Need people running Palemoon

Digerati · March 28, 2020, 06:56:59 PM

I just tried a couple again and having no problems here.

Frands · March 28, 2020, 06:59:02 PM

Ok! Thanks. :) I was just thinking if it is a problem as well.

Pete! · March 28, 2020, 07:25:41 PM

Quote from: Frands on March 28, 2020, 06:26:50 PM
Is Youtube very slow where you are? It has been very slow here the last past 3 weeks.

There are reports of too much bandwidth usage in the NY metropolitan area including northeastern NJ, since the "stay home" orders.

I didn't notice anything until early yesterday morning when I was streaming TV news. The picture kept breaking up and/or buffering. I tried a different station using a different app, with similar results.

At that time of day, the content of the news station I was attempting to view is essentially the same as their local broadcast/cable affiliate, so I ended up switching HDMI ports and using the cable box.

If it's affecting the other streaming services, I imaging it's affecting YouTube.

Digerati · March 28, 2020, 07:36:45 PM

Quote from: Pete! on March 28, 2020, 07:25:41 PM
Quote from: Frands on March 28, 2020, 06:26:50 PM
Is Youtube very slow where you are? It has been very slow here the last past 3 weeks.
There are reports of too much bandwidth usage in the NY metropolitan area including northeastern NJ, since the "stay home" orders.

If it's affecting the other streaming services, I imaging it's affecting YouTube.

Good point though I suspect it is happening all over and not just NYC. It could be bandwidth or just servers getting hit with an abnormal number of requests - or more likely, a combination of both.

plodr · March 29, 2020, 01:22:06 PM

I really hesitated posting at the Palemoon forum, due to the fact that Moonchild is extremely arrogant. He just keeps proving my point with his responses.
I'm not about to revisit that thread to read his unhelpful remarks.

Moonchild kept pointing the finger at my addons then my plugins. He could have saved us both time by posting the DRM issue at the start of the thread. (I'm sure he was aware of the issue; why did he not mention it until he had me jump through hoops?) I thought perhaps I caused the problem when I removed flash from all four Windows 7 computers last year. (Since Adobe is ending flash in Dec. 2020 and flash needs to be patched, I figured, remove it now and use html5.)

As I said, I will fire up Vivaldi or Firefox when I stumble across any video that YouTube refuses to play. I can also fire up my android tablet and see it on there.

YouTube has been slow for me since January. I always see "if playback doesn't begin shortly,..." When I updated PM to 28.9, that problem was gone but I had other issues. Now running 28.9.0.2 it is back to being slow to start.

Thanks again to everyone here who tried it and reported what happened. I probably should have done that at the outset and skipped the Palemoon forum. People here are helpful, not rude.

Digerati · March 29, 2020, 03:04:56 PM

QuoteHe could have saved us both time by posting the DRM issue at the start of the thread. (I'm sure he was aware of the issue; why did he not mention it until he had me jump through hoops?)

In his defense - well, not "defense" but as a possible explanation for him not mentioning it right away; he might not have realized this was a DRM issue. I say that only because there was never any mention that your video was a "movie" and thus perhaps copyrighted and protected by DRM.

In fact the word "movie" doesn't show up in that thread until the very last post. That is NOT however, an excuse or defense of the behavior demonstrated or the "tone" of the replies you received from the staff there. I am just saying DRM might not have occurred to him until someone else mentioned it later in the thread.

FTR, PaleMoon was my preferred and default browser for many years - I think I started using it around 2010. I probably saw Corrine mention it somewhere! IE had been my default, but it seemed more and more sites were moving towards W3C standards and away from IE/MS standards. Plus it seemed MS was already beginning to abandon IE. It stopped working right.

I really liked PM, but I was never truly happy with it. Little issues kept bugging me. When W10 came out with the original Edge, I gave it a try. But that clearly was an unfinished, underdeveloped, flawed product right out of the gate. I maybe gave it 30 minutes before moving back to PM.

Fast forward to 2019 and I was becoming more and more disappointed with PM due to various site rendering problems. For example, I could never view my water/sewer/trash bill with PM because the webpage would never, and still will not load in PM. But it loads fine with every other browser.

This is a public utilities company for the largest metro area in Nebraska. I contacted them and they said they only support the major, "standards compliant" browsers like FF, IE, Chrome, and Safari. Not sure IE would be considered "standards compliant" but that's not really the point. The point is, every month to view my bill so I could pay it, I had to remember to call up a different browser. Chrome worked fine so I used that.

I was having problems with other sites too, including forums I visit daily. So when the "new", Chromium-based Edge came out, I gave it a try and soon discovered I had no problems viewing any site I went to, I switched to Edge as my default. At first, I figured it would be just for a short test/evaluation period. But it didn't take long to realize Edge was working better (at least for me) than PM did. So Edge is now my default. I don't miss PM.

I know there are many who refuse to give Edge a fair shot because it has the Microsoft brand on it. But that is a biased viewpoint. Folks need to set aside their prejudices and give it a fair shot. Microsoft is NOT the same company it used to be. Edge is NOT IE. Today's Edge is not even the same Edge that originally came with W10!

I am not suggesting everyone switch to Edge. I am just saying if not totally happy with your current browser, forget the brand behind it and give the "new" Edge a fair shot.

Eventually, it will be pushed out to all W10 users so if using W10, you may already have it. The latest version is Version 80.0.361.69. If you don't have it yet (or you are still using W7/W8.x) you can download it from here.

ky331 · March 29, 2020, 03:23:56 PM

I have been using Edge --- first, a "recent" version of "regular" Edge; and now, Edge Chromium --- and I'll say it's working really well for me. It opens up MUCH faster than my other browsers (FF is especially slow to open) --- at least on my systems --- and I've been customizing its FAVORITES bar to meet my daily needs.

For extensions, I've added uBlock Origin, and HTTPS Everywhere.

Digerati · March 29, 2020, 03:44:32 PM

Speaking of extensions, one thing nice about the new Edge is there is just one programming model for extensions for both the new Chromium-based Edge and Google Chrome. So extensions made for Chrome work in Edge too.

So if you see anyone claiming it does not have good extension support, they clearly have not done their homework or bothered to give Edge any sort of fair chance.

satrow · March 29, 2020, 03:47:17 PM

Quote from: plodr on March 29, 2020, 01:22:06 PM(I'm sure he was aware of the issue; why did he not mention it until he had me jump through hoops?)

Perhaps he didn't feel he had the immediate time to set up a working US/CA VPN (not all 'American' VPN's are allowed access, as I discovered) and test it for himself?

Corrine · March 29, 2020, 03:56:58 PM

Quote from: Digerati on March 29, 2020, 03:04:56 PM
FTR, PaleMoon was my preferred and default browser for many years - I think I started using it around 2010. I probably saw Corrine mention it somewhere! IE had been my default, but it seemed more and more sites were moving towards W3C standards and away from IE/MS standards. Plus it seemed MS was already beginning to abandon IE. It stopped working right.

A quick search showed that the earliest mention of Pale Moon here at LzD was in March, 2014. In fact, that was when I switched to it: Pale Moon Browser.

Digerati · March 29, 2020, 04:08:48 PM

Quote from: Corrine on March 29, 2020, 03:56:58 PM
A quick search showed that the earliest mention of Pale Moon here at LzD was in March, 2014. In fact, that was when I switched to it: Pale Moon Browser.

Yeah, that was just a guess based on the Wikipedia article that says PM came out in Oct 2009. It might have been your SG blog in 2014 when I first started using it. It just seems longer than that. "I'm not into time, Man!" ;)

Quote from: satrowPerhaps he didn't feel he had the immediate time to set up a working US/CA VPN (not all 'American' VPN's are allowed access, as I discovered) and test it for himself?

I supposed that is possible but I would think since so many PM users live in the US, such a test platform would already be set up.

satrow · March 29, 2020, 05:19:18 PM

Quote from: Digerati on March 29, 2020, 04:08:48 PM... since so many PM users live in the US, such a test platform would already be set up.

Any US/CA-based helpers on the PM site wouldn't require a VPN, Tobin's US and he made the call on DRM, presumably after eventually running a quick check.

Digerati · March 29, 2020, 06:20:07 PM

QuoteAny US/CA-based helpers on the PM site wouldn't require a VPN

I realize that. My comment was in response to you suggesting "he" (presuming you meant Moonchild) didn't set this up. My point is, that should not matter. He should have checked out the link plodr provided. If it didn't work, he would have seen it didn't work. If it worked, he would have seen it was a copyrighted movie and [hopefully] at that point realized it was a DRM issue.

QuoteTobin's US and he made the call on DRM, presumably after eventually running a quick check.

Yes, after another poster suggested it. The "call" was likely a good one. The crass replies from both Moonchild and especially Tobin were not. plodr said nothing in her first 4 posts that caused her to deserve being told by the site admin/owner to "use your brain", for example. Prefacing an undeserved slap in the face with "kindly" does not make the slap less offensive.

Then Tobin, a site moderator, joining in with his derisive comments was no less offensive, IMO. The video played perfectly fine for me with Edge, Chrome, and FF - but not PM. I had no reason to suspect DRM either. Is every PM user supposed to automatically know PM does not support DRM when virtually every other popular browser does? There certainly is nothing on the Palemoon homepage listing its limitation.

The error message says nothing about DRM. But it does clearly mention "HTML5". So did plodr's conclusion that PM can't handle HTML5 call for Tobin to join the thread to call her conclusion "Such bullshit"?

And again, if it is that obvious as Tobin implies, then it seems to me Moonchild should have immediately realized it too - IF only he tried the link in first place. For if he had, he would have immediately seen it was a movie.

satrow · March 29, 2020, 06:44:05 PM

Quote from: Digerati on March 29, 2020, 06:20:07 PM
QuoteAny US/CA-based helpers on the PM site wouldn't require a VPN
I realize that. My comment was in response to you suggesting "he" (presuming you meant Moonchild) didn't set this up. My point is, that should not matter. He should have checked out the link plodr provided.

He(yes Moonchild)'s based in SE.

Tobin's NOT a site or forum moderator.

PM's a web browser, it's never had DRM, not likely to either, for reasons linked to in that topic.

Seen similar topics elsewhere involving Edge when all that was required was triggering a WMP codecs download.

Nothing and no-one's perfect, esp. when times are difficult/hectic/repetitive/...

Digerati · March 29, 2020, 07:15:54 PM

QuoteTobin's NOT a site or forum moderator.

I don't know how they set their staff hierarchy up so may not be a "site" (as in "global") moderator. But he certainly is a moderator on the site. As seen on this page, he is the moderator for at least the Binary Outcast Projects and the Off-Topic forums.

QuotePM's a web browser, it's never had DRM

I don't understand your point. Edge, FF, Chrome are web browsers. They support playing DRM content.

QuoteNothing and no-one's perfect, esp. when times are difficult/hectic/repetitive/...

Ummm, I don't see where that plays here either. Difficult and hectic are not factors or excuses. If Liz had asked this same question repetitively, then maybe. But AFAIK, she hadn't. How many times do we see the same questions over and over? Enough for me to have a 60+ page Word document of "canned" texts responses. Plus a bad day may explain one staff members behavior, not both.