everything. I would also make sure you have a re-installation disk. The OS and programs can be reinstalled, just a bit time consuming. The % is low as far as the lost information goes.

My test system has two drives, the working drive and I maintain backups on the secondary. I do manual backups of my user folder, the reason I have seen to many backup systems fail.
Title: Re: Windows 10 October 2018 Update Released
Post by: pastywhitegurl on October 17, 2018, 02:01:43 PM
Is there a way to ditch the partially installed update and download it again without the restart that installs it?

I've backed up my documents/picture folders manually. I had tried to use the Windows backup to update one I made previously, but it failed, so I did it manually.  I don't know how to make a re-installation disk.  The information I searched out indicates its already built into Windows 10.  I've used the creator tool once when I had trouble with updates.  Is that not enough?
Title: Re: Windows 10 October 2018 Update Released
Post by: techie on October 17, 2018, 02:34:42 PM
I think you should be able to uninstall it, go to settings, update and security, windows update. Now you need to go to view update history. At the top left, you should see uninstall updates. It will popup with the old control panel option. You have to know which update KB you need to uninstall. If it uninstalls, it will require a reboot.

If you have a shortcut to the control panel, program and features, add/remove, you will also see the uninstall a update option.

I haven't tried this with a pending update.
Title: Re: Windows 10 October 2018 Update Released
Post by: techie on October 17, 2018, 02:52:37 PM
I would also clear the update download.

Search C:\Windows\SoftwareDistribution

Delete everything in the folder. Restart. It can't try to reinstall if it's not there.
Title: Re: Windows 10 October 2018 Update Released
Post by: Corrine on October 17, 2018, 03:01:43 PM
If you have problems deleting the files in the SoftwareDistribution folder, see Rename or delete Software Distribution folder in Windows 10/8/7 (https://www.thewindowsclub.com/software-distribution-folder-in-windows).
Title: Re: Windows 10 October 2018 Update Released
Post by: pastywhitegurl on October 17, 2018, 03:33:13 PM
If I do all that, will windows automatically offer me the update again? 
Title: Re: Windows 10 October 2018 Update Released
Post by: techie on October 17, 2018, 04:17:06 PM
The thing is you are trying to stop the update, from actually installing. Once the software distribution is deleted or renamed, it won't be available to update the computer. It will download again later once Microsoft offers it after further testing. The one you downloaded will not install. Here's a video that will take you thru a few additional steps. Turning off the win-update cleaning or renaming the Distribution folder. Restarting the Windows update. Basically it isn't installed yet and if it is removed from the distribution folder, it can't install.

Don't do the first step in the video, do not click install now. This is really more to resolve a update that will not install properly, but serves the same purpose.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLD2R2zxYMo

It's also shown here not in a video.

https://www.majorgeeks.com/content/page/how_to_delete_pending_windows_updates.html
Title: Re: Windows 10 October 2018 Update Released
Post by: pastywhitegurl on October 17, 2018, 04:34:18 PM
So  let me get this straight.... are y'all advising that uninstalling the update before it is allowed to complete is what I should do, considering that it was delivered about October 12?

Or would October 12  be after the rollout of the fix?
Title: Re: Windows 10 October 2018 Update Released
Post by: winchester73 on October 17, 2018, 04:46:38 PM
Or would October 12  be after the rollout of the fix?

Those who manually updated to OS Build 17763.1 found a fix released on 9 October:  https://www.techspot.com/news/76864-microsoft-has-fixed-windows-10-october-update-data.html

I didn't have any issues with the original, or with the re-release.  I'm on OS Build 17763.55.

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4464330/windows-10-update-kb4464330

YMMV.
Title: Re: Windows 10 October 2018 Update Released
Post by: techie on October 17, 2018, 04:57:05 PM
As far as I know Microsoft has stopped the 1809 update until further testing is completed. Once it has been verified and tested it should be released again at some point.

You have one of two options, Allow it to install and there is more than a 99% chance you will not have a problem, or stop it from installing and deleting the the update file so it can't try installing again.

winchester73 said it before I finished typing, odds are very slim you will have a problem, if you let it install.

If you are not comfortable stopping it, you could create a bigger problem, then letting it install.
Title: Re: Windows 10 October 2018 Update Released
Post by: winchester73 on October 17, 2018, 05:04:00 PM
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It's important to note that Windows 10 October 2018 Update rollout is still paused and Microsoft hasn't announced the final build yet

https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/windows-10-october-2018-update-build-17763104-released-to-insiders-with-fixes/

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UPDATE 10/16: We have released the Windows 10 October 2018 Update Build 17763.104 (KB4464455) to Windows Insiders in the Slow and Release Preview rings.

https://blogs.windows.com/windowsexperience/2018/09/18/announcing-windows-10-insider-preview-build-17763/

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The company will rerelease 1809 to the public once it's vetted feedback and diagnostic data from Windows Insiders and confirmed that the problem has been properly dealt with.

https://www.zdnet.com/article/windows-10-october-updates-new-public-rollout-nears-as-microsoft-fixes-more-bugs/

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Whatever the date when the thing is finally pushed out of the door, we expect the release to be a tad more cautious than the giant trifle flung at a wall of last time.

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/10/17/windows_10_october_2018_update/
Title: Re: Windows 10 October 2018 Update Released
Post by: Pete! on October 17, 2018, 05:17:12 PM
As far as I know Microsoft has stopped the 1809 update until further testing is completed. ....
That's been my experience:

10-03-18 - I was having some BSOD problems with version 1809, so I went back to version 1803.

10-09-18 - I clicked on "Check for Updates" The Cumulative update, the Malicious Software Removal Tool, and the Flash Player updates for version 1803 were all downloaded and installed. There was no attempt to reinstall version 1809.
Title: Re: Windows 10 October 2018 Update Released
Post by: techie on October 17, 2018, 06:00:36 PM
Is there a way to ditch the partially installed update and download it again without the restart that installs it?

I've backed up my documents/picture folders manually. I had tried to use the Windows backup to update one I made previously, but it failed, so I did it manually.  I don't know how to make a re-installation disk.  The information I searched out indicates its already built into Windows 10.  I've used the creator tool once when I had trouble with updates.  Is that not enough?

I was actually answering this question. What you decide to do is up to you. Many of us are advanced users, so we usually keep important files backed up and just go for it. We are willing to accept the risk. You have the files backed up, that you know you don't want to lose. You will not get the update again until Microsoft releases it again.
Title: Re: Windows 10 October 2018 Update Released
Post by: pastywhitegurl on October 17, 2018, 07:46:31 PM
Thanks for all the input.  This is my Windows 10 version

Version 1803 OS build 17134.285

I am gathering from what has been posted that my version is not one that was affected. Is that correct?  And even so, my update came on Oct 12 after the fixes mentioned were released.  So it seems like I can just go ahead without trying to remove the update.  Which I much prefer.  :) 

 I will probably go ahead with the update later tonight unless someone tells me it is a bad idea.
Title: Re: Windows 10 October 2018 Update Released
Post by: techie on October 17, 2018, 08:36:27 PM
I guess now I am a little bit confused.

The 1803 is the last build before the 1809 build was stopped.

In your Windows update, is it offering you a 1809 Features update or like 2018-10 cumulative update, i.e? There is a big difference. One is the major upgrade the other is part of the monthly security updates.

The monthly patches should be installed regardless of which Win 10 version you are running.
Title: Re: Windows 10 October 2018 Update Released
Post by: pastywhitegurl on October 17, 2018, 11:14:47 PM
This is the update waiting for restart to finish installing:

Quality Update:
2018-10 Cumulative Update for Window 10 Version 1803 for x64-based Systems (KB4100347)

I don't have any notice of a 1809 feature update.
Title: Re: Windows 10 October 2018 Update Released
Post by: Corrine on October 17, 2018, 11:39:41 PM
Then please go ahead and install it.
Title: Re: Windows 10 October 2018 Update Released
Post by: pastywhitegurl on October 18, 2018, 01:47:12 AM
Update installed and everything seems fine.

Update history:
successfully installed on 10-12-2018
Cumulative update KB4462919

So the KB  number is different from the one that was pending, and  the updates page says I'm up to date.  (last update check was 4pm today)

So that seems that the update was somehow updated when I installed it?  Seems a bit confusing that the KB changed, but I'm glad there were no glitches.


KB4100347  was the one that contained the Intel Spectre patches, and  KB4462919 just talks about security improvements.   KB4100347 is not showing up on my history anymore. Is it normal to have the KB change if you have delayed an update?
Title: Re: Windows 10 October 2018 Update Released
Post by: Corrine on October 19, 2018, 04:10:20 PM
As you're learning the latest new features of Windows 10 version 1809, I think you will find this documentation detailing What was new for Windows 10, version 1809 (https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-insider/at-home/whats-new-wip-at-home-1809) helpful.
Title: Windows 10 October 2018 Update Release Resumed!
Post by: Corrine on November 13, 2018, 04:41:35 PM
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While the April Update had the fastest Windows 10 update rollout velocity, we are taking a more measured approach with the October Update, slowing our rollout to more carefully study device health data. We will offer the October Update to users via Windows Update when data shows your device is ready and you will have a great experience. If we detect that your device may have an issue, such as an application incompatibility, we will not install the update until that issue is resolved, even if you “Check for updates,” so you avoid encountering any known problems. For those advanced users seeking to install the update early by manually using “Check for updates” in settings, know that we are slowly throttling up this availability, while we carefully monitor data and feedback.

See the complete article at Resuming the rollout of the Windows 10 October 2018 Update - Windows Experience BlogWindows Experience Blog (https://blogs.windows.com/windowsexperience/2018/11/13/resuming-the-rollout-of-the-windows-10-october-2018-update/)
Title: Re: Windows 10 October 2018 Update Released
Post by: winchester73 on November 13, 2018, 06:06:02 PM
Another read: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2018/11/windows-10-october-2018-update-is-back-this-time-without-deleting-your-data/
Title: Re: Windows 10 October 2018 Update Released
Post by: Corrine on November 13, 2018, 10:49:01 PM
There are additional links to information in the Windows 10 update history (https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4464619/windows-10-update-history) for Versoin 1809.
Title: Re: Windows 10 October 2018 Update Released
Post by: pastywhitegurl on November 17, 2018, 07:31:32 PM
Can anyone confirm that this update is ready for prime-time now?  I was just offered it on 11/16.  I'm delaying for a while until I see some reports.
Title: Re: Windows 10 October 2018 Update Released
Post by: Corrine on November 17, 2018, 10:23:53 PM
There are a couple issues in the Corporate environment with network shares but I'm not aware of any in the consumer environment. 

Since it was offered to you, note the following from the above quote:

"We will offer the October Update to users via Windows Update when data shows your device is ready and you will have a great experience. If we detect that your device may have an issue, such as an application incompatibility, we will not install the update until that issue is resolved, even if you “Check for updates,” so you avoid encountering any known problems."

I've been running the Insider Builds from the first day on my 2008 desktop with no issues.  I'm waiting for it to be offered to my 2008 laptop.
Title: Re: Windows 10 October 2018 Update Released
Post by: Corrine on November 19, 2018, 03:58:14 PM
There is an issue for users of iCloud but both Apple and Microsoft are working on a solution and Microsoft is blocking the update to those who are affected.  See Apple and Microsoft are fixing a serious iCloud bug in Windows 10 (https://www.engadget.com/2018/11/18/icloud-windows-10-october-update-bug/).
Title: Re: Windows 10 October 2018 Update Released
Post by: Corrine on November 28, 2018, 11:16:04 AM
For those in the "Release Preview Ring":

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UPDATE 11/27: We have released the Windows 10 October 2018 Update Build 17763.167 (KB4469342) to Windows Insiders in the Release Preview ring. This Cumulative Update contains the same fixes as Build 17763.107 plus these additional fixes:

See Announcing Windows 10 Insider Preview Build 17763 - Windows Experience BlogWindows Experience Blog (https://blogs.windows.com/windowsexperience/2018/09/18/announcing-windows-10-insider-preview-build-17763/) for the additional fixes.  In addition note that if you installed earlier updates, only the new fixes contained in this package will be downloaded and installed on your device.
Title: Re: Windows 10 October 2018 Update Released
Post by: DR M on December 15, 2018, 02:41:03 PM
Today I tried the Check for Updates option, and immediately after version 1809 started being downloaded and installing. When it reached 73% (I think), everything stopped working and I had to restart the computer. Then, the v 1809 started again its installation, to make everything crush again at the same 73%. This happened three times, and then decided to stop the Windows Update service (it was restarting after stopping it) and delete the Download folder from Software Distribution. When I finally was able to delete the folder, I restarted the computer and no v 1809 is offered, even when I click on Check for Updates. Any idea why this happened? And how do I proceed from now on?
Title: Re: Windows 10 October 2018 Update Released
Post by: Corrine on December 16, 2018, 01:09:27 AM
When downloading new Insider Builds, I've often seen it reach a certain percentage and then just sit.  When I check again after a period of time has passed, it has generally moved on.  As an example, with the latest Build, it sat at waiting to download for at least 4 hours.  Granted, this was highly unusual but when I checked later, it was ready for restart and the time from restart to desktop was the fasted I've experienced on my old PC. 

One of the changes made early in the process was to do more during that period of time of download and install so that users can keep on working.  The idea is not to watch what is happening but just leave it be.  When ready, you'll see the waiting for restart.
Title: Re: Windows 10 October 2018 Update Released
Post by: DR M on December 16, 2018, 02:59:59 PM
When downloading new Insider Builds, I've often seen it reach a certain percentage and then just sit.  When I check again after a period of time has passed, it has generally moved on.  As an example, with the latest Build, it sat at waiting to download for at least 4 hours.  Granted, this was highly unusual but when I checked later, it was ready for restart and the time from restart to desktop was the fasted I've experienced on my old PC. 

One of the changes made early in the process was to do more during that period of time of download and install so that users can keep on working.  The idea is not to watch what is happening but just leave it be.  When ready, you'll see the waiting for restart.

Corrine,

It's not just "the update sits". The whole computer gets stuck, nothing is functional, nothing responds, and I have to shut it down from the start-button. And then the update starts its installing again, until the whole computer gets stuck again.

I tried it once more today and it was around 13:00 o'clock when the process started. Then I left, and when I returned (18:30), the whole computer was "dead" again, the update was at 79% and the clock showed 16:07.

I shut it down and start it again, to see that the update is getting installed again!!!! I don't want again the same to happen!!!!

What can I do???
Title: Re: Windows 10 October 2018 Update Released
Post by: Corrine on December 16, 2018, 05:10:50 PM
 I'd start with clearing the Software Distribution folder.

Open Command Prompt (Admin). Type the following one at a time, clicking Enter after each:
net stop wuauserv
net stop bits

This will stop the Windows Update Service and the Background Intelligent Transfer Service.

Next, browse to the C:\Windows\SoftwareDistribution folder and delete all the files and folders inside.  (Note:  You may press Ctrl+A to Select All and then click on Delete.) If the files are in use, and you are unable to delete some files, restart your PC. After rebooting, run the above commands again. Now you should be able to delete the files from the Software Distribution folder.

After you have emptied this folder, either restart your computer or, instead of restarting, restart the wuauserv and bits services, one at a time with an Admin CMD prompt, again clicking Enter after each:

net start wuauserv
net start bits

I don't recall what version of Windows 10 you have installed.  Is it Home or Pro?  With Pro, you can pause updates up to 35 days.  The option is under Settings > Windows Update > Advanced options.

Title: Re: Windows 10 October 2018 Update Released
Post by: DR M on December 16, 2018, 05:54:18 PM
Just saw your reply, so I didn't do exactly what you wrote above.

What I did to stop the update from getting installed:

1. I stopped the Windows Update service.

2. In the Software Distribution folder I deleted only the folder Download.

After doing this, the update stopped being installed, and the message I have in Windows Updates Center is: We couldn't install some updates because the PC was turned off. It's the same thing I did yesterday, with exact the same result.

Now... I don't want to restart the service, and I don't want to retry installing the update, because... what if the same happened again!

I will try once more tomorrow, with your instructions.

Title: Re: Windows 10 October 2018 Update Released
Post by: Corrine on December 16, 2018, 06:09:20 PM
Considering that it has happened multiple times, yes, delete the entire contents of the Software Distribution folder. 

Windows 10 Home or Windows 10 Pro?
Title: Re: Windows 10 October 2018 Update Released
Post by: DR M on December 16, 2018, 06:11:04 PM
Considering that it has happened multiple times, yes, delete the entire contents of the Software Distribution folder. 

Windows 10 Home or Windows 10 Pro?

It's Windows 10 Home.
Title: Re: Windows 10 October 2018 Update Released
Post by: Corrine on December 16, 2018, 06:49:50 PM
There is a way to disable updates in Windows 10 Home but it isn't recommended.  After you've emptied the Software Distribution folder, it wouldn't hurt to run the Windows Update Troubleshooter (again) as well as DISM from a Cmd prompt as Admin:  DISM.exe /Online /Cleanup-image /Restorehealth.

Also, be sure to get a new copy of the WU Troubleshooter since it was updated Dec 11, 2018.  https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/10164/fix-windows-update-errors
Title: Re: Windows 10 October 2018 Update Released
Post by: DR M on December 17, 2018, 02:53:00 AM
Good morning.

All the above done. But I a try for a last time to install the update. Nothing. The computer freezes and becomes nonfunctional.
Title: Re: Windows 10 October 2018 Update Released
Post by: Corrine on December 17, 2018, 10:46:03 AM
It is time to go to Sysnative then.  Be sure to describe the issue you're having when you provide the requested information. Windows Update Forum Posting Instructions (https://www.sysnative.com/forums/windows-update/4736-windows-update-forum-posting-instructions.html)
Title: Re: Windows 10 October 2018 Update Released
Post by: DR M on December 17, 2018, 03:24:25 PM
It is time to go to Sysnative then.  Be sure to describe the issue you're having when you provide the requested information. Windows Update Forum Posting Instructions (https://www.sysnative.com/forums/windows-update/4736-windows-update-forum-posting-instructions.html)

I asked for help at Sysnative here: Problem with Windows 10 update (1809) (https://www.sysnative.com/forums/windows-update/26969-problem-windows-10-update-1809-a.html#post241528)
Title: Re: Windows 10 October 2018 Update Released
Post by: Corrine on December 19, 2018, 03:38:09 PM
Status Update from Windows 10 update history (https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4464619)

Quote
Current status of Windows, version 1809, Windows Server 2019, and Windows Server, version 1809

Rollout Status as of December 17, 2018: Windows 10, version 1809, is now fully available for advanced users who manually select “Check for updates” via Windows Update.
Title: Re: Windows 10 October 2018 Update Released
Post by: Aaron Hulett on December 19, 2018, 03:45:12 PM
"for advanced users who manually select “Check for updates” via Windows Update."

So that would be all our grandparents who we security professionals taught to click regularly...

I believe the Windows group has its head up its butt.
Title: Re: Windows 10 October 2018 Update Released
Post by: DR M on December 20, 2018, 06:56:10 PM
The update has finally been installed!

https://www.sysnative.com/forums/windows-update/26969-problem-windows-10-update-1809-a.html#post242139

I will never check for updates again! It seems that every computer need specific updates for an older version before be ready for a new one.

Thank you. :)

Title: Re: Windows 10 October 2018 Update Released
Post by: Corrine on December 20, 2018, 09:18:35 PM
(https://www.sysnative.com/forums/images/smilies/dance.gif)

I'm glad it was finally installed. 
Title: Re: Windows 10 October 2018 Update Released
Post by: Pete! on February 28, 2019, 10:56:47 AM
As far as I know Microsoft has stopped the 1809 update until further testing is completed. ....
That's been my experience:

10-03-18 - I was having some BSOD problems with version 1809, so I went back to version 1803.

10-09-18 - I clicked on "Check for Updates" The Cumulative update, the Malicious Software Removal Tool, and the Flash Player updates for version 1803 were all downloaded and installed. There was no attempt to reinstall version 1809.

November, December, January, & early February - Got all the updates for version 1803 via "Check for Updates", there was no attempt to install version 1809.....

02-27-18 - I clicked on "Check for Updates". The second Cumulative update (KB44870290) for February installed.

02-28-18 (TODAY) -  I clicked on "Check for Updates". As I type this, Feature update to Windows 10, version 1809 is installing currently at 47%.....

Should I be worried?
Title: Re: Windows 10 October 2018 Update Released
Post by: Pete! on February 28, 2019, 05:26:26 PM
As far as I know Microsoft has stopped the 1809 update until further testing is completed. ....
That's been my experience:

10-03-18 - I was having some BSOD problems with version 1809, so I went back to version 1803.

10-09-18 - I clicked on "Check for Updates" The Cumulative update, the Malicious Software Removal Tool, and the Flash Player updates for version 1803 were all downloaded and installed. There was no attempt to reinstall version 1809.

November, December, January, & early February - Got all the updates for version 1803 via "Check for Updates", there was no attempt to install version 1809.....

02-27-18 - I clicked on "Check for Updates". The second Cumulative update (KB44870290) for February installed.

02-28-18 (TODAY) -  I clicked on "Check for Updates". As I type this, Feature update to Windows 10, version 1809 is installing currently at 47%.....

Should I be worried?
The bad news:
At about 79% or 80% everything on the computer froze "not responding".
When I tried to close the unresponsive programs via Task Manager, it froze.
After a forced reboot, it started reinstalling 1809 from the start and again froze at 79%.
I forced another reboot, and immediately downloaded and ran the "MediaCreationTool".

The good news:
The media creation tool installed version 1809 without a hitch.
The software incompatibility problem I had in October appears to be gone.
It took me all morning, but I'm back online :)

IMHO: When it's time for a new version, the MediaCreationTool, is a much better bet than WindowsUpdate.
Title: Re: Windows 10 October 2018 Update Released
Post by: Corrine on February 28, 2019, 05:35:14 PM
Curiously, it still hasn't been offered on my 2008 laptop, even though my desktop of the same age is working fine on the latest Insider Build. 
Title: Re: Windows 10 October 2018 Update Released
Post by: Corrine on March 01, 2019, 06:48:00 PM
I obviously spoke too soon because finally today 1809 was offered on my laptop and just finished installing.  There certainly is a difference in the time from restart to desktop with the current Insider Builds (19H1) expected to be released in the Spring (April?).  Recent builds only take about 20 minutes from restart to desktop whereas it took 1:30 for 1809.