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Title: Greece...
Post by: DR M on June 30, 2015, 06:45:20 PM
I know that we are all come from different places, all over the world, but I am sure you have heard about the Greek crisis.

What do you think? Just your opinion about all these happening in this site of the world...

If you think that the topic is political, please close it.
Title: Re: Greece...
Post by: Frands on June 30, 2015, 07:13:37 PM
I really don't like the situation in Greece. It is a disaster and worse is it that Merkel in Germany already has reacted negative helping Greece economic... geezz
Title: Re: Greece...
Post by: JDBush61 on July 02, 2015, 12:48:30 AM
Quote from: Frands on June 30, 2015, 07:13:37 PM
I really don't like the situation in Greece. It is a disaster and worse is it that Merkel in Germany already has reacted negative helping Greece economic... geezz

My Greek ex-wife and I co-own a house in Ano Glyfada (just east of Athens). I'm also not happy about the current state of affairs.
Had to pay back loans when all you primarily produce is Kalamata olives, olive oil, and feta cheese.  :wink:
Title: Re: Greece...
Post by: JDBush61 on July 02, 2015, 12:57:50 AM
"...hard to pay back..", not "had"

I must someday learn to type.
Title: Re: Greece...
Post by: Basil on July 02, 2015, 09:16:15 AM
I can write a lot on the subject but I will avoid it! I will just say that, for their sake,  I hope they stay in the Eurozone, although I can see that this is getting more difficult by the day! :shocked:

However!
Living in the UK, I feel I am in a life boat, watching the Titanic going down... :wub:
Title: Re: Greece...
Post by: MikeW on July 02, 2015, 11:34:05 AM
I think it is a very tough decision for the Greek government and the people.  I have never been a supporter of the eurozone and am very glad the UK stayed out of it.
Title: Re: Greece...
Post by: DR M on July 02, 2015, 02:12:40 PM
The most important for me is that the Greek people are not working together anymore, to find a solution. Politicians with their word divide the world even more. History shows that the battles are won when people are working all together, with unity. The discord is the beginning of the end. It's true... I'm afraid of the future coming.
Title: Re: Greece...
Post by: plodr on July 02, 2015, 05:12:45 PM
I have to ask if this is true. I live in the US and my husband is a news junkie so he is up on all the news. One of the commentators on one of the shows has a Greek background (she was born in the US but her parents might have been born in Greece). Anyway she said that people can start collecting pensions at age 42 in Greece. Is that accurate?

Title: Re: Greece...
Post by: DR M on July 02, 2015, 05:36:22 PM
I just copied and pasted the paragraph from the proper Greek site (Google translation):

The general age limit is 67 years and the minimum insurance period of 15 years (4500 days worked). As a general full retirement condition determines the completion of 40 insurance years (12,000 days of work) and the 62nd year of age.

Full syntax: full retirement eligible if you have completed 40 years of insurance and you're 62 years old.

Reduced pension: entitled to a reduced pension if they have completed at least 4500 days of insurance and you're 67 years old.


There is tendency from the media to give the title of lazy to Greek people, but this is wrong. Surely, there are too many errors in the system and sometimes the mentality is the reason, but a lot of what is said is simply exaggerations or malignancies.

Title: Re: Greece...
Post by: winchester73 on July 02, 2015, 07:49:38 PM
When my wife was in Greece a few years back, the tour guide told her that government employees received 13 months of pay/year versus the standard 12/year in the private sector.  The guide suggested that everyone wanted to get a government job ...
Title: Re: Greece...
Post by: DR M on July 02, 2015, 08:27:50 PM
Quote from: winchester73 on July 02, 2015, 07:49:38 PM
When my wife was in Greece a few years back, the tour guide told her that government employees received 13 months of pay/year versus the standard 12/year in the private sector.  The guide suggested that everyone wanted to get a government job ...

This is true. It happens in Cyprus (where I live) too. Now, with "Troika's rules" the government employees are the first who saw their salaries getting almost to the half. And this is the problem. Every one made his plans according to a certain salary (loans, purchases, studies etc.). Now, there is no way to pay for all these. And we have people losing their home, their jobs, their hope, stop their studies and trying to find a job that does not exist. All these people are now paying mistakes of the banks and politicians.
Title: Re: Greece...
Post by: plodr on July 02, 2015, 10:14:54 PM
Thanks Dr M. I copied your reply and will show it to my husband.
Title: Re: Greece...
Post by: DR M on July 03, 2015, 06:48:44 PM
The polls for the referendum show 50 %YES, 50% NO. Full disunity of the people. My opinion is that the referendum was a big mistake of the Greek government.
Title: Re: Greece...
Post by: winchester73 on July 05, 2015, 11:51:54 PM
Results are in. This isn't going to turn out well ...
Title: Re: Greece...
Post by: plodr on July 06, 2015, 02:56:14 AM
When I see all the countries having financial struggles, I say, "too bad we can't reboot and get a fresh start".
Title: Re: Greece...
Post by: DR M on July 06, 2015, 07:46:10 AM
Just don't know what to say or expect... We will see what is going to happen.
Title: Re: Greece...
Post by: Deborah on July 06, 2015, 09:33:12 PM
Hopefully Germany will take a second look at it's own default. It never paid Greece a dime in reparations for the damage done during WWII.  Extending a bit of courtesy feels appropriate.
Title: Re: Greece...
Post by: DR M on July 08, 2015, 05:05:56 PM
Well, this is another heart warming story, but I will post it here, so anyone can do whatever he thinks.

Thom Feeney is the English young man started a campaign in the Indiegogo platform, to help Greece reach the target for the IMF, 1,6 billions euros. The Greek Bailout Fund campaign may have not reached the target, but it was defininitely a heart-warmingly huge success. Over 100,000 ordinary people from 182 countries raised almost €2 million for the people of Greece.

So, what Thom did again? Let's see what he says:

''As the previous campaign has now finished and we have not reached the target, all contributions were be refunded. But please don't leave me just yet! I have launched this campaign, with flexible funding, so that any and all money raised can be invested to help the people of Greece. I realise now I should have done this on the first one - I can only apologise.''

Now the target is 1 million euros, and all the money will go to the Greek people.

You can read more, here:  https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/greek-crowdfund#/story


Title: Re: Greece...
Post by: DR M on July 12, 2015, 06:11:09 PM
Another difficult night for Greece.

Europe punishes Tsipras. But they cannot understand that they punish the Greek people.

This is not the Europe they made us dream about, few years ago at schools.


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Title: Re: Greece...
Post by: Deborah on July 28, 2015, 12:23:22 AM
The Greeks have been screwed without even a kiss.
Title: Re: Greece...
Post by: DR M on July 28, 2015, 04:02:44 PM
Quote from: Deborah on July 28, 2015, 12:23:22 AM
The Greeks have been screwed without even a kiss.

We will survive. As always.
However, it appears that the thousands of suicides in the last five years are due to the economic crisis.
The most important thing for the people is not to despair, and find the courage to rise up from the ruins.