Windows 10 Users --Like It or Not, You're Updated

[Pete!]

Like I said, if you want t be treated like babies who don't know to do, or should do, then I  suppose automatic updates would be the order of the day.

That is more insulting than being simplistic or a sensationalist. Excuse the world for not being as smart as you! You are now implying everyone should be as knowledgeable as you, and desire to be as hands-on as you. That is ridiculous. The fact of the matter is, the OS should be as hands-off as possible and just make your hardware work together and run the software you want to run. Other than that, the OS should stay out of the way! And Windows does that very well. 

If you want to be that hands on, run Linux! But don't insult everyone else because they don't care to be that hands-on.

To me the insult was pointed the other way.
Just because some people are "challenged" doesn't mean you should treat everyone like an idiot.

Some people are going to get malware, regardless of how many updates they get.
If I may quote "Freedom is NOT Free!".   :D

[techie]

I would guess that there are many more users than superusers or advanced users. A average user just wants it to work. These users don't know how or take the time to turn off automatic updates, so there getting them automatic anyway. The scheduled updates are for 3 AM, there computers aren't left on to download and install the updates, or automatically restart to install them. So much for automatic updates normal schedules.

I have never turned off automatic updates, I do check for updates manually at times. With Windows 8.1 computers I have seen updates fail, but have never seen an update stop a single 8.1 system from functioning. You may have to wait for a reboot, but it will revert and boot back to the OS. The scenario stays the same each time the computer is restarted or turned off, the same updates are trying to install, the updates will stay in the cycle  until someone resolves the problem. Is windows going to resolve it, usually not. I have seen WIN 7 go into a vicious update and reboot cycle. It usually requires a safemode boot and a system restore. In all of the systems I have ran into that have done this, none had malware. I have seen driver updates cause device failures or malfunctions.

It is a concern, but I think when it comes to drivers update Microsoft needs to keep them as a optional update, unless there is a security issue. Is automatic updates a game changer? I don't think so. Is the failed updates going to be harder to resolve? Probably. Are there going to be some problems? You know there will be some bumps in the road.

The problem I see is everyone being critical before there is actually a problem.

I had people argue with me when I said WIN 8 would be a flop and many users would not adopt it. Win 10 is the correction.

Vista worked but was a resource hog. It is still a functional software. Win 7 corrected the issues.

Win Me was horrible, such a resource hog, it sucked the life out of the hardware. Win XP was the correction.

I believe most major manufactures run automatic updates for software these days.

The bottom line is nobody is going to make you upgrade, that is a individual choice. If you don't want it, don't get it, but 13 months from now, when everyone that is using it brags about WIN 10 don't forget you had your chance. I consider it the the new WIN 7 supercharged (personal opinion).

[Digerati]

A average user just wants it to work.

Exactly. They see their computers as just another piece of electronics in the house - like the TV or microwave oven, or cell phone.

With Windows 8.1 computers I have seen updates fail, but have never seen an update stop a single 8.1 system from functioning.

Same here. Worst case scenarios was rolling back to a previous Restore Point. I cannot say the same for W7, but even then it did not make a brick out of the computer.

I had people argue with me when I said WIN 8 would be a flop

Well, the problem with W8 was the UI, not the OS itself. And 8.1 helped correct that for many and for others, including me, Start8 made it all better.

[Digerati]

Some people are going to get malware, regardless of how many updates they get.

No doubt - because keeping our systems updated is only one part of computer security - but it is a major part. But still if they keep it updated, keep their security updated, don't participate in illegal filesharing via P2P and Torrents, don't visit illegal pornography and gambling sites, and don't be "click-happy" on unsolicited links, downloads, and attachments, there is a darn good chance they will never get infected. That policy sure has worked for me since I got infected by booting to an infected floppy back in W95 days via the "sneakernet". And in my line of work, my systems are probably more exposed than most "normal" users.

[techie]

I did mean the UI, the OS works very well, I use WIN 8.1 daily. Win 1O is still mainly based on 8.1 operating capabilities with improved speeds and UI.

I don't use it generic out of the box, no third party apps, just boot to desktop direct, probably use right click function on start button, almost always. Win 10 start button has the same right click function.

Darksurfer, did you ever try any of the Win 10 previews? It's fairly simple to setup a dual boot system Win 10, with Win 7 or Win 8.

[darksurfer]

Let me say that, before anyone else gets bent out of shape, is I expressed my opinion of the auto updates on Win10. I had no intention in insulting people's feelings.

As for the using Linux statements, forget that. Notice I didn't say Apple. Okay, then.

Use whatever you want. I have other things to do. Whether you are a light user, superuser, whatever, do whatever you like. I am just going to stay with Windows 7. I like as much control of my computer as I can get without actually building one.

Let's no start misinterpreting statements which you don't understand. I find it insulting that some take what I say as an insult. No I will not test the Win10 because there are still too many uncertainties around it.  : :2cents:

Don't jump on me because I don't enthusiastically jump on every new thing that comes along from Microsoft or whatever.  If you recall, I started this thread because of reaction I saw from other parts of the WebSphere about the automatic update imposition announcement from Microsoft on Win110.

Who knows, I may wind up having Win10 in the future. So calm down!!

[Pete!]

What I'm hoping for....

When MS developed Win 8, they thought we wanted a user interface that looks like an I-Phone.
They were wrong.. The fact that Win 10 will have a functional start button, indicates that they realize they made a mistake.
Maybe they're listening now.....and aren't "locked into" every feature.

They're getting both positive and negative feedback about forced updates.
After the release, They'll get even more feedback.
If it causes resentments that threaten their bottom, line maybe a compromise.

IMHO (possible alternative): Auto updates is default, with a warning if you start to change it (similar to Firefox when you mess with "about:config").
Maybe even a pop-up "nag" now and then, like the ones I was getting when I delayed getting Win 8.1.
Then, if you get into trouble, you have nobody to blame but yourself, the IT techs make more money, and the help forums get more traffic.

I've had my say. I don't see the point in arguing any more.
(Unless someone says something particularly outrageous, and I yield to temptation).  :evil:

[Corrine]

I like your alternative suggestion, Pete, especially if the warning is stern enough with really strong warning, those who didn't use automatic updates and, as a result, forgot to update, will be sufficiently "scared" into keeping the setting.  Then those of us who pay attention to updates, want to read the KB articles first, like to download the updates and then install a few at am time, dial-up users who need to do updates in batches, as well as other scenarios we could come up with will be happy.

[MikeW]

I like your alternative suggestion, Pete, especially if the warning is stern enough with really strong warning, those who didn't use automatic updates and, as a result, forgot to update, will be sufficiently "scared" into keeping the setting.  Then those of us who pay attention to updates, want to read the KB articles first, like to download the updates and then install a few at am time, dial-up users who need to do updates in batches, as well as other scenarios we could come up with will be happy.

My view exactly Corrine. However, for this and other reasons I will not be moving to win 10 for the foreseeable future. I'm a happy 7 user

[Aaron Hulett]

I'm a happy 10 user.  :tease:

[Corrine]

You're a 10 in my book, Aaron.   :hug:

It isn't a fair comparison between Windows 10 to my Windows 8.1 tablet, except that I do prefer the desktop.  I like being able to pin frequent folders in File Explorer but don't care for the Mail App.  I know a lot of people love Cortana but I gave up on it -- "she" just didn't do what I wanted.

Can I easily switch between Windows 7 and Windows 10 and find my way around?  Absolutely and it has come a long, long way since the first build -- which failed for me but the second worked just fine as has each subsequent build.

[JDBush61]

Darksurfer, did you ever try any of the Win 10 previews? It's fairly simple to setup a dual boot system Win 10, with Win 7 or Win 8.

I'm very content with Win 7, yet am not completely adverse to trying Win 10. Please explain how to "fairly simply" set up a dual boot Win 10 and Win 7. Moreover, after setting up the dual boot, I'd like the option of removing Win 10 if it rubs me the wrong way. Is that possible? Thanks in advance.

(Current rig: Windows 7 64 bit; 174 GB free of 283 GB)

[techie]

Darksurfer, did you ever try any of the Win 10 previews? It's fairly simple to setup a dual boot system Win 10, with Win 7 or Win 8.

I'm very content with Win 7, yet am not completely adverse to trying Win 10. Please explain how to "fairly simply" set up a dual boot Win 10 and Win 7. Moreover, after setting up the dual boot, I'd like the option of removing Win 10 if it rubs me the wrong way. Is that possible? Thanks in advance.

(Current rig: Windows 7 64 bit; 174 GB free of 283 GB)

I could sit and type a step by step guide, but How-to-Geek has it with all the pretty pictures with a detailed setup.

http://www.howtogeek.com/197647/how-to-dual-boot-windows-10-with-windows-7-or-8/

If your going to do it I would allow about 40 GB of space to test with.

If you don't already have an Win 10 preview ISO, that could be a problem as MS isn't releasing anymore ISO files for WIN 10, even to insiders, just upgrades. I'm sure there are copies out on the net, be careful of your source.

http://www.howtogeek.com/80094/how-to-burn-an-iso-image-in-windows-7/

When booting to WIN 10, it will be your C:\ drive. When booting to WIN 7, it will be your C:\ Drive. You don't see the Win 10 partition when viewing, from my pc or computer when booted into WIN 7 or the WIN 7 partition when booted into WIN 10. Each OS is independent from the other.

You can remove it manually later if you decide that you don't want the WIN 10 any longer or use this tutorial and tool.

http://www.intowindows.com/uninstall-windows-from-your-pc/

It's fairly simple, but semi-advanced. As with anything such as this a backup beforehand is recommended.

Off topic, but you ask.

[techie]

P.S.  You may see both partitions in MY PC or Computer. In my case my setup doesn't as I have a second hard drive for data only, which is the default D:\ drive in both systems. It allows me to view pictures, music, etc. in either OS.

[Pete!]

Still off topic...

techie:
I just skimmed the information at the link you posted above...
Can I assume that this option is not available to people who upgrade via the normal "Get Windows 10" (free upgrade) roll out?
Or is it too soon to tell?