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Title: SpeedyFox
Post by: plodr on December 23, 2019, 02:22:03 PM
I switched to Palemoon as my daily brower (in Windows) because FF is soooo slow.
I saw this program, SpeedyFox, https://www.majorgeeks.com/content/page/how_to_speed_up_your_firefoxchrome_or_safari_browser.html
and I've downloaded it but haven't unzipped it.
Here is the developer's site https://www.crystalidea.com/speedyfox
Has anyone tried it?
I'm one that prefers to do my own manual changes and not have a program do some unknown tweaks therefore I'm hesitant to try it.
Title: Re: SpeedyFox
Post by: darksurfer on December 23, 2019, 02:48:46 PM
I switched to Palemoon as my daily brower (in Windows) because FF is soooo slow.
I saw this program, SpeedyFox, https://www.majorgeeks.com/content/page/how_to_speed_up_your_firefoxchrome_or_safari_browser.html
and I've downloaded it but haven't unzipped it.
Here is the developer's site https://www.crystalidea.com/speedyfox
Has anyone tried it?
I'm one that prefers to do my own manual changes and not have a program do some unknown tweaks therefore I'm hesitant to try it.

I use it and it seems to work well. I use Pale Moon and seems alright.
Title: Re: SpeedyFox
Post by: Digerati on December 23, 2019, 02:56:03 PM
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I'm one that prefers to do my own manual changes and not have a program do some unknown tweaks therefore I'm hesitant to try it.
I agree. I feel program developers are probably best at tweaking their own programs. They already want their products to be quick. I feel if such tricks were beneficial over all, they would already be incorporated in the code.

Speedyfox has been around for many years. It seems to me if it worked as good as the promises suggested it did, it would not be something most FF users never heard of. And again, if as good as promised, browser developers would have incorporated those same tricks.

I do not believe it is harmful, and definitely not malicious. And it may provide noticeable improvements right after it is run. I just doubt those performance improvements last. I think a quick clutter clean-out with Windows Disk Cleanup or CCleaner is probably just as good.

Having said all that, I have not tried it. So perhaps it not fair I express my opinion. But I still see no reason to install it.
Title: Re: SpeedyFox
Post by: satrow on December 23, 2019, 03:47:46 PM
Looks like it strips out unnecessary code, lines, etc. from the listed database files; with the largest of those files on my main Pale Moon profile as an example, places.sqlite - the Bookmarks list of almost 1400 entries plus History, it reduced the size by close to 10%. Overall reduction (from the log) was "Optimized 7 files, new size: 17.3 MB (was 20.0 MB)". Did I notice PM loading faster - yes, pretty sure I did, at a guess ~10-15%.

Worth trying out on older/low-powered machines like Atom powered netbooks, where the actual load time would be more significant. I can't, mine was retired and the SSD moved on last month.

For most users, I doubt that it would need running more frequently than annually.
Title: Re: SpeedyFox
Post by: Digerati on December 23, 2019, 04:30:04 PM
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Did I notice PM loading faster - yes, pretty sure I did, at a guess ~10-15%.
Pretty sure? Unless actual timed tests were done, "pretty sure" could just be what the mind was hoping to see. 10 - 15% sounds okay, but that's still less than 3MB. Not GB.

I'd be interested in seeing the results of a timed "before and after" test, then do another timed test a week later and see if still faster, or back to the "before" times.

BTW, from 2012: https://forum.palemoon.org/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=785
Title: Re: SpeedyFox
Post by: Corrine on December 23, 2019, 05:03:39 PM
SpeedyFox has been around for a very long time.  DonnaB first told me about it many years ago.  I actually suggested it in 2014 (Re: Compaq Laptop Freezing Up Again (https://www.landzdown.com/analysis-and-malware-removal/compaq-laptop-freezing-up-again/msg168915/#msg168915)).

I only use Pale Moon regularly on the device that I use posting in forums since the many of the old Athena extensions not available in Microsoft Edge still work (especially Athena and BBCodeXtra). 

On occasions when it seems that Pale Moon is slow, I'll run SpeedyFox and I do feel as though it is faster. 

(OT:  Some years ago, there was a tool that could be run that would check bookmarks and list those that no longer resolve.  I have have no idea where I got it from and with so many old bookmarks, I'd like to do a purge of the now useless ones without having to manually go through each folder.)
Title: Re: SpeedyFox
Post by: Digerati on December 23, 2019, 05:20:17 PM
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(OT:  Some years ago, there was a tool that could be run that would check bookmarks and list those that no longer resolve.
Was it AM-Deadlink (https://www.aignes.com/deadlink.htm)?
Title: Re: SpeedyFox
Post by: satrow on December 23, 2019, 05:43:18 PM
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Did I notice PM loading faster - yes, pretty sure I did, at a guess ~10-15%.
Pretty sure? Unless actual timed tests were done, "pretty sure" could just be what the mind was hoping to see. 10 - 15% sounds okay, but that's still less than 3MB. Not GB.


My 'actual timed tests' would have little bearing or relevance to anyone who isn't using my machine and connection. 'Less than 3MB. Not GB' - You want GB differences, really? From less than 24MB of db files ...


Title: Re: SpeedyFox
Post by: plodr on December 23, 2019, 05:51:48 PM
Thanks for the info and links. I'll read what Moonchild said later.
I did see something he posted that I don't understand
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Menu -> web developer -> error console (or press Strg+Shift+J).
I have no idea what Strg stands for.

Title: Re: SpeedyFox
Post by: satrow on December 23, 2019, 05:59:38 PM
Thanks for the info and links. I'll read what Moonchild said later.
I did see something he posted that I don't understand
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Menu -> web developer -> error console (or press Strg+Shift+J).
I have no idea what Strg stands for.

DE keyboard, CTRL iirc (it's been a long time since I used one).
Title: Re: SpeedyFox
Post by: Digerati on December 23, 2019, 06:03:41 PM
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'Less than 3MB. Not GB' - You want GB differences, really?
No. I was just suggesting loading 3MB more data shouldn't take very much extra time.
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My 'actual timed tests' would have little bearing or relevance to anyone who isn't using my machine and connection.
I don't see why not. If using the same browser and the same Speedyfox program, if you see a significant improvement on your machine, it seems logical to assume others running the same browser and Speedyfox would also see a significant improvement. Not second for second, of course. And assuming the network connection is not causing a bottleneck, not sure that would matter either.

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I have no idea what Strg stands for.
I had to look that up. Apparently its stands for "Steuerung" which means "Control" in German. So Strg is what we know as the Ctrl key. Makes sense now. (Opps, satrow beat me to it).
Title: Re: SpeedyFox
Post by: Corrine on December 23, 2019, 06:45:09 PM
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(OT:  Some years ago, there was a tool that could be run that would check bookmarks and list those that no longer resolve.
Was it AM-Deadlink (https://www.aignes.com/deadlink.htm)?
That might be it.  It has been quite a while since I used it.  No question that I would back up my bookmarks before giving it a try though.

Have you used it?
Title: Re: SpeedyFox
Post by: satrow on December 23, 2019, 07:09:19 PM
@Digerati

You think same browser = same browser settings/Add-ons/plugins and that CPU speed and load, drive speed, free/available memory differences are irrelevant, or minimally different across user installs. Don't assume, test for yourself, you might learn something new.
Title: Re: SpeedyFox
Post by: Digerati on December 23, 2019, 08:41:06 PM
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Have you used it?
I used to use with IE years ago because I had several 100 saved bookmarks/favorites. But when I stopped using IE, I stopped saving bookmarks in my browser.

I have enabled the Quicklaunch toolbar in W10 and have links to the 17 forum sites I visit regularly. And for most other sites, I have links to their log in page in my password manager.

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You think same browser = same browser settings/Add-ons/plugins and that CPU speed and load, drive speed, free/available memory differences are irrelevant, or minimally different across user installs. Don't assume, test for yourself, you might learn something new.
I don't understand how this line has turned sour. I sure didn't mean it too.

I never said anything was irrelevant.

But I contend if you saw improvement, chances are others will too. How much will certainly vary machine to machine and there will also certainly be some who see no change at all.

I just said I would be interested in seeing the results of a test. Sorry for causing consternation.
Title: Re: SpeedyFox
Post by: Corrine on December 23, 2019, 08:42:16 PM
Again OT, but Pale Moon loads 12 tabs faster on one device (same CPU speed, less memory, 13 add-ons) than Microsoft Edge DEV loads 5 tabs/5 add-ons on another device.  When I load Microsoft Edge Beta on the device that I run Pale Moon on, it takes forever to merely load Bing, the one start-up tab.  That isn't to say that I don't like Edge, I do but for "working" (forums, blog, etc.), I prefer Pale Moon.
Title: Re: SpeedyFox
Post by: Digerati on December 23, 2019, 09:12:31 PM
I still prefer PM too. But uBlock Origin is bugging more and more lately - especially with search results. Oh well. That too is OT.
Title: Re: SpeedyFox
Post by: satrow on December 23, 2019, 11:53:54 PM
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But I contend if you saw improvement, chances are others with the same browser settings will too. How much will certainly vary machine to machine and there will also certainly be some who see no change at all.
FTFY.

Do a quick check on one variable: -> about:support > Application Basics > Profile Folder > Open Folder. What's the combined size of the .sqlite files there? For reference, mine were attached earlier.

Minimal Bookmarks and no saved history would likely be smaller than my 20MB, a large number of Bookmarks and years of history saved would likely be larger, eg. my alt PC's working Profile contains more than 71MB of .sqlite files.
Title: Re: SpeedyFox
Post by: Digerati on December 24, 2019, 12:43:41 PM
I quoted you where you said "same browser settings" so I don't know what it is you feel you fixed. Regardless, I said what I intended to say so from my perspective, nothing has changed.

Again, was not making a statement of fact. I said "I'd be interested in seeing... ." and "chances are... ." Truth be told, I'm no longer interested. I have preparations to make for the kids and grandkids tomorrow.

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Title: Re: SpeedyFox
Post by: plodr on December 24, 2019, 01:06:14 PM
@Satrow Thanks for explaining that Strg = Ctrl

@Corrine, I've used AM Deadlink with no problem though I don't know how well it works in Win 10.
https://www.aignes.com/deadlink.htm

I'm not sure what version is installed.  I looked at the tabs under property but the only thing useful was the date in July 2017. I'm sure it isn't the latest.I also have it on my start menu rather than as an extension inside the browser where it used to work.

I forgot to mention, I ran SpeedyFox. I haven't fired up FF enough to offer a review. In fact, because FF is so slow, I have a blank page as my start page. I'll change that and see if I notice a speed difference.
Title: Re: SpeedyFox
Post by: plodr on December 24, 2019, 01:22:12 PM
I found folder where I put the actual versions of AM Deadlink. I have v 4.6 and 4.7 so 4.7 is what I currently have installed. I've downloaded 4.8 and will install that then run it.
Title: Re: SpeedyFox
Post by: plodr on December 24, 2019, 01:55:10 PM
Here's why I switched to Palemoon. I set both browsers to open 1 tab, my home page. I've run SpeedyFox so it is supposed to speed up things.
Firefox took 47 seconds to fully load Protopage. Palemoon took 20 seconds.
This was done with a timer where I clicked the browser with my right hand and pushed the start button on the digital timer with my left hand.

FF has 34 bookmarks on my Bookmarks Toolbar; Palemoon has 59.

Looking at AM Deadlink, I have 272 bookmarks. That might be a combination of all the browsers I have on this computer.
Title: Re: SpeedyFox
Post by: satrow on December 24, 2019, 06:44:12 PM
Due to the way Windows caches files previously opened on a per session basis, software will load faster on a reload than from the first run of the session. My estimation for PMs load time improvement was based on the 3rd of 4 reloads during that session.

SpeedyFox also cleans up (doesn't remove valid entries) History so any differences in History settings between browsers might have greater impact than Bookmarks alone (you can gauge the likely impact by comparing the places.sqlite file sizes in the browsers Profiles).

I don't think AM Deadlink will use the Pale Moon Bookmarks, after a couple of attempts to force it I see the same number of entries as when it defaults to Firefox (+ IE and Chrome/Vivaldi/Opera if found) .



Title: Re: SpeedyFox
Post by: Corrine on December 24, 2019, 11:07:40 PM
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I don't think AM Deadlink will use the Pale Moon Bookmarks
If you export your Pale Moon bookmarks as an HTML file, you can then select that option with AM Deadlink.  It didn't find any dead links for me though.