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Still learning XP from using Win98 for so long.
These questions relate to computers set up with multiple user accounts in home edition including Administrator, Limited, or Guest accounts/profiles.
My assumption is that most, if not all anti-virus scanners when you select full system scan, scans all profiles.
If that's the case, is the same true for all anti-spyware scanners?
I know in AdAware there is an option under Tweak...Scanning Engine to check scan registry for all users.  If that is checked, then all user accounts/profiles are scanned regardless of what profile you are logged onto when you start the scan?
At another forum, someone stated that Spybot only scans in the profile that you are logged onto at the time.  Is that the case, and if so, should a Spybot scan take place in each profile?
And then my same questions extend to the other programs I am using like Counterspy and Ewido.
As I review scan logs from Ewido, a single log includes information from multiple profiles, but is it any more effective to initiate a scan in the administrator profile as opposed to a limited one?
And CCleaner...this tool needs to be run individually in each profile as far as I can tell.  Is there a way to run in once for all profiles at the same time?
And while I'm on the subject, should HijackThis always be opened, start scans, and "fix" things in the administrator profile or does it matter?
My brain is wanting to say that if a scanner identifies an infected file or some malware in one person's profile, then all additional scanning and clean up should be inititated being logged onto that profile and focused in that same profile, even if that profile is limited.  Or should you log onto a profile with admin rights? 
Obviously, still trying to understand this file sharing between profiles by reading all the microsoft support pages, but it's triggered these questions as to how these security programs are scanning when there are multiple user profiles.

ripley,

Quotequestions relate to computers set up with multiple user accounts in home edition including Administrator, Limited, or Guest accounts/profiles

I would say unfortunately not as Limited accounts holders can not remove certain files / Folders
but it is always good practice to scan with Administration rights.

GR@PH;<'S   :breakkie:

Good questions  :)
I just set up a Limited User Account for the first time, and share many of your questions.  Or, I guess I'm still in the process of setting it up.  Anyway, I'm using XP Home, too, and I'll be interested to read any replies here.

Now see, I just ran all my usual scans for the first time since setting up the new user.  But I don't see any indication that the separate accounts/profiles are being scanned individually.  All the scans went through as usual.  I have not yet connected the new account/profile to the internet, though, so maybe that's why none of my programs seem to have recognized it.  Or maybe one must scan all accounts/profiles individually.  I just don't know :?

Ripley, would you mind if I list my security programs, here in your thread?  Since we're asking the same question, it might be easier for other members to reply in one place?

Clearly it would make sense to to start scans in an administrator profile as GR@PH;<'S says so it has the authority to remove/clean, and it would reason that any HJT fixing should take place there as well.
But, scanning should be done in each limited profile as well?
In my case, AdAware shows no critical objects in the adminisrator profile, but finds critical objects in the limited, (which aren't cookies or MRU's) when profiles are switched and it's re-scanned in the limited profile.
Spoke to tech support at Counterspy/Sunbelt and it was recommended to scan in the administrator profile, but to also log on to the other profiles and scan there as well.

And Brynn, unless a moderator says otherwise, I have no problem with you posting your questions as it is the same topic.

have you tried to
in user

right click the user shortcut and select "run as " and select admin and password  and run aaw?

some programs install in all user, some in admin, some in where it was installed and you can't easly controll that ! ( you can look through the expanded windows folder and see

ewido works for all, but A2 is in admin only ;-(

but i still like being online as user as a bit more protection !
and to be realy safe i now do linux for 99% of online

mitch,

Quotebut i still like being online as user as a bit more protection !
and to be realy safe i now do linux for 99% of online

I agree (https://www.landzdown.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fsmilies.sofrayt.com%2Ffsc%2Fwink2.gif&hash=026d7c7f666300aa5560f32f726a9d4a87a10844)

GR@PH;<'S   :breakkie:

Quote from: mitch on January 21, 2006, 02:28:59 AM
have you tried to
in user

right click the user shortcut and select "run as " and select admin and password  and run aaw?

I'm going to try this and remember this little tip.  I see it coming in quite handy in the future!  Thnx!  :thumbsup:

Quote from: mitch on January 21, 2006, 02:28:59 AM
some programs install in all user, some in admin, some in where it was installed and you can't easly controll that ! ( you can look through the expanded windows folder and see

ewido works for all, but A2 is in admin only ;-(

I am going to be coming back to this comment after I spend more time reviewing my expanded windows folder.

Thanks ripley  :)

If I'm understanding the replies thus far, there's no one answer.

• all should be run in admin account, as usual
• when scanning in admin, most programs also scan other user accounts
• some programs don't, so scans must also be run in the limited user account(s)
• Ad-Aware does not scan other user accts, so must be run separately in each user acct

(A2 is Ad-Aware?)

So mitch, are you saying that a security program scans where ever it was installed?  Oh...then I will not list all my programs, but instead, like ripley, check the "expanded windows folder" first.  If I can't figure it out from there, then I'll post my programs.  Only problem, I don't know what the "expanded windows folder" is, or where it is.  I would much appreciate if someone could let me know, please?

my thoughts


using different users can be a "black art"


click on
start/all programs/accessories/windows explorer


and on the left side click the "+"
on my computer
drive C
windows
documents and settings

and you will find settings for all users, the admin, the users

so one can be blocked from another user

and you can install a program in ADMIN and it will not show up in user at all !

on anti-crapware i usually give the user admin powers before i download the program ( say aaw) and install in the admin account and give it a shortcut

then i install it
then change user back to limited
then run the program
if troubles, right click on the shortcut and select "run as" admin !
REMEMBER in a limited account you can't get to everything, some are restricted

but i can run a scan in limited as limited and still clean out most things ;-)
ccleaner doesn't care and will work fine in limited my way ;-)

spywareblaster requires admin to update, but that's it

the original version of ms anti-spyware would do horrible things to me if it didn't have admin to run !
i don't know of any hard and fast rules but

1. if it doesn't run in USER then you will need admin powers ;-)
spybot runs in user but requires admin to update

so you won't find a list of easy rules or what will and wont run


but that" problem" is what is keeping you safer when you are on the web playing !


using USER for online
ie and oe set up for security
several FREE anti-crapware programs
good firewall ( sorry MS)
and common sense and not clicking to open everything


i have had one bad cookie in about the last 2 years


yep i have shown several bad things, but usually wait and find that the anti-crap ware program made a big bobo
even spybot S & D called my site bad news with c1 lop for about 6 months till they finally listend to me
aaw has called my site bad with their ad-watch
so no anti-crap program is 100 per cent right, if you get a hit on a bad thing...look around,post before you start killing good programs ( such as ace HTML editor) as you might not be able to get the program back and working again !

and do backup your total system !!!!! as your last line of defence!
i have had to use my backup three  times
1. when my hard drive died
2. microsoft had a "critical update" that killed win XP for me
3. a program killed my ACE html editor and deleted critial "infected files" and that version is not available anymore

and i do not like the joy of installing XP from scratch, doing all the updates ( sp-1 and sp-2) and others, trying to download and install all my programs
and remembering who is in my address book and all the filters on my spam software, and all the lost jpg's and gifs that can't be relpaced !

i can do a full backup of the drive in less than a hour and restore in less than a hour so i do a backup once a month or
before and after a critical update or install of a program !

sorry for being so long winded
mitch

i am not the big tech geek ! but have spent a fair amount of times on forums and have seen people like Spy Die,the gun and several other "big kids
work a HJT log for days and use several other programs to try and get a system clean again. and the one thing i figured out real quick
if i can keep the stuff off my system then i can spend more time in the loung area , my BP under controll, and playing and not working trying to remove junk !

Quote from: mitch on January 22, 2006, 06:39:07 PM
my thoughts

Actually, it nice to hear your thoughts and those "in the know" on these subjects.  It's helpful.

Quotesorry for being so long winded

There are those that are in a learning mode that relish the long winded replies that I for one can appreciate.

I personally have to added learning XP to my list but it's coming along.  I don't know how long I bounced between the documents and settings folder trying to figure out the difference between "computer settings" and user settings.

For instance,

Quotesome programs install in all user, some in admin, some in where it was installed and you can't easly controll that ! ( you can look through the expanded windows folder and see

ewido works for all, but A2 is in admin only

I have Ewido Security Suite and when I look in all users, admin, and my limited account docs & settings folders I don't see Ewido at all.  That's what thru me, but when I look at an Ewido log I can see multiple profiles scanned, thank goodness.  Which is what I'm trying to ascertain.

And "default users" well, that's for another thread, but what the heck is default user??

Brynn and Mitch, this was still the best quote of this whole thread

Quotehave you tried to
in user

right click the user shortcut and select "run as " and select admin and password  and run...(whatever program needs admin rights)

As currently I am the only person using this computer, but I am boogled by reading the stories of infected computers which are actually parents with kids/teenagers, that have MULTIPLE user accounts. And the associated computer management issues with this.  So many of the infected computers I'm reading about often contain knowlegable parents who just don't have the time or the know how to place contols on a system with multiple user accounts.  :soapboax: I haven't frequent them but I'm sure there are forums out there that have dedicated forum categories/threads to parental controls.
Getting back to my topic, I chosen to create multiple user accounts,
#1 Based on Mitch's suggestion, and that it's "safer" to surf in a limited user account(less chance of baddies getting in), especially if you are using Internet Explorer as your primary browser.
#2 For me, to learn more about XP.
#3 Because SO many of the poeple I know have created multiple accounts and yet are floundering when it comes to computer security of those multiple accounts.

I guess it comes back to age old story of the computer saavy dealing with the computer naive...and for those of you in the know, all I can say is you have the "patience of Job" and how appreciative us newbies are of the advantage of forums like Landzdown.

In honesty, the reason I started this topic was cuz I'm lazy.  Now that I've created multiple user accounts, and I had an idea that I had a good computer security plan, I read stuff like

Quoteso you won't find a list of easy rules or what will and wont run

I wanted easier answers.  But what I'm figuring out is that better computer security depends on MY taking alittle more time to come back to this subject and learning something like

Quoteso you won't find a list of easy rules or what will and wont run
but that "problem" is what is keeping you safer when you are on the web playing !

Brynn A-2 is here http://www.landzdown.com/index.php?topic=237.0 (http://www.landzdown.com/index.php?topic=237.0)
and AdAware is here http://www.landzdown.com/index.php?topic=235.0 (http://www.landzdown.com/index.php?topic=235.0)

ok one other thing i have discovered as a admin/user person ;-)

yes i have admin and user and i am the only person here outside of bobby ( and he can't type with his paws)
i have a folder called "stuff"
and use it occasionaly for logs and such. if i put a aaw log there i can view that log in admin ( if created in user) and such , it is a easy way for me to exchange data between user and admin if needed )

having something sitting on my desktop of user is hard to go surfing my drive to find it when i am logged in as admin

i don't think it is too hard to figure out the user/admin thing

set up the user for surfing and mail and the good security in admin ( but installed in user so i can go there and run and clean easly if needed)

and when i say right click the shortcut and log in as admin...well it still needs admin name and password ! so if you have a secure password little people arn't going to crack it ;-)
and you do have your admin account with a password?
and backed up on a floppy ?????????
hint...
http://members.accessbee.com/mitch/small_documents/XPRecoveryDisk.html (http://members.accessbee.com/mitch/small_documents/XPRecoveryDisk.html)

Hey Mitch, or anybody,

Quoteyour admin account with a password?
and backed up on a floppy ?????????
hint...
http://members.accessbee.com/mitch/small_documents/XPRecoveryDisk.html

Can you create an XP Recovery disk on on CDROM?
Or can it only be a floppy?

sorry but all the looking i did was for floppy

i always still get a floppy on my computers as still usefull for a few things

now you MIGHT be able to use a usb floppy but i am not sure if the usb drivers are loaded yet at that part of the boot?

and my last trick is i have a admin called "ghost" with no password on my system for in case someone has messed up my admin password i can get into "ghost" and correct things ;-)

Wow mitch, thanks for all the great info!
Sorry I've been a bit scarce, since my last reply in this thread.
Like ripley, I'm so grateful for the help and support of the more savvy and experienced members (geek or not!); I really treasure every comment I read from such professionals.  And I also must admit to wanting a list of rules (simple or not), although I can't really say it comes from laziness, for me.  However, this does shed some light on something that's been both confusing and frustrating for me, regarding the internet and tech support in general.

I don't know, maybe I'm just "old school", as they say :wink:  I've only had a pc and internet access for a few years, but I've been aware of, and understood the general idea of computers and the internet since college (in the late '70's).  :idea: Yeah, or maybe "old flower child" :flowers: would be apropos :mrgreen:  LOL!  Because my understanding of the original concept of the internet (or www?), as a medium, or tool, for facilitating the uninhibited free-flowing exchange of information, is very much like the idealism that I associate with the 60's generation....or maybe the concept of 'community', at its most basic, ie -- give whatever you can, take whatever you need, everything will balance out in the end.  (I realize that many folks consider this to be a naive perspective....so call me naive :roll:, and read on :lol:)

So when I first came to the internet, I expected an abundance of websites and forums whose goals are to help people.  And not just offering computer classes and technical support, but educational content for everything imaginable.  I expected people to be offering these things out of the goodness of their hearts, simply because they want to help others, and asking nothing in return!  Once I managed to learn how to work my computer, and I got to the internet, I was shocked and dismayed at the blatant commercialism!  Instead of teaching everything imaginable, people are using the internet to sell everything imaginable!  (as I said...call me naive :roll:....)

However, despite all the commercial pollution, up until the last few months, I still believed this free educational content must exist, and that I have just not found it, or learned enough to find it yet.  But I was becoming increasingly frustrated at the apparent lack of content and support for beginners.  I definitely find plenty of educational info available (witness LzD)...just precious little designed to assist rank beginners.  But given my belief that such content and support are inherent aspects of the internet, my frustration has lately been changing to anger....until now.

I don't think I can really verbalize entirely how this belief began to change for me.  Part of it is the realization that I'm no longer a mere novice, but perhaps have reached the level of an intermediate- or advanced-beginner...all on my own, without yet having found the educational material which I thought was part and parcel of the internet.  And mitch's and ripley's comments in this thread have really gelled this new concept for me -- it's not just this limited user account for enhanced security, for which there is "no list of easy rules" or instructions.  Indeed, I'm beginning to think it's more the exception than the rule, that any given computer issue will have clear-cut rules.

So, talk about long-winded!  Anyway, it's just...when you hear things like "it's all ones and zeros", and you begin to understand the concept of "digital"...well, maybe not "you", but I think, everything about computers must be very structured, regimented, and ultimately, clear and understandable...ie - rules and list for everything imaginable.  But mitch's and ripley's comments in this thread have really reinforced for me the notion that information, educational content and/or tech support are not necessarily available for every issue that one might encounter, in teaching oneself computer literacy/proficiency.

And why am I posting this discourse?  Partly to explain myself.  Not so much an apology, for everyone has their own learning curve ;)   But just to shed some light on my original motivation here at LzD.  This new understanding of the nature of computers and internet, will undoubtedly affect my use of all support forums -- hopefully resulting in more thoughtful requests for help...more patience with complex, yet helpful, replies...to name a couple of potential adjustments.  And partly in case there may be other members who might benefit from reading/hearing my thoughts, perceptions, and experience.

And finally getting back to the topic of this thread:

Quote"using different users can be a "black art""

I hope by this, mitch, you mean that not many people actually use the limited user account as a security measure, or that it's not widely understood as such...as opposed to there being something dark and unnatural about it?

Oh, Windows Explorer, yes I know what that is.  I just have never heard it called an "expanded windows folder".  I normally make fairly heavy use of it, and not sure it will help me understand, since I may have moved a program to another folder, besides where it was installed.  ...or am I still missing your point?  In my C drive, I have Owner (the admin), Brynn (the new limited user), and All Users.  But all the security programs are in All Users.  Is that what you would expect?

Well, the bottom line, I do understand, is that I have to dig into each program's documentation, to find out how it treats the limited user accounts -- not just in regard to what it scans, or from where; but also in regard to dl-ing and installing.  And I do understand that they are all different in this respect, or mostly different.

Quote"on anti-crapware i usually give the user admin powers before i download the program ( say aaw) and install in the admin account and give it a shortcut"

2 Qs on this comment:
---  I'm not sure what you mean by "...give the user admin powers...".  Are you talking about a different process than switching users, or in other words, a different process than logging out of user and logging in to admin?  Oh!  Or is this the "right-click > Run as admin" trick you mentioned?
---  "...give it a shortcut"  Give it a shortcut...from the limited user account?

Ok then, for whatever it's all worth, end of reply :D
Thanks for your patience,
especially mitch and ripley, and also everyone else who reads all this!

Brynn,
Quite alot said here...your

Quotethoughts, perceptions, and experience.

One comment came to mind with

Quotethere is "no list of easy rules" or instructions.  Indeed, I'm beginning to think it's more the exception than the rule, that any given computer issue will have clear-cut rules.

If there were 2 exact computer systems that started w/ the same exact software, but 2 different users, over time those systems would operate differently.  Maintained differently, organized differently, etc.  The variables are endless if you add internet, new peripherals, or any of the thousand options available to users.  Thus the rub for a goal of clear cut rules.  And the difficulty for a newbie to learn about maintaining/operating their computer, because it just takes time & attention to your computer, and it's hard to find the time to learn all ya want to know.  But it would appear that you've gained some insights here at LzD, as have I.

And then you read some threads in these forums...and you are reminded all that you don't know!  :tease:

ok some black art and magic juju beads in action ;-)


say i want to install adaware ok?
and i want it on all users


i would be in admin and go to control panel and allow all users admin rights ( don't panic just hang on)

then i would install adaware and say yep to a shortcut !

now it is installed right?


ok
now i would log off and go to a limited user account ( that now has god like powers)

and i would see a shortcut for aaw .......
but if not i would not be upset as it should be listed in start/all programs
and there i would make a shorcut

now i would go back to admin and cripple the powers of the user !

now if i was a user with limited powers aaw might not let me update or something i would right click the shortcut and "run as" and select a admin and password and poof that program will allow it !

(NOTE THIS WILL NOT WORK WITH MS anti-spyware ;-(  but i can run and update it in limited account so no worry)

now things i have found
spybot requires admin to update, same with spywareblaster

i can run my FTP program, but it won't let me download and gives errors ( so i admin it in user)

so i only have admin and user on this box ( ghost doesn't count as i never use it)

i do all my work online without too much trouble except for updating some of the av stuff as user !
and do 99.99 % of my offline stuff as user

when it is time for "update tuesday" from micro$oft i must be a admin to download and install!!


it just takes a bit to figure out how to do it, but you don't run spybot s and d every time you are on the computer ;-), nor aaw !


lately i have been playing with a cheap linux box and about the only time i am on XP is about once a week to update all my anti-crapware !!  ( and if i need to scan something ( no linux drivers for my cheap scanner) but i can ftp/e-mail/cd to my linux if needed ;-)

i am not a computer wizzard just a mortal !!!! but found out by bashing around without much trouble all is going well on admin/user for me !

just play with user for a while !!!!!if you don't like it and it is causes excessive hair loss , just delet it !

things i have learned over the years on computers!!
1. never buy a OEM computer/ make one or go to a local computer store.. oem uses cost cutting tricks ( itty bitty power supplies, non standard parts, one of a kind motherboards
2. software makers write programs for "common computers" so i usually make one with
soundblaster
nvidea
a motherboard company i have heard of ( asus and such)

and i have not had one problem with software drivers acting up or strange things happening in sood solid software !!!


i learned the lesson after a compaq and a cheap computer
well back to hair pulling on linux

mitch   :)

Thanks for the play by play.

Wish I would have known this 2 months ago when I purchased an OEM computer (w/o a floppy drive as well)

Quotenever buy a OEM computer/ make one or go to a local computer store.. oem uses cost cutting tricks ( itty bitty power supplies, non standard parts, one of a kind motherboards.

I can always add a floppy then I'd have the option of creating the XP Recovery disc someday, but alittle harder to switch out those other items. 

Oh well, live and learn here at Landzdown.  There will be other computers in the future and I'll remember that.

ripley


if not qualified, have a friend open up your box !!
a lot of the motherboards still have the connector for a floppy!!!!
and some of the new boxes still have a pop out for the 3 1/2 i floppy !

always best to have it on the IDE and not usb ( and a heck of a lot cheaper !) floppy-$10, floppy USB $40
it will be a ribbon connector close to the ide primary and secondary and about 2/3 rds the amount of pins ;-) two rows of pins
(just follow your hard drive ribbon cable to the motherboard and look ;-D

if you find something close...;do you have a camera? or if confused i could take a pic of my box without any clothes on ;-D

Quote from: mitch on February 05, 2006, 07:32:49 PM
or if confused i could take a pic of my box without any clothes on ;-D

Had to re-read this one!   :shock:   Was any easy choice for me.  Take a picture of my computer OR act confused and ask for a picture of mitch taking a picture without any clothes on!   :moreevil:

Actually, had to go take some smart pills and find out what an IDE was.  "An IDE interface is a standard way for a storage device to connect to a computer. Devices connect to the computer through an Integrated Drive Electronics (IDE) interface."  And they even had pictures at howstuffworks.com and Webopedia.  So I could see the primary/secondary rows & the shorter floppy one. 

I do have a punch out on this box.

In terms of being qualified, I've never opened a box before, but it doesn't look difficult.  Does qualified mean that I void a warranty if I do it?  Was thinking I'd just march it down to the local puter store and have them put it in.

looking around the web i found this

http://www.waterwheel.com/images/r0300019.jpg (http://www.waterwheel.com/images/r0300019.jpg)

he has the floppy drive cable in his hand ( note the two IDE connectors real close to it !

that is what you are looking for..the ide connector on the motherboard  ( two rows of pins) think about 20 pins per row or close to it ;-D

you can remove the side pannel ( unplug power first) and not void any warranty ( how could you add memory or any pci cards if you didn't remove the side ;-D

if in doubt, just take a pic !   

D

the side pannel to remove is usually the one on the left side ( looking from the front)


and usually 3 screws ( or thumbscrews) hold it in place on the back side

so you take the screws out, then slide the pannel towards the back about 3/4 inch and then you can remove ( it sits in a track (kinda)

now if you have a computer person they could check, maybe install it ?
my usual rate is 6 pack of pepsi per hour and about 1 hr to do it. so you can see it is not that tough to do ;-D

mitch  :)

Just examined my box to see how the side panel is removed.  One side is bolted, so that's how I know which panel.  But does it just pop off?
And then how do you get that "punch out" out?
I need to see my own box "without any clothes" on to get a grip on this.  But the pix give me an idea of what I'm looking for. 

Actually I've never seen the inside, or done any add-ons that required me to in there.

Looks do-able to me.

ripley,
Not to put you off doing as mitch has said but you could always buy a 1.44MB External USB Floppy Drive (http://froogle.google.com/froogle?q=usb+floppy+drive&hl=en&lr=&rls=com.microsoft:en-GB&sa=N&tab=ff&oi=froogler) they start from around $24.00 (usd) / £13.61 (GBP)

GR@PH;<'S  :breakkie:

Sorry for the reduntant question on the panel.
In the middle of my posting, I was logged out and had to log back in...and didn't notice your new reply.  :lol:
         

the one big + of a ide floppy
it is can be used to boot from, the usb can be a problem for booting

( GHOST uses a floppy for ememgency operations)

i tried it with a USB floppy and after about 3 hours i kinda had it working for a boot

it will do you good to see the business end of the computer, and note the processor with a fan on top ;-)

that way when you do a "spring cleaning" you won't have to learn all from scratch ;-D

and the popout was it the small one or the big one the size of a CD player?

Looked more closely at those screws holding the left panel (of course, I thought the panel w/o the screws should come off...)
OK, these screws are small round ones w/ any itty, bitty round hole in the middle.  A special tool is necessary for removing those?

I just checked your profile and since I am not real close to the 3rd planet from the sun, that 6 pack of pepsi sitting in my frig won't help.

But this looks do-able.

And GR@PH;<'S, checked out that USB floppy link.  Not that it's the only reason to get a IDE floppy (if that's what you call it) but mitch had mentioned this in terms of creating an XP Recovery disc.

Quotenow you MIGHT be able to use a usb floppy but i am not sure if the usb drivers are loaded yet at that part of the boot?

The popout is CD size...the size of my old 3 1/2 inch floppy.

"spring cleaning"   :uhm:

ripley,
No problem I just thought I would let you know that they are out there  (https://www.landzdown.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fsmilies.sofrayt.com%2Ffsc%2Fwink2.gif&hash=026d7c7f666300aa5560f32f726a9d4a87a10844)

GR@PH;<'S   :breakkie:

Quote from: GR@PH;<'S on February 05, 2006, 10:53:36 PM
I just thought I would let you know that they are out there  (https://www.landzdown.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fsmilies.sofrayt.com%2Ffsc%2Fwink2.gif&hash=026d7c7f666300aa5560f32f726a9d4a87a10844)
GR@PH;<'S   :breakkie:

I like it when you do that!   :flowers:

ripley

well it sounds like it could be done on the box!

a repair shop would be able to let you know within 10 sec of taking the side off !
and should be a quick easy install for them !

and i figure if i just spent about 2 hours figuring how to format a floppy on linux , everyone should still have a floppy !!!

who knew you have to unmount a floppy to format it??? strange
D

OOoookay!

Quote"And then you read some threads in these forums...and you are reminded all that you don't know!"

LOL! 
Geez!  Most of you guys type faster than I can even think  :tease:

Yeah, I won't be opening my "box" unless/until I have to -- little bit afraid of this :tech: happening!  :mrgreen:

One useful thing I have observed about my own learning process, is not to spend a lot of time on problems that haven't happened yet.  Maybe in my younger days, I could have stopped what I was doing, to follow along with ripley and mitch, and learn how to open my "box" for spring cleaning, or whatever.  And then I would go back to what I was working on before.  For probably several reasons, I just can't find the brain power to do that now.  Ah well, grieve the loss, boo-hoo, and move on...life's too short, it really is  :breakkie: (and there's not near enough coffee, I might add  :breakkie: )

Anyway, sorry to be rambling a bit.
Thanks, mitch, for spelling out those details.  Have you ever thought of writing up a webpage or an article, on this subject?  I know I've learned SO much from your current webpages, and this topic would certainly compliment them ;)

So, if I had installed programs only to my admin account (before I added the limited user, before I really understood the option), should I uninstall, and reinstall to both, or all accounts?  Windows Explorer shows all my security programs under All Users, and none in the admin and limited user....which I really don't understand.  Does that mean they actually are installed in both accounts???  :?  :?

Also, I was looking closely at Ad-Aware, to try and understand this issue better, and it looks to me like both admin and limited user can be scanned from the admin acct....as well as "All Users," "Default User," and a couple other strange things.
[Settings > Scan Settings > Choose which drives and folders to scan]
There's also a setting under [Settings > Tweak Settings > Scan registry for all users] which ripley mentioned in the opening message of this thread.

Well, I guess we've just about beat this thread to death by now, but I just want to be sure I understand.  Thanks again for your patience with me.

QuoteAnd then you read some threads in these forums...and you are reminded all that you don't know!

For sure! 

hi Brynn

i'm kinda in a bind now. my webpage is on my personel account with my ips and only 5 meg, so approaching the limits!
and to rent web space is kinda out of the question as i am still a dialupper ;-D

as far as the case and cleaning goes... do you have a digital camera?

and i just kinda put the info out there, if you want more detail, just start a topic on that and i am sure it will be answered
right now i am kinda busy on several small projects ( and believe it or not ..not web related)
and kinda need more than 24 hours in a day to do much more ;-(

RIPLEY.......if all you want is the password backup i THINK that a usb would do it ??????
but as i said i played hell making the usb floppy drive bootable !!!!! and the password disk is non bootable !!!!!!

Hi mitch,
Oops, I didn't mean to leave you hanging here.  Somehow I missed your last reply, so sorry for the delay  :flowers:

Anyway, it was just an idea re putting up instructions for using the limited user account for security.  Just a thought, so no apologies necessary!  But why does using a dialup connection make getting more web space "out of the question"?  Because I use dialup, and have been toying with the idea of setting up a website.

Oh, nope, don't have a digital camera :(   But, to be honest, I'm just not up for delving inside the "brains" of this "beast", at present.  Like you, I'm fairly "booked up" with other responsibilities, as well.  So I don't mean to be rude or disrespectful....but I just don't feel right about :sos: (asking for help) before I've made a good effort to learn something on my own.  ...you know...?  Like ripley, I may actually be looking at adding some secondary (my word) or "backup" drives, in the foreseeable future.  So it may soon be time for me to tackle the task of opening my box ;)

Anyway, just want to post a closing THANKS for yours and ripley's help in this thread.

All best.

on my dialup i get 5 meg of webspace and i have most already used


so to put up anything big i have to download what i have/ put up a program, have the other person download it and tell me, then reinstall my website


and on a dialup throwing around 5 meg of data in several files is no fun ! and the only way i can get more webspace is $$$$

might think of finding time for the box

my idea


unless you live in a clean room with constant temp and humidity you should know how to check for dust bunnies in your computer at least once a year, can save you very big $ and your cpu will say thankyou by running at full speed and not thermal speed !

ok if no digital camera, use a regular camera and use a scanner ;-)

and you need to know a few things before getting a extra drive .... i know of one OEM box that we were going to put a cd burner in as it had just a cd rom and we opened it to see how it would go and found out there is no way to add anything to the system, too small a powersupply, no extra bay for it ! so i would have felt dumb sending him to the store with the sale and then saying, sorry hope you can get your $ back ;-)

Ok, noted, mitch!
I will definitely keep those things in mind.  I will make time to learn how to open box and take out bunnies.  And I'll look around inside before purchasing new drive(s).  Just can't do it right now ;)
Thanks for the tips, and all the other info  :D
You're the best  :thumbsup: !