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He could have saved us both time by posting the DRM issue at the start of the thread. (I'm sure he was aware of the issue; why did he not mention it until he had me jump through hoops?)
In his defense - well, not "defense" but as a possible explanation for him not mentioning it right away; he might not have realized this was a DRM issue. I say that only because there was never any mention that your video was a "movie" and thus perhaps copyrighted and protected by DRM. 

In fact the word "movie" doesn't show up in that thread until the very last post. That is NOT however, an excuse or defense of the behavior demonstrated or the "tone" of the replies you received from the staff there. I am just saying DRM might not have occurred to him until someone else mentioned it later in the thread.

FTR, PaleMoon was my preferred and default browser for many years - I think I started using it around 2010. I probably saw Corrine mention it somewhere! IE had been my default, but it seemed more and more sites were moving towards W3C standards and away from IE/MS standards. Plus it seemed MS was already beginning to abandon IE. It stopped working right.

I really liked PM, but I was never truly happy with it. Little issues kept bugging me. When W10 came out with the original Edge, I gave it a try. But that clearly was an unfinished, underdeveloped, flawed product right out of the gate. I maybe gave it 30 minutes before moving back to PM.

Fast forward to 2019 and I was becoming more and more disappointed with PM due to various site rendering problems. For example, I could never view my water/sewer/trash bill with PM because the webpage would never, and still will not load in PM. But it loads fine with every other browser.

This is a public utilities company for the largest metro area in Nebraska. I contacted them and they said they only support the major, "standards compliant" browsers like FF, IE, Chrome, and Safari. Not sure IE would be considered "standards compliant" but that's not really the point. The point is, every month to view my bill so I could pay it, I had to remember to call up a different browser. Chrome worked fine so I used that.

I was having problems with other sites too, including forums I visit daily. So when the "new", Chromium-based Edge came out, I gave it a try and soon discovered I had no problems viewing any site I went to, I switched to Edge as my default. At first, I figured it would be just for a short test/evaluation period. But it didn't take long to realize Edge was working better (at least for me) than PM did. So Edge is now my default. I don't miss PM.

I know there are many who refuse to give Edge a fair shot because it has the Microsoft brand on it. But that is a biased viewpoint. Folks need to set aside their prejudices and give it a fair shot. Microsoft is NOT the same company it used to be. Edge is NOT IE. Today's Edge is not even the same Edge that originally came with W10!

I am not suggesting everyone switch to Edge. I am just saying if not totally happy with your current browser, forget the brand behind it and give the "new" Edge a fair shot.

Eventually, it will be pushed out to all W10 users so if using W10, you may already have it. The latest version is Version  80.0.361.69. If you don't have it yet (or you are still using W7/W8.x) you can download it from here.

Is Youtube very slow where you are? It has been very slow here the last past 3 weeks.
There are reports of too much bandwidth usage in the NY metropolitan area including northeastern NJ, since the "stay home" orders.

If it's affecting the other streaming services, I imaging it's affecting YouTube.
Good point though I suspect it is happening all over and not just NYC. It could be bandwidth or just servers getting hit with an abnormal number of requests - or more likely, a combination of both.

I just tried a couple again and having no problems here.

I would not know. I don't watch it regularly. And not sure what you mean by "slow" anyway. If the video or movie plays at normal speed and not "slow motion" (which would be impossible with digital video) then it is normal. I connect fine, the video cues up fine, and I get no "buffering" is about all I can say.

what do you think?

I think, unless a true security expert and a true Windows 10 expert and incapable of making a mistake, it is a bad idea to disable Windows Update. Period.

I also note the publisher's own description of the program states it is for the purpose of preventing "the computer from automatically restarting itself while you're busy working on important projects". It was not created for users who just don't like Windows Update automatically installing updates, or because a Windows Update might break Windows.

And for the record, I have never, not once, ever had Windows Update reboot my computer while I was using it without warning AND without providing me the opportunity to postpone the reboot.

IMO, disabling Windows Update is like driving without a seatbelt using the excuse, "I might get trapped in a fire".

I understand Flash is not the problem. I was just commenting on that because it was mentioned earlier.

As seen in the thread here, it turns out it is due to DRM. But the staff did not verify or conclude that until well after plodr expressed her concerns. And even then (as you noted while I was typing this reply) when the mod came in to state it was due to DRM, he did so with a totally unnecessary, if not totally rude attitude. :(

If some in the US are getting the same error as me, it is as I suspect, Palemoon can't handle every video format and it has nothing to do with a) no flash on any of my computers b) the addons I've installed c) the plugin I have.
I don't see what the user's location in the world has to do with this.

I also am not sure it is fair to single-out Palemoon as being unable to play "every" video format. That is, do we know for a fact that Chrome, FF, Edge, or [fill in the blank] can play "every" video format out there? But clearly, PM cannot play those formats when (at least IMO) it should - or at least give a more descriptive error message.

I also know for certain that I am NOT going to enable Flash just to view that content. I mean if Microsoft has Edge set to "Always block Flash (recommended)" set by default, that should be clear enough warning to keep Flash content blocked.

I just checked out your thread at the PM forums and was disappointed in the "tone" and some of the comments in the replies you got from the staff there. Pretty sad.

As far as refusing to play DRM content, there may be something to that - but as I noted, for me it seems to be choking on the ads that play (or try to play) before the movie. In any case, it seems to me if the admin and/or moderator staff had tried your link before posting to see if they had the same issue, then determined the cause, they could have provided a logical explanation without their tone of intolerance for anyone with less experience.
 and understanding of the inner workings of PM than them. :(

I get the same error as you, Liz. It works fine in Edge. And in FF, it works, but it plays a couple ads first. So it seems in PM, it is choking on those ads.

As to installing the security updates, you've spent enough years on the forums to know what happens when people don't keep their device updated.  It is one thing to delay the version upgrade but when there are critical security updates, I personally don't choose to wait.
I don't either. In fact, it is common for me on this, my primary computer, to check for and install any updates on Tuesdays, the day they traditionally are released.

I started doing this right away after migrating to Windows 10 primarily because I wanted to practice what I preached to my family and my clients. That is, "keep your operating systems current. That is a primary defense against the bad guys". I also wanted to install the updates first just in case there were problems - so I would be familiar with them (and how to fix them) should my clients call.

But as it was, problems didn't happen. Updates installed just fine. I didn't get any calls. Yes, over the years, there have been a couple (less than a handful) of hiccups. But worse case was fixed by a simple reboot.

Now I have encountered other computers that had problems after updates but what I discovered was those computers had many default settings that were changed by the user. They used 3rd party security programs, driver update utilities, and/or they dinked with virtual memory (page file) settings, and more. In many cases, those computers were older hardware - upgraded from W7. Hardware that often lacked solid W10 driver support from the HW maker.

Now I cannot and will not say those programs caused the problems, or that you will never have problems if you leave the defaults as Microsoft sets them. But it sure "seems", at least from here, that less problems occur if you just leave Windows alone. Contrary to what many want us to believe, the developers at Microsoft really are some pretty sharp people who know what they are doing. Not sure I can say that about the marketing folks, or some of the executive decisions made in Redmond, but the developers have done and are doing a good job.

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You don't think most Windows computers are uniquely configured? I assure you, except for corporate computers on some corporate networks, they are.

Two 100% identical Dell computers, for example, that come off the assembly line one after the other, and end up in different homes will become unique within minutes after they are booted up for the very first time. This happens as users configure their network connections and Internet access, set up user profiles, their own security software, installed programs, attached printers and external drives and more. And they become even more unique as time moves on.

I really wish I had the control to stop updates...could really care less about with what is going on today!!
People don't care about keeping current backups either - until they wish they did.

100s of millions of users have no problems with updates. Of course it would be nice if no one ever had problems. But with over 900 million W10 systems out there, and virtually every single one a unique computer, with millions of different hardware combinations in millions of different configurations times millions of different software installation times millions of different software configurations, not to mention millions of different user personalizations and network setups, I think it amazing Microsoft has done so well to keep Windows Updates issues at such tiny numbers.

Having said that, the anti-telemetry program
For the tin-foil hat wearers, 3rd party anti-telemetry programs might have been useful (well, comforting) for them 5 years ago when W10 first came out. But not today. Even though W10 and Microsoft never were the privacy threat many believed (or wanted us to believe) they were, as I noted above, Microsoft heard the message and not only do users have much more control over the information being collected (which is NOT personal or personally identifiable information) but they have provided the "Diagnostic Data Viewer" so we can see what data is being collected.

Again, we have MUCH MORE to worry about with Google, Facebook, our ISPs, and especially our cell phone carriers than we do with Microsoft. Frankly, I am WAY more worried about another Equifax or Yahoo type breach where my true name, Social Security, insurance, credit card, birth date, even passwords are actually being stolen (due to negligence and incompetence >:() than I am worried about Microsoft collecting data on how my Windows and Office programs are running.

I think it is important to note and remember that there are many MANY Microsoft haters, tin-foil hat wearers, naysayers, IT journalists, privacy advocates, security experts and watchdog groups constantly scrutinizing (and reporting - over and over again to a viral extent) everything that Microsoft does. If they really were stealing our sensitive information, it would be reported all over the place ad nauseum. And that is just not happening.

I should have said the old Edge should "not" have given your those problems. Either Corrine intentionally corrected for me, or her mind auto-corrected without her knowledge! ;)

"comes without extensions support" is obviously incorrect as I have extensions added to my Edge.
Gee whiz. I read right over that.

Yeah, that is totally inaccurate. It has extensive extension support. In fact, not only via the Microsoft Store, but Microsoft has even made a point of the fact that Edge now support Chromium extensions.

So yeah, do you have the current version of the "new" Edge (Chromium)? It should be Version 80.0.361.66.

This replaces the old version but because of its size, MS was rolling it out over time.

That said, even the old version should have given you these problems. Frankly, I suspect your problem is with Windows itself and not actually with Edge. That's why I don't think removing Edge is the solution.

I see no reason to uninstall and remove Edge. As for disabling Catalyst, I no longer have an AMD card, but I always found Catalyst to be too intrusive and I just didn't let it run with Windows. I didn't uninstall it though.

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