Yes, it is Daylight Saving Time (DST) once again and I am still advocating a compromise of 1/2 time -- turn the clocks ahead 1/2 hour in the Spring (even though March 11 is a bit ahead of Spring) and then leave them alone!
As M3 Sweatt notes in Daylight Saving Time Arrives Sunday in the States: Prepare to Spring Forward and lose some sleep – Satisfy Me (https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/mthree/2018/03/10/daylight-saving-time-arrives-sunday-in-the-states-prepare-to-spring-forward-and-lose-some-sleep/),
Quotethere is only one "S" in the term "Daylight Savings Time.
That's correct. It is "Saving" not "Saving
S".
Since I doubt the powers that be will adopt my 1/2-time suggestion, I agree with M3 Sweatt that we should do away with the changes and remain on daylight saving time as discussed by Angela Chen in We should keep Daylight Savings Time forever (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/msn/we-should-keep-daylight-savings-time-forever/ar-BBK3YZM?ffid=gz).
As to adjustments to your computer, smart phone, cable/satellite service, etc. nothing is needed on your part. Electric alarm clocks, stove, microwave and other "non-smart" devices need to be set ahead one hour. I always "make the rounds" an hour or so before going to bed so I can start the mental process of adjusting to the time change.
What are your thoughts about the time change?
By the way, if you notice that the forum time does not match the correct current time, it can be changed on your profile.
At the top of the forum, click "Profile". Under "Modify Profile" select "Look and Layout". Click "auto detect", scroll to the bottom of the age and click "Change profile".
The "time" is just a convenient way of coordinating with the rest of the world.
As a retiree, I just get up when I'm rested, eat when I'm hungry, and go to bed when I'm tired.
When I was working, all my employers were running 24/7 operations. My hours were whatever it took to get the job done. With the exception of "meetings", if something had to be done, the time of day or night was irrelevant.
Having said that, I've already changed all the clocks in my home, except my wristwatch. I'll change that tomorrow.
From my pugs:
''Summer Time'' as we call it, will be applied on the 25th of March in Europe. So the time difference between you and me will become smaller for a few days. I don't like the time change. Also I don't agree that we should keep DST forever. Most of the jobs start at 7:30 a.m. here, so people would have to get prepared in the darkness, having in mind that we are the the easternmost island in the Mediterranean.
And therein lies the challenge. If you keep it forward, it's not great for a group. If you keep it back, it's not great for a group. If you flip it forward and back, it's not great either.
Which group will be ok with getting the short end of the stick?
Thus, my suggestion for 1/2-time. It is a compromise, providing an additional 1/2 hour of daylight in the morning as well as the evening. Plus, people (and pets) no longer need to adjust to the time change.
I didn't mind going to work in the dark as much as I minded going home in the dark and not having any evening daylight left.
Quote from: Corrine on March 10, 2018, 08:53:50 PM
I didn't mind going to work in the dark...
But that would not be easy for the children, especially for the smallest children (Kindergarten and the first classes of Primary School). And of course for the teachers, and for students' achievement etc....
QuoteAs a retiree, I just get up when I'm rested, eat when I'm hungry, and go to bed when I'm tired.
I like this. :)
Yup, Pete has the right attitude. (Too bad my dog doesn't think the same way. :D )
They've already show that the time change every spring is a health hazard. More heart attacks and traffic accidents happen on the spring time change than any other day of the year.
That alone should tell people its a bad idea to mess with body clocks.
The people that really have a confusing time of it are in Indiana, where different parts of the state either observe or don't observe the time change.
I hope Florida is successful in getting their time stabilized. Maybe they will start a trend.
Time. Hmmmmmmm. Time is interesting. I rarely think about time. I often forget which day it is. I sometimes wonder what month it is. Usually, when I wake up, my first thoughts before opening my eyes are "Where am I?" ... "What did I do last night?" ... "Did I kill anyone?" ... "Where's my wallet?" ... "Where's my mobile phone?" Hmmmm. Time. Alcohol. Hmmm.
Working at home, I often forget which country I'm in. No joke. It's odd, maybe. I keep my drapes closed. When I sometimes think about time, I glance at the bottom the drapes. If I see light, I think "OK ... it's now daytime."
Speaking of time, I'm getting pretty tired of constantly hearing about AI. I was telling a friend the other day that I know what's coming, and I DO NOT want to be here in 50 years. No joke. I wish someone would finally get around to making a time machine. I want to go back. I'll be first in line to buy one. '61 .. '71 ... either one would be OK. 2071? No thanks!
Rotary phones ... 13-channel televisions ... mom & pop grocery stores ... cars with an 8-track that run on GASOLINE. That'll work fine. If I run out of gas, I'll stick out my thumb and hitchhike.
One hour up, One hour back. Doesn't really matter to me.
Quote from: Pete! on March 10, 2018, 06:32:20 PM
The "time" is just a convenient way of coordinating with the rest of the world.
As a retiree, I just get up when I'm rested, eat when I'm hungry, and go to bed when I'm tired.
When I was working, all my employers were running 24/7 operations. My hours were whatever it took to get the job done. With the exception of "meetings", if something had to be done, the time of day or night was irrelevant.
Having said that, I've already changed all the clocks in my home, except my wristwatch. I'll change that tomorrow.
I do the same thing since I retired two years ago!! yea baby
QuoteAs a retiree, I just get up when I'm rested, eat when I'm hungry, and go to bed when I'm tired.
Just my words :)
I hate the winter time here. Not many hours with daylight here >:(
Summer time (DST) is in Europe too, from today.
Happy Independence Day for all the Greeks around the world.
Also, happy name day for Maria, Marios, Evangelia, Evangelos, Panayiota, Panayiotis (Panos) :)
All of Europe is celebrating your Name Day, Panos, by adding an extra hour of evening light. :) (Not to mention losing an hour of sleep.)
Quote from: Corrine on March 25, 2018, 12:33:37 PM
All of Europe is celebrating your Name Day, Panos, by adding an extra hour of evening light. :) (Not to mention losing an hour of sleep.)
Yes... Today is ... Saint Panos' day, so Europeans decided to extend the light hours! zzzzz....... ;D
Have you got used to the DST in USA??
Yes and really appreciating the extra daylight in the evening when I take the dog out. :)
I am not a morning person and I usually mind going to DST. This year, for some strange reason, I did not mind it and seem to be getting up around the same time as I did before the switch. (anytime between 8:15 and 9:30)
I like more light in the evening. I never complain about that.
Following a number of requests from citizens, from the European Parliament, and from certain EU Member States, the Commission has decided to investigate the functioning of the current EU summertime arrangements and to assess whether or not they should be changed.
https://ec.europa.eu/eusurvey/runner/2018-summertime-arrangements
Well, I know you're not in favor of DST, Panos. It is only early August, not all that long past the Summer Soltice, and I'm already not thrilled with the daylight hours being shorter.
You may get your wish, Panos. Europe ticks closer to ending daylight saving time (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/europe-ticks-closer-to-ending-daylight-saving-time/ar-BBMGU2d?OCID=ansmsnnews11):
QuoteEuropean Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker said Friday that he will bring forward proposals to scrap daylight saving time across the 28-nation European Union.
It follows a six-week on scrapping the practice. Preliminary results from the survey 84 percent of 4.6 million respondents want to end biannual clock changes.
"The debate about summer time, winter time has been going on for a while," Juncker said in an interview with NBC News' .
"Millions have answered and are of the opinion that the summer time should count at all times, that is how it will happen."
QuoteYou may get your wish, Panos.
It was not my wish, I only said that it would be rather difficult for younger students preparing in the dark.
Besides, I voted in favor of the DST. :)
Quote"Millions have answered and are of the opinion that the summer time should count at all times, that is how it will happen."
So it actually sounds like standard time will be scrapped.
Actually in the US, we are on DST for more months than we are on standard time.
Sunday March 11 2018 through Sunday November 4 2018 which is 34 weeks out of 52 weeks.
Perhaps we should skip falling back to standard time?
There is no decision yet. 80% does not want the time change. The EE will decide after analyze the results. It seems that the majority of Europeans prefers the DST, but nothing is confirmed yet.
Greek link, but the basic idea is the above I wrote: Τέλος στην αλλαγή της ώρας προανήγγειλε ο Γιούνκερ (https://www.huffingtonpost.gr/entry/telos-sten-allaye-tes-oras-proaneyyeile-o-yioenker_gr_5b88f6e8e4b0cf7b003426ec?nhj&utm_source=Contra&utm_medium=BestofNetwork_article&utm_campaign=24MediaWidget&utm_term=Pos2)
Back to the Winter's Time in Europe. At 28 of October, at 4:00 o' clock in the morning, clocks will show 3:00 a.m. Countries have to decide which time they will keep, till 29th of April. It's up to each country.
We go back to Standard Time a week later than you on Nov. 5th at 2am.
I'm not sure why they still call it standard time because it is only standard for a few months. Daylight Savings Time will start again on March 10 2019.
So standard time is 4 months and a week.
Quote from: plodr on October 25, 2018, 02:14:06 PM
We go back to Standard Time a week later than you on Nov. 5th at 2am.
I'm not sure why they still call it standard time because it is only standard for a few months. Daylight Savings Time will start again on March 10 2019.
So standard time is 4 months and a week.
"Our" DST starts on March 25. If we keep it, it will be the last time we change the clocks. If we prefer the Winter's/Standard time, we will have to do this once more, in October (28) of 2019. And that's it. No other clock change anymore.
Just to update on Australia. We have daylight savings for 6 months of the year but it commences depending in which state you live. Some states do not have it depending on their longitude.
In short when daylight savings is not in force we have 3 time zones but when daylight savings start we have 5 time zones. If you are confused so are the Aussies. :D :D
I know, when I look up my friends in Adelaide versus my friends in Sydney, Adelaide isn't always hours ahead sometimes it is hours and 1/2 hours.
Right now Sydney is 15 hours ahead but Adelaide is 14 1/2 hours ahead.
Ten timely facts about the changing clocks
Tick tock, it's time to change the clocks! The clocks go back to Greenwich Mean Time (GMT) on the last Sunday in October, meaning we all get the hour back that we lost on the last Sunday in March.
But why do the clocks change twice a year? Whose idea was British Summer Time (BST)? And do other countries do it too?
1. We change our clocks for the summer to make better use of daylight
The clue is in the name. The purpose of Daylight Saving Time (or British Summer Time to the Brits) is to make better use of our daylight hours. During the northern hemisphere summer, when the sun shows its face for longer, we change the clocks so as to move an hour of light from the morning to the evening – when more of us are likely to be up, out and about. There's little point in it being sunny when we're all asleep! Of course, early risers like bakers, baristas and babies may disagree.
2. Daylight saving was first proposed by Benjamin Franklin
Benjamin Franklin, the founding father and inventor, first proposed daylight saving in 1784 in a not-too-catchily-titled essay called 'An Economical Project for Diminishing the Cost of Light.' It was seen as a cunning way to save on candles. In Britain, it was William Willett who first ran with the idea in his 1907 pamphlet called 'The Waste of Daylight'. (Now, that's a better title.) It is said that the concept dawned on him when he was out riding his horse early one summer morning and noticed how many curtains were closed. Sadly, he never saw his idea come to fruition.
3. Germany was the first country to adopt daylight saving
Germany adopted Daylight Saving Time in 1916 with the UK following suit within a few weeks. Both countries were knee-deep in the First World War, and needed to make as much use of daylight as possible in order to conserve coal. Parliament formalised this with The Summer Time Act of 1916, which stated that from Spring through to Autumn the legal time should be one hour ahead of Greenwich Mean Time.
4. During WWII we put the clocks forward by two hours
During the Second World War, British Double Summer Time was introduced. In the summer we put our clocks forward by a whole two hours as a means of maximising productivity; and in the winter the clocks remained one hour in advance of GMT for the same reason.
5. For three years from 1968 we got rid of BST completely
We turned our backs on British Summer Time in 1968 – although not the acronym – and adopted British Standard Time. In 1971, however, we reverted back to BST. Sorry, we mean British Summer Time. Confused?
6. BST always begins on the last Sunday in March and ends on the last Sunday in October
It's always 1am on the last Sunday in March that clocks skip forward by an hour (which means the date always changes). And we're not the only ones that go full stead ahead with summer time on this Sunday. The EU states that all member countries should adjust their clocks on the same day. With one exception - Iceland. The clocks then go back an hour on the last Sunday in October at 2am.
7. Only three European countries keep their clocks constant all year
Iceland is exempt from the EU's DST directive. It's so far north that it has much more extreme variations in daylight and darkness throughout the year than us, and the impact of changing the clock by an hour would be negligible. Belarus and Russia also choose to remain on the same time all year round.
8. Around 70 countries worldwide adopt daylight saving
Most countries that deploy daylight saving measures are in Europe and North America. For countries on the equator, where daylight hours stay roughly the same throughout the year, daylight saving offers no real benefit.
9. Two American states opt out of Daylight Saving Time
In the U.S., daylight saving is used everywhere apart from Arizona and Hawaii – who get plenty of daylight and sunshine all year round. Rebels!
10. One monarch had his own time zone
Talking of rebels... In 1901, King Edward VII decided to invent his own time zone at the royal estate of Sandringham in Norfolk. The King, an avid fan of hunting, ordered all clocks on the estate to be set to 'Sandringham Time' – half an hour ahead of GMT – in order to squeeze in an extra 30 minutes of his favourite pastime each day.
Paddy... ;D
From Time zone update for the Kingdom of Morocco – Microsoft Daylight Saving Time & Time Zone Blog (https://blogs.technet.microsoft.com/dst2007/2018/10/26/time-zone-update-for-the-kingdom-of-morocco/):
Quote
Microsoft is aware of the upcoming time zone change for the Kingdom of Morocco. Morocco will remain permanently on UTC+01:00, instead of the previous plan of returning to UTC+00:00 on October 28, 2018.
Our official policy statement can be found at http://microsoft.com/time.
Though we plan to release a data update, there is insufficient lead time before this change goes into effect. Therefore, we are offering the following interim guidance as a temporary workaround until such an update can be properly created, tested, distributed, and installed.
Interim Guidance:
Until an update is made available, we recommend our customers temporarily switch to time zone "(UTC+01:00) West central Africa" as soon as possible. Selecting this time zone will reflect the correct current local time, but will not be correct for past events that occurred when Morocco was using UTC+00:00. Therefore, we recommend returning to "(UTC+01:00) Casablanca" after the aforementioned update is applied.
I've mentioned m3Sweatt before in this thread on Daylight Saving Time. Since we turn our clocks back here tonight, I thought it was appropriate that m3Sweatt posted his thoughts about DST. Since it is a very long collection of Tweets, I used "Spooler" to put the thread together. If you're interested in reading it, click the link below and allow a few seconds for the thread to be collected in a "blog-type" collection:
Quote
A thread by M3 Sweatt
Great question, raised again in the @seattletimes article by @frankkummer on the point of Daylight Saving Time. It's the economics and politics
Click here --> https://tinysubversions.com/spooler/?url=https://twitter.com/m3sweatt/status/1058828572285001728
Edit Note: mm3Sweatt saw my Tweet using the Spooler and went ahead and posted it as a blog post here: Your questions: It's time to "Fall Back" again in North America. What's the point of DST? – Satisfy Me (https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/mthree/2018/11/04/your-questions-its-time-to-fall-back-again-in-north-america-whats-the-point-of-dst/)
A month from today. :)
(https://www.landzdown.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F3.bp.blogspot.com%2F-VzYmWeKpjX4%2FTbAHNYgXZGI%2FAAAAAAAAAK0%2FcfPcgdAwKJM%2Fs1600%2Fsakura21.jpg&hash=da2cce7d07ef4f88d54bcc07396b59c57d14c78e)
I'm ready!
For the US is starts on March 10, 2019 so 2 weeks.
This is the easier change. I have candles at every window and need to reset 14 timers as well as all the clocks.
DST is running now in US. You didn't mention it. :)
Two more weeks for Europe (31.3. and not 24.3. as I thought). But the forum's clock shows the local time one hour ahead from now.
I'm still trying to adjust to the time change. My system is definitely not adapting this to the time change.
I just live in the wrong time, I always hate the change, maybe i need to move a couple over ;D
Pleeeeeeeeeeeease can we leave it forward and be done...
Yes, yes, yes! It is way past leaving it behind.
It is that time to spring ahead again. Daylight Saving Time arrives in the U.S. Sunday, March 8, 2020, 2:00:00 am clocks are turned forward 1 hour.
When will it end?
Three weeks yet for Europe.
QuoteWhen will it end?
https://www.timeanddate.com/time/change/usa?year=2020
Another really good reason to move to Arizona.
I hear congress is considering ditching the seasonal change. Not sure if the bill keeps standard time or just makes it daylight savings forever.
My grandfather always kept his watch set to standard time.
Of he had to show up "early" to accommodate others, he would do so.
Most aircraft operators observe UTC, it's within about 1 second of mean solar time at 0° longitude, and never observes Daylight Saving Time. It keep things from getting confused when lives may depend on good timing.
It is Europe's turn this weekend.
Time is relative to the observer. Then you add velocity, gravity and distance.. Oh my. :) ;)
It is that time again to "Spring Ahead" in the U.S. Daylight Savings Time becomes official at 2AM March 14, 2021 and ends November 7, 2021.
It won't be until March 28, 2021 that Europe does the same.
I need every minute of my beauty sleep, the lost hour won't be pretty :-\
When you consider that the airplane, and telephone were invented a long time ago.
And...
The internet has become commonplace.
IMHO: A lot of confusion could be avoided if the entire planet stayed permanently on UTC (aka "Zulu Time").
Employers, schools, & etc could set and change their operating hours to suit local conditions, and preferences.
I agree with you 100%, Pete. Also, as I've mentioned before, we could also adopt 1/2 time by permanently setting time back 1/2 hour in the Fall and leave it there.
LIKE THAT!
via Twitter from M3 Sweatt, American Academy of Sleep Medicine: Eliminate daylight saving time (https://aasm.org/american-academy-of-sleep-medicine-calls-for-elimination-of-daylight-saving-time/):
QuoteDARIEN, IL – Public health and safety would benefit from eliminating daylight saving time, according to a position statement from the American Academy of Sleep Medicine.
The AASM supports a switch to permanent standard time, explaining in the statement that standard time more closely aligns with the daily rhythms of the body's internal clock. The position statement also cites evidence of increased risks of motor vehicle accidents, cardiovascular events, and mood disturbances following the annual "spring forward" to daylight saving time.
"Permanent, year-round standard time is the best choice to most closely match our circadian sleep-wake cycle," said lead author Dr. M. Adeel Rishi, a pulmonology, sleep medicine and critical care specialist at the Mayo Clinic in Eau Claire, Wisconsin, and vice chair of the AASM Public Safety Committee. "Daylight saving time results in more darkness in the morning and more light in the evening, disrupting the body's natural rhythm."
More in the article.
Winter Time from today in Europe.
It's good for the morning wake up (not completely in the dark, at least for a few weeks). For those they are moving outside in the afternoon, it is a problem with the early darkness.
In any case, covid got all the attention the last 2 years and the discussions about not changing the time stopped.
I'm still advocating for 1/2 time by permanently setting time back 1/2 hour in the Fall and leaving it there without an adjustment in Spring.
19 states seek to make daylight saving time year-round
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/the-clock-clash-19-states-seeking-to-make-daylight-saving-time-year-round/ar-AAQjmle?
It is "Spring Ahead" time again in the U.S. The official time is 2 AM 13March2022, ending Sunday, 6November2022.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/senate-passes-bill-making-daylight-193310141.html
The Senate approved, by unanimous consent, legislation Tuesday that would make Daylight Saving Time permanent in the U.S. starting in 2023.
Now it's up to the House of Representatives.
Wish they would stop messing with time. While permanent DS time seems better than switching back and forth every half year, its still fake time, and scientists and doctors that understand bio and circadian rhythms say its detrimental to our body clocks not to be on standard time.
Aren't y'all just a little suspicious about something the whole senate agrees on?
The folks in the Midwest will be less than pleased about not seeing the sun until 9 AM
Sleep experts say we should adopt standard time instead: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/sleep-experts-say-senate-has-it-wrong-standard-time-not-daylight-saving-should-be-permanent/ar-AAV9l4d?ocid=uxbndlbing
Daylight Savings time ends in the U.S. at 2AM next Sunday, November 6th. November October 30th is the date for across the pond and, since it is already the 30th there, for a week they'll be an hour closer to us in time.
You mean October 30th. We are now an hour closer to you.
Oops! Fixed.
Although most European countries won't follow until March 26, it is time to "Spring Ahead" in the U.S. tonight.
Currently 19 U.S. states are on permanent daylight savings time. However, the Sunshine Protection Act, which was unanimously approved by the U.S. Senate last year has been reintroduced to the House of Representatives. Thus, there is the possibility the U.S. could switch to permanent daylight savings time.
Interesting information I obtained from M3Sweatt:
Permanent daylight saving time could have health downsides (https://www.npr.org/2022/03/19/1087712609/permanent-daylight-saving-time-could-have-health-downsides?utm_campaign=storyshare&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social)
One problem with permanent daylight saving time: Geography (https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/meet-the-press/one-problem-permanent-daylight-saving-time-geography-n1292415)
Perhaps switching to permanent standard time would be the best option.
Its so strange how the states change there clocks weeks before we do here in the UK!
I'm tired and crabby...... Every year.
Quote from: DR M on October 30, 2022, 08:28:18 AMWe are now an hour closer to you.
That hour closer is gone tonight. It is your turn, Panos, and yours too, therock247uk.
Yes, it's the day I don't like at all.
Just got changed!
Daylight Savings Time ends across the pond on October 29, 2023 at 01:00 GMT. The U.S. follows next week, November 5, 2023.
*waves from the future*
It is almost time to change from standard time to daylight saving time and lose an hour's sleep in the U.S. Saturday, March 8th ends standard time here. As I'm located in UTC-5, I'll be another hour behind closer to my friends across the pond who won't be turning back their clocks until the last Saturday in March.
I always thought it was strange on how we don;t do our clocks for another few weeks lol.
Quote from: Corrine on March 07, 2024, 11:03:20 PMIt is almost time to change from standard time to daylight saving time and lose an hour's sleep in the U.S. Saturday, March 8th ends standard time here. As I'm located in UTC-5, I'll be another hour behind my friends across the pond who won't be turning back their clocks until the last Saturday in March.
Since you will turn your clock an hour ahead, you are going to be an hour
closer to your friends across the pond. Right?
Quote from: DR M on March 08, 2024, 02:33:07 PMSince you will turn your clock an hour ahead, you are going to be an hour closer to your friends across the pond. Right?
Correct! I don't know where my head was at when I wrote that. I've corrected my post. Thanks!
Tonight is the night for friends across the pond to join in daylight savings time! Hope that the loss of an hour'sleep won't disrupt your Easter celebration. Happy Easter on both sides of the pond!
Yes, tonight it's that time...
As to the Orthodox Easter, is on May 5th.
But for all the friends celebrating tomorrow, I am sending warm wishes for a Happy Easter.
Happy Easter!
Happy Easter to all yes we've all lost an hours sleep but it's worth it to welcome lighter night's and hopefully some better weather..
Paddy..
I dunno,I think the time change is silly.....
I thought for sure I heard last year they werent gonna do it anymore but then they did it this year!
Someone told me they keep talking about doing it but they dont.......