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Jokes / Funny, But SOOOO TRUE!
« on: Today at 12:07:03 AM »

Linux Help, News and Information / SysVInit vs SystemD
« on: November 29, 2021, 11:59:16 PM »
OK, folks. Let's warm this place up a bit...

I'm sure most of you who've spent any time with GNU/Linux this past few years are aware of the raging debate over the use of SystemD in a large majority of the distributions out there these days. I'm going to post my take on this here. Feel free to jump into the fire pit, if you dare. Be nice, though! :)


There is this old init system in GNU/Linux called SysVinit. It's a very simple method of using plain text files along with permissions to instruct an operating system to start/stop certain applications and background functions, and who can and cannot manipulate these things.

It is easily understood and easily manipulated. You just edit the text files and/or edit their permissions to achieve your goals with regards to how you want your system to run. Pretty clear and easy so far, huh?

OK, there's this newer kid on the block created by a very smart fellow named Lennart Poettering. I'm not going to get to technical here because I don't have the brain that Mr. Poettering has and couldn't really explain it to you that well.

That being said, though, SystemD has become THE init system in nearly 99% of all GNU/Linux distributions. Some love it; others HATE it. Here's what I think about it...

I was playing around with SystemD in Arch Linux long before most anyone had ever heard of it. I thought it was neat, efficient, and easily manipulated to achieve those same system goals that I mention above. I do NOT believe that SystemD is a cancerous, insidious infection in your GNU/Linux distribution put there by aliens who intend to invade the Earth and herd all humanity into pens and fields where they'll be fattened up to feed our new masters.

My one and only dislike of SystemD is that it's MUCH more complicated than it needs to be. It violates the old UNIX rule of KISS (keep it simple, stupid). Why use a system that is extremely complicated to achieve something that can be done just as efficiently and much more understandably with a simpler method?

I've learned from LIFE experience -- yes, it's one of the good things about aging -- that simpler is most definitely better. I can use my old 1982 Chevrolet pick up truck as an example. When I go out there and turn the key in that truck's ignition, if it doesn't start, there's NOTHING that can be causing it that I cannot troubleshoot and repair myself. I don't need a Masters Degree in any field to do this. Compare this to your average newer vehicle. They've become SO complicated to fix and repair that auto mechanics now actually need to be electronic engineers to work on these cars/trucks. Yet, my ol' truck still gets me from A to B just like those spiffy, overpriced Frankenvehicles.

See my point? Simple is gooder. I've said my piece. I'll leave you with this:


If you folks here at Landzdown would like to liven up your posts a bit, I've just now found that the icons from this site --> work perfectly well here! Just Copy/Paste. 👍

Have fun! 😜

Linux Help, News and Information / Re: Show Us Your GNU/Linux Desktop
« on: November 29, 2021, 11:14:36 PM »
HAHA! Gooder! This place really needs some "thumbs up" or "Like" avatars. 👍 Oooh, I think that works!

You can find icons like the 👍 above by going here -->

Linux Help, News and Information / Re: Lest We Forget...
« on: November 29, 2021, 11:04:25 PM »
Ah... SueD. I miss her. She's a member at my Cabin In the Woods, but hasn't logged in there since 2016. Have you kept in touch with her, Ray? Can you contact her and let her know we're here?

Linux Help, News and Information / Re: Trouble at Scot's?
« on: November 29, 2021, 11:01:52 PM »
YAY! Good to see you here, Clutter! :)

Linux Help, News and Information / Re: Show Us Your GNU/Linux Desktop
« on: November 29, 2021, 11:00:19 PM »
What? No train? ;)

Testing / Re: checking avatar
« on: November 29, 2021, 10:48:30 PM »

HA! I am very happy to see that avatar! :)

Meet & Greet! / Re: Welcome Cluttermagnet!
« on: November 29, 2021, 10:47:51 PM »

Linux Help, News and Information / Re: There Once Was a Man Called Bruno*
« on: November 29, 2021, 10:47:07 PM »
And the story from HERE continues...

I could see within moments of reading just a few posts at Scot's that it was a VERY different place compared to my experiences with the Debian Support Forums. Within a week of signing up at Scot's and meeting Bruno, I learned so much that I had to actually start a Linux Notebook, which I still use to this day. Of course, the original bound notebook has become a good-sized over-stuffed loose leaf binder these days. ;)

This man I describe in the original post above was unbelievably patient with this knucklehead "newbie". See SecurityBreach's comment about the word "newbie" HERE. He spent hours and hours each day breaking things down and explaining them to me.

I wasn't special at all. This was how Bruno treated EVERYONE!

Ultimately, he got me where I wanted to be. Within a few weeks, I was multi-booting 18 distributions on my system. Everything from Ubuntu to Mandriva to Slackware... and all in between. Once I was comfortable with GNU/Linux, Bruno said to me one day...

"You'd make a great Slacker, Eric."

I wish I had the time/patience to hunt through all the archived posts at Scot's to find the post where Bruno said this to me, but life it too short. Fortunately, I have my memories.

Oh, and Bruno was, of course, correct. Everything about Slackware just appealed to me... much more than any of the other distros I had played with; the closest competitors to Slackware for me were Debian and Arch Linux. I went with Slackware because its attitude matched my own. ;)

Anyway, folks... this is the most typing I've done in... well, a day or so. HA!

Please, those of you who knew and remember Bruno, post your thoughts and stories.

Have fun!


Linux Help, News and Information / Re: Lest We Forget...
« on: November 29, 2021, 10:31:26 PM »
My story...

I actually used to read Scot's Newsletter on his original site waaay back when. I believe I had subscribed to it, also. I used to be an email newsletter junkie at one time. ;) However, I don't know why, but I guess I didn't realize there was an associated forum back then.

In mid-2005, I was playing around with GNU/Linux for the very first time at the behest and coaching from my Real LifeĀ® best pal Gary's son, and a couple fellows (Urmas and SweetLou) from my Cabin In the Woods forum. Gary's son Jason had given me a nine-disk set of floppies to install Slackware on one of my computers. I was hesitant, to say the least. Urmas was pushing for Ubuntu, and SweetLou was harping for Debian. I was confused.

Then, something happened... MS Windows sent out three major "service packs" for Windows XP. Downloading and installing them completely trashed my Windows operating system. Ooops! I was somewhat peeved, to put it mildly. Josh (SecurityBreach) probably remembers the story of me dancing the Irish Jig on my computer in my kitchen floor. HA! Anyway, at that point, I made my decision. Simultaneously, I reinstalled my Win XP on the slightly dented and refurbished system along with a dual-boot arrangement of Ubuntu 6.06 Dapper Drake (this is June of 2006 by now).

Yes, it was relatively easy to install and figure out the basics, but back in those days, I was a serious customizer/tweaker of my setups. My Windows XP was awesome, which is why I was so angry when it crashed and burned. By the way, that wasn't an MS Windows fault, actually. It was a brand new defective Seagate hard drive... the one and only Seagate I've ever used in a system.

So, I was having some troubles tweaking and customizing my new Ubuntu setup. I made the mistake, knowing that Ubuntu was Debian-based, of going to the Debian Support Forums for some advice. I only did that once. That place was a burning inferno of serious asshats whose favorite response to new Linux users was RTFM. Enter Mr. Urmas...

Urmas tells me one afternoon at my Cabin forum that he knows a fellow whom he thinks I would really like to get to know better. He's over at a place called Scot's Newsletter Forums. His name is Bruno. So, Urmas dragged me kicking and screaming over the Scot's to meet this fellow. This was my very first time logging in at Scots.

This story continues on the thread here titled, "There Once Was a Man Called Bruno..."

Linux Help, News and Information / Re: Lest We Forget...
« on: November 29, 2021, 10:02:02 PM »
I've unlocked this thread so folks from Scot's Newsletter Forums who come here can tell us their stories about how the found Scot's and other fun they've had there over the years.

Linux Help, News and Information / Show Us Your GNU/Linux Desktop
« on: November 29, 2021, 09:57:21 PM »
This is a thread that we've had a lot of fun with over the years at Scot's Newsletter Forums. It's the place where you can post screenshots of your desktop setup. It's like looking at someone's actual desk/work area. It tells you something about people by the way the set things up. ;)

This screenshot here is the very first one I posted at Scot's in 2007...

And this one is the one I have on my system at the moment. You'll notice that there hasn't been much change in my setup for the last 14 years or so. ;)

Have fun with it, folks!

Linux Help, News and Information / Re: Major Geeks Linux Perspective
« on: November 29, 2021, 09:47:13 PM »
Yes, Linux Mint...

However, there are still some good ones out there, folks... Mandriva, OpenSuSE, PCLinuxOS, etc. Shop around. I tried the majority of the mainline distributions back in my beginner days. The main differences between distributions is usually just the package management, the init methods (SysVInit, SystemD, etc.), the available software in the repositories, and of course the desktop management.

The good thing about desktop management in Linux, though, is that Xfce4 in Slackware looks JUST LIKE Xfce4 in Debian, Ubuntu, Mint, Mandrive, etc. Same for KDE and most other desktop managers.

Meet & Greet! / Re: Welcome, raymac46!
« on: November 29, 2021, 06:38:48 PM »
Don't be silly, Ray. I found your posts at Scot's to be useful about 100% of the time. I'm sure many folks here at Landzdown will learn pretty quickly about you. :)

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