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Windows 10 Users --Like It or Not, You're Updated
« on: June 11, 2015, 07:04:05 PM »
I came across some unsettling news about Windows 10, which I am still uncertain about using.

Apparently, Microsoft is going to force updates on Windows 10. There will be no option to not update this operating system.  The Windows Updates will be shoved down users throats. :thud: :sos: :muahaha: :blink:

http://www.howtogeek.com/219166/you-won%E2%80%99t-be-able-to-disable-or-delay-windows-updates-on-windows-10-home/

I think that I will have to stick with my Windows 7 as long as possible. With surprises like this, this, no doubt, may not sit well with numerous potential Windows 10 users.

What do you think of this potentially Big Brother move by Microsoft? :evil: :angry:

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Re: Windows 10 Users --Like It or Not, You're Updated
« Reply #1 on: June 11, 2015, 07:30:00 PM »
Note that is Windows 10 Home. With Windows 10 professional, you can delay Updates. If you currently have Window 7 or Windows 8 professional, you will get W10 Pro and will be able to defer updates.

I don't see this as a problem and certainly not unique. Many other programs and devices update automatically. This is not MS being big brother. This is ensuring everyone has the latest and is no different from smart phones, or even smart TVs, satellite radios, and other devices.
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Re: Windows 10 Users --Like It or Not, You're Updated
« Reply #2 on: June 11, 2015, 08:13:30 PM »
The Home edition is geared toward the individual home user, not the 'geek' or the computer person who has the knowledge and ability to customize their setup.  I think it likely that for valid security concerns Microsoft wants to limit that home user's ability to defer any/all automatic updates.

The Professional edition is geared for the more advanced users, the ones who are more likely to understand the update process ... or in the case of small businesses, may use other tools to install updates over the network.  That would be especially true of the large companies who would be using the Enterprise edition.
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Re: Windows 10 Users --Like It or Not, You're Updated
« Reply #3 on: June 11, 2015, 08:37:28 PM »
Just another reason i use linux!
Im so grateful Mitch "forced" me to learn/use Linux.
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Re: Windows 10 Users --Like It or Not, You're Updated
« Reply #4 on: June 11, 2015, 09:02:48 PM »
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Just another reason i use linux!
And I think that is an extremely significant point. No one is forcing us to use Windows.
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Re: Windows 10 Users --Like It or Not, You're Updated
« Reply #5 on: June 11, 2015, 09:44:32 PM »
Digerati,
You hit the nail on the head.
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Re: Windows 10 Users --Like It or Not, You're Updated
« Reply #6 on: June 11, 2015, 11:04:52 PM »
When we purchase a computer with a Microsoft Windows operating system, although we own the hardware, we are purchasing a license to use the software.  The terms of the license for Windows 10 Home specify that updates will be automatically installed.  Fortunately, that information is being shared widely and anyone with a "Home" version who does not want to give up control of Windows Updates, can stay with the OS they have.  Then, when it is time to purchase a new device, go for the Pro version and retain control.


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Re: Windows 10 Users --Like It or Not, You're Updated
« Reply #7 on: June 12, 2015, 01:27:28 AM »
When we purchase a computer with a Microsoft Windows operating system, although we own the hardware, we are purchasing a license to use the software.  The terms of the license for Windows 10 Home specify that updates will be automatically installed.  Fortunately, that information is being shared widely and anyone with a "Home" version who does not want to give up control of Windows Updates, can stay with the OS they have.  Then, when it is time to purchase a new device, go for the Pro version and retain control.

That's actually my plan. I'll stay with Windows 7 until my computer needs to be replaced, then I'll go Pro. I prefer to have control, especially in view of the MS update fun over the past year.
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Re: Windows 10 Users --Like It or Not, You're Updated
« Reply #8 on: June 12, 2015, 04:04:42 PM »
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especially in view of the MS update fun over the past year.
I hear you but it is also really important to put that into proper perspective.

There are estimated to be more than 1.4 billion Windows computers in use worldwide and the vast majority of those run with default settings - that is, Windows Update downloads and installs automatically. And more importantly, the vast majority of those have had no problems whatsoever with Windows Updates.

I myself have 7 W7 and W8 systems in this house and all are set at the default except two and they are set to download, but then yell at me. But I generally just install what is offered and again, with no problems.

The problem is, if just .1% have problems, that is still 1.4 million and 1.4 million upset users can and do make a lot of noise. And when 1.4 million come to these forums complaining, it can seem we are inundated and that Windows Update is a total disaster. But it really isn't - especially if allowed to keep Windows updated regularly and the computer is otherwise properly maintained and secured.

Most of my clients, friends, and family want and expect their computers to work as hassle free as their microwave ovens, TVs or any other "appliance" in their homes. And for them, I have no qualms telling them to just keep Windows Update at the default settings. Keeping Windows current results in much less problems for non-experts (and me) than letting non-experts manage their systems manually.

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Re: Windows 10 Users --Like It or Not, You're Updated
« Reply #9 on: June 12, 2015, 05:26:33 PM »
Do all of those 1.4 billion Windows computers have high-speed internet access? What is the poor slob on a dial-up connection supposed to do? How can he be expected to download double (or sometimes triple) digit megabytes of updates each month?

A dial-up user needs to be able to control when and how these updated are applied. Within my circle of friends the dial-up users normally have go to a computer that has high-speed internet access and download the updates to a thumbdrive. Then they go home and update their machines from the thumbdrive.

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Re: Windows 10 Users --Like It or Not, You're Updated
« Reply #10 on: June 12, 2015, 05:58:20 PM »
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Do all of those 1.4 billion Windows computers have high-speed internet access?
Of course not. In the US alone there are an estimated 3 million that still use dial-up. But believe it or not, the US is behind most advanced industrialized countries when it comes to broadband access.

But just because you are on dial-up that in no way means you should not keep your computer updated. I realize keeping systems updated for dial-up users is, and will continue to be a challenge. But updates come out every Tuesday to spread out the pain. And W10 updates supposedly will be more frequent too.

I don't know what the best solution will be for dial-up users. Those with portable device can hopefully visit free broadband hotspots. Otherwise, they may have to go to Linux.
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Re: Windows 10 Users --Like It or Not, You're Updated
« Reply #11 on: June 12, 2015, 06:55:26 PM »
I'm late to this discussion (as usual) and totally in the dark (as usual).  :blink:

For the first time on my Windows 8.1 laptop, I found the albino Windows10 marker in my activities tray. It wants to update me.

When I look at properties of my computer, it just says version 8.1, 64-bit. It does not say Home or Pro, just 8.1.

I don't want to presume with this crazy stuff. Because it doesn't SAY "pro", is it a fair presumption that I purchased my laptop with the Home version?

The big question becomes, should I update? I've not seen any pro or con arguments yet, just outrage at being forced to update. I agree with that "forced" part, but would like to know more about what they're trying to do to me or "for me". Thoughts please.
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Re: Windows 10 Users --Like It or Not, You're Updated
« Reply #12 on: June 12, 2015, 07:05:30 PM »
Do all of those 1.4 billion Windows computers have high-speed internet access? What is the poor slob on a dial-up connection supposed to do? How can he be expected to download double (or sometimes triple) digit megabytes of updates each month?

A dial-up user needs to be able to control when and how these updated are applied. Within my circle of friends the dial-up users normally have go to a computer that has high-speed internet access and download the updates to a thumbdrive. Then they go home and update their machines from the thumbdrive.
When I was running Windows 8.x on dialup, I downloaded the updates in batches....
    First the small ones (under a meg) to get them out of the way,

    Then, the larger ones, one or two at a time (depending on their size).
This could take anywhere from a few hours to three days.
If I tried to do them all at once, it's doubtful I'd be able to keep a dialup connection open long enough.

It's possible, but you need to be able to control it. 

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Re: Windows 10 Users --Like It or Not, You're Updated
« Reply #13 on: June 12, 2015, 07:23:00 PM »
For the first time on my Windows 8.1 laptop, I found the albino Windows10 marker in my activities tray. It wants to update me.

Technically, it only wants you to reserve your free upgrade  :)

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When I look at properties of my computer, it just says version 8.1, 64-bit. It does not say Home or Pro, just 8.1.

I don't want to presume with this crazy stuff. Because it doesn't SAY "pro", is it a fair presumption that I purchased my laptop with the Home version?

I have the Home edition, and my properties screen says the exact same thing as yours.  Belarc Advisor tells me that same information.

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The big question becomes, should I update? I've not seen any pro or con arguments yet, just outrage at being forced to update. I agree with that "forced" part, but would like to know more about what they're trying to do to me or "for me". Thoughts please.

Well, that's going to be a matter of preference.  Most of the Windows 10 testers seem to like it.  You're not going to have to decide yes/no right away, you'll have plenty of time to see how the early adopters make out.

"feature-wise, Windows 10 is the new Windows 7":  http://www.techradar.com/us/reviews/pc-mac/software/operating-systems/windows-10-1267364/review
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Re: Windows 10 Users --Like It or Not, You're Updated
« Reply #14 on: June 12, 2015, 07:29:05 PM »
Thanks. love your answer...to the point as always.
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