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Title: Freedomlist - So long and thanks for all the fish!
Post by: Corrine on June 08, 2016, 12:42:44 AM
I heard from a number of LzD members asking me if I knew what was happening when they couldn't get to Freedomlist (FL) at the beginning of the month.  At first it appears that "Webmaster" had merely forgotten to pay the domain renewal.  However, DomainTools (http://whois.domaintools.com/freedomlist.com) was quickly updated to show an update:
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Dates    Created on 2000-05-31 - Expires on 2017-05-31 - Updated on 2016-06-02

Although the domain name was renewed, it appears that Al decided not to continue.  Seeing as how the forum had very little activity after his changes last year (instructions provided to the Admin/Mod team as to what was no longer allowed), it is no wonder the site was dying.



So, RIP Freedomlist.  You were where I got my start.  The official launch of Freedomlist was March 1, 2000.  At that time it was merely a message board with the forum software added later and registration after that.  When I finally got approval for Internet access at work, by April of that year, I decided it was time to get connected from home.  On my lunch break, I researched free ISPs and discovered FL and decided it was time to connect my home PC (Windows 95) to the Internet.  So, I found an extra phone line in the basement, managed to fish the line through the ceiling tiles, drill a hole in the floor and popped in AOL CD and off I went to FL checking the list of Free ISPs (FISPs).

Here's the oldest FL page on the Internet Archive:  https://web.archive.org/web/20000815083949/http://www.freedomlist.com/ and this is what will go down in history as the last capture:  https://web.archive.org/web/20160323104205/http://www.freedomlist.com/forum/

In addition to Aaron, Winchester73, GR@PH;<'s, Paddy and myself, I believe I've "captured" all the FL members who are members here ((I hope I haven't missed anyone.  If so, please give a holler!):  Ron350, Deborah, v_v, Lost, Pete, techie, plodr, frapper, richc46, Orillia3, jaycharles, Eln Lou, CaptainTripps, darksurfer, Dude111, Bruce Bailey, Kemosabe.  Please join in and share your memories, thoughts, whatever about FL. 

A special thanks to Curt for my rose (https://www.landzdown.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sysnative.com%2Fforums%2Fimages%2Fsmilies%2Frose.gif&hash=c1afdf3d6d530488f655395be7915896).





Title: Re: Freedomlist - So long and thanks for all the fish!
Post by: digger on June 08, 2016, 05:07:23 AM
Ah well. Registered in 2001, only the second forum that I ever posted in regularly. I probably had a higher wordcount there than anywhere else on the net.

Too bad archive.org is so spotty. Future historians just lost an important corpus for studying my early life.
Title: Re: Freedomlist - So long and thanks for all the fish!
Post by: Corrine on June 08, 2016, 11:49:35 AM
Yes, we have a lot of history from FL but we won't forget you, digger! 
Title: Re: Freedomlist - So long and thanks for all the fish!
Post by: Pete! on June 08, 2016, 12:41:15 PM
....... I believe I've "captured" all the FL members who are members here ......
Actually, there are others, who chose to use different usernames.
If they don't choose to reveal themselves, I won't tell :)
Title: Re: Freedomlist - So long and thanks for all the fish!
Post by: Corrine on June 08, 2016, 01:28:50 PM
Of course it is up to them.
Title: Re: Freedomlist - So long and thanks for all the fish!
Post by: techie on June 08, 2016, 02:38:47 PM
It's where I meet a number of people many moons ago. It was really the only forum I used. Life has changed and a free ISP has pretty much went to the wayside. Corrine and I were the first moderators, of the forum. It always maintained a General (G rating) throughout it's life.

The forum did provide assistance to a number of people over the years. Operating systems have changed over the years, Security has gotten better, but in those days Ads were becoming a major problem, the old bluescreen for many.  OS systems didn't have firewalls, malware/antivirus protection, young internet browsers. Many users weren't aware of Windows updates.

As I said, life has changed, the need for security and protection hasn't. The choice of the sites direction has always been the webmasters, and I guess this is what he wanted.

Yeah it does go back a few days

https://web.archive.org/web/20010420223355/http://www.freedomlist.com/forum/viewforum.php?forum=3

Title: Re: Freedomlist - So long and thanks for all the fish!
Post by: plodr on June 08, 2016, 03:10:10 PM
It was one of the first forums I joined. That makes the 4th of early forums that are now gone.

It was a great place to get information on free or cheap dialup ISPs when that was what most of us used, back in the day. Now I'd give up quite a few things before I ditched my broadband connection.
Title: Re: Freedomlist - So long and thanks for all the fish!
Post by: v_v on June 08, 2016, 06:11:18 PM
I was one of the ones that queried Corrine about possible changes to Freedomlist back on 6-2-16.  Even though the domain name was renewed as Corrine pointed out I had the feeling that Freedomlist might have seen its last 'electrons.'  The site was already comatose with virtually no vital signs so why bother to keep it on life support?

Like many others I joined the site early on in November 2001.  I had been using the site for maybe a year before that.  But finally after constant badgering from "drchaps" (aka as "Steve") I finally did register.

Back then most of us were constantly looking for any and the best free isps (dial-up) and any other information that we could get about free stuff and free assistance.  Over the years the emphases of the site evolved from free isps, free assistance, and free (internet) stuff, to free security assistance and software update information, and finally to miscellaneous and general conversation and (sigh) contentious political issues.  The constant interaction about all these many issues and more---both constructive and not so constructive---amongst members and repeat visitors eventually developed a sense of community that seemed quite genuine and tangible.  As one of my old posts there indicated Freedomlist came to resemble that old cafe down the street where everybody eventually shows up and knows everyone else.  Surely everyone may not speak or converse or even get along with everyone else but the familiarity and that sense of "knowing" simply added to the feeling of community.

While I am sure that there are similar sites elsewhere Freedomlist was a very special "corner" of the internet for myself and probably many others.  That genuine and tangible feeling of community and dare I say even 'warmth' is what I have missed most of all.

The fact that the web site lasted so long and perhaps left so many memories should be celebrated.  Most certainly Corrine's efforts to help keep the site going for many years (probably for more than the last half of its life) should also be acknowledged, lauded, and celebrated.

***  Kudos Corrine, clearly "we" and the web site would not have survived that long without you! Thank you again and again!!  ***

Kudos too to our fellow final active staff members techie and plodr for all of their efforts over the years.  Can we say that we fought the good fight (to keep things going)?!!  (Smile)

At the same time the disappearance of Freedomlist is also a reminder of the ephemerality of everything that "is" the internet:  here today and possibly gone tomorrow, perhaps without warning or even leaving a trace---except for some old memories!  Let us guide ourselves accordingly.

To all those who remember:  may those old memories provide us with warmth and solace for as long as they last!

Cheers to all!!!

v_v
Title: Re: Freedomlist - So long and thanks for all the fish!
Post by: GR@PH;<'S on June 09, 2016, 04:59:21 AM
It is always sad to see another forum go after all the good work that they did gone but never forgot.

GR@PH;<'S 
 

 
Title: Re: Freedomlist - So long and thanks for all the fish!
Post by: Deborah on June 10, 2016, 02:06:58 PM
Thank you Corrine.  It was a wonderful forum and is missed.  I am sorry it had such an unfortunate ending.  this is something new with, hopefully, a lot of old faces. :)
Title: Re: Freedomlist - So long and thanks for all the fish!
Post by: darksurfer on June 11, 2016, 01:11:33 PM
I remember when I started at FL. I got into some raher interesting discussions with certain members about, albeit, political things, which, looking back, was really silly on my part.

But I did get a lot of useful information about ISPs, products, free and other things. I offered advice, when needed to fellow members. Wow, FL had been in existence since 2000. Wow, am I getting old. ???

This forum here reminds me of the old FL in many ways.

RIP Freedomlist 2000-2016
Title: Re: Freedomlist - So long and thanks for all the fish!
Post by: Dude111 on June 23, 2016, 07:52:56 AM
You guys were the BEST that site ever had Corrrine!!!

You are an amazing staff member and Im glad to have been a part of Freedomlist!!


I dunno what I did to the admin there after you left....  He was very mean to me... He deleted almost everything I posted FROM EVERY MESSAGE BASE all the time just about and Its sad......


Am I really that bad?? (Please be honest if anyone wants to answer me) I dont mean to be...........

Im glad I was invited here!!!
Title: Re: Freedomlist - So long and thanks for all the fish!
Post by: ComicsLover on June 28, 2016, 10:57:28 PM
RIP Freedomlist:  my second 'tech forum' and it was invaluable during my dial-up years.  I think it was just a couple of months ago I went back (nostalgia) and saw that all the posts were old.  Not surprised its been laid to rest, but still a bit sad.  Nice memories.
Title: Re: Freedomlist - So long and thanks for all the fish!
Post by: JohnnyBob on July 02, 2016, 02:20:51 PM
Howdy y'all!  :D

I emailed the Freedomlist.com domain owner who didn't respond then stumbled upon this with a google search. Glad I did because of the archives here. Thanks!

Freedomlist fell out of use over the years but still came in handy when I must quit Charter cable for 30+1 days to come back at a lower promo rate. During that period I must survive on dialup, which I've done once again. My old XP computer with built-in modem still works great. I also have a W8.1 computer with an external USB dialup modem which is sluggish on dialup, not sure why.

Currently I'm on 1access.net which is a reliable 5 hour connection. Also took advantage of Juno's first-month-free offer. Now I'll be back on cable in a couple of days.

Dialup works for almost everything, still, except it's very slow to load some modern websites. Eventually, by refreshing with F5 as needed, it usually gets the job done. The trick is to multitask doing something else while waiting.  For example enter a URL then go eat breakfast or get a cup of coffee while waiting for it to load... :)

Also it helps to keep a bigger browser cache. I even entered some DNS addresses into my HOSTS file for quicker access  to commonly visited sites. DNS lookups on dialup seem relatively slow for some reason, no matter what you do.
Cheers,
JohnnyBob
Title: Re: Freedomlist - So long and thanks for all the fish!
Post by: Dude111 on July 09, 2016, 08:26:54 PM
Welcome Johnny :)

I emailed him also but I doubt he will reply to any of us..... He just is not a nice person.......... Its nice to have Corrine and all the staff here on this site (Mostly the same as on freedomlist (plodr,etc))
Title: Re: Freedomlist - So long and thanks for all the fish!
Post by: CaptainTripps on August 08, 2016, 03:55:20 PM
At last, Freedomlist has passed into history and has been laid to rest after nearly 2 years of site owner induced agony!  The healthy, forward moving FL has been missed because it was a place to gather valuable info, share a smile, a laugh or tidbits of wisdom through discussions of serious and frivolous subjects.  Until 2010, FL was my main source for dialup ISP's when 56k was my only option for internet access.  I always found the security & software update information invaluable until it was suddenly deemed as inappropriate (eventually nearly every worthwhile post was deleted or dismissed as non-relevant to FL's unstated direction).

I'm glad to see many former FL members have migrated over to this forum where we can still keep up with important issues and solutions.  LandzDown is a great forum but it lacks the open spirit of the old FL which just happened during it's early evolution.  It would be impossible to try to design a forum with that sort of "spirit" because it can never be duplicated.  R.I.P. Freedomlist.  :(
Title: Re: Freedomlist - So long and thanks for all the fish!
Post by: plodr on August 08, 2016, 09:49:13 PM
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FL's unstated direction
Boy, you sure said a mouthful.
Even though I dropped dialup for broadband in 2004, FL was one of the first places I checked daily.

Feel free to start any off topic discussions in the Lounge.  No one will throw your posts in the trash.
It was especially discouraging when the webmaster changed the rules daily and moderators had threads removed simply for asking what was allowed and not allowed.
Title: Re: Freedomlist - So long and thanks for all the fish!
Post by: winchester73 on August 08, 2016, 10:29:03 PM
... On a positive note, we got the rose avatar restored  :)
Title: Re: Freedomlist - So long and thanks for all the fish!
Post by: Corrine on August 08, 2016, 10:44:23 PM
LandzDown is a great forum but it lacks the open spirit of the old FL which just happened during it's early evolution.  It would be impossible to try to design a forum with that sort of "spirit" because it can never be duplicated.  R.I.P. Freedomlist.  :( 
LandzDown Forum (LzD) is and was originally created as a "help" site.  The original Freedomlist (FL) was merely a table listing of free dial-up ISPs.  A forum wasn't added until later.   Yes, I was there every day.  FL was the first tab in my start pages. 

Feel free to start any off topic discussions in the Lounge.  No one will throw your posts in the trash.
Except politics :) .  Unlike FL, where the forum contributors were primarily in the U.S., LzD has a much broader base of members.

... On a positive note, we got the rose avatar restored  :)
Yes, my rose avatar, a gif from Curt (one of the FL Admins), was hosted at FL. 
Title: Re: Freedomlist - So long and thanks for all the fish!
Post by: v_v on August 08, 2016, 11:15:27 PM
Ahh yes, the good Captain finally chimes in.

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It would be impossible to try to design a forum with that sort of "spirit" because it can never be duplicated.

This is what makes "special," s p e c i a l !

v_v
Title: Re: Freedomlist - So long and thanks for all the fish!
Post by: Pete! on August 09, 2016, 09:09:51 PM
FreedomList.com is redirecting to dropcatch.com
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FreedomList.com
This domain expired / dropped on 2016-08-06

They claim to be a re-seller of expired domains, but I'm not sure how reliable they are. WOT gives then a "yellow" rating.


Title: Re: Freedomlist - So long and thanks for all the fish!
Post by: techie on August 10, 2016, 02:13:02 PM
It's legit, they snag up domains that are left open or unpaid. They then put them up for auction to highest bidder.

http://whois.domaintools.com/freedomlist.com
Title: Re: Freedomlist - So long and thanks for all the fish!
Post by: Pete! on August 10, 2016, 02:46:56 PM
No redirect this morning, but a page put up by....
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  www.qiangmi.com is a famous domainname escrow company in China.
Title: Re: Freedomlist - So long and thanks for all the fish!
Post by: JDBush61 on August 10, 2016, 11:42:00 PM
Fish?

Title: Re: Freedomlist - So long and thanks for all the fish!
Post by: winchester73 on August 11, 2016, 12:10:14 AM
Google is a wonderful thing to use: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/So_Long,_and_Thanks_for_All_the_Fish
Title: Re: Freedomlist - So long and thanks for all the fish!
Post by: Corrine on August 11, 2016, 12:23:50 AM
"So long and thanks for all the fish" is a reference to a book from the "Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy".  It is just a joking way to say goodbye. 

FL was officially started on March 1, 2000.  Many of us were together close to the entire time.  I found the site in April of that year.  The site bloomed and grew for quite a while.  However, at one point the site owner returned to his home country, leaving me only his mother's phone number (which I was never able to reach).  He paid the hosting fees, I paid the domain renewal and then he later returned to the site.  Things were fine for a while but then in 2013, he had some things to deal with and handed over all the keys to the site to me.  Unfortunately, when he made his final return last year was when things changed as others described. 

For those of us who were there every day year after year, it is sad to see what happened to it.
Title: Re: Freedomlist - So long and thanks for all the fish!
Post by: JDBush61 on August 11, 2016, 01:58:21 AM
Google is a wonderful thing to use: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/So_Long,_and_Thanks_for_All_the_Fish

Thanks. I missed that one, yet after reading the plot summary, I need a nap. Good thing that it's a holiday today here in Japan.  ;)
Title: Re: Freedomlist - So long and thanks for all the fish!
Post by: JDBush61 on August 11, 2016, 01:59:37 AM
"So long and thanks for all the fish" is a reference to a book from the "Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy".  It is just a joking way to say goodbye. 

FL was officially started on March 1, 2000.  Many of us were together close to the entire time.  I found the site in April of that year.  The site bloomed and grew for quite a while.  However, at one point the site owner returned to his home country, leaving me only his mother's phone number (which I was never able to reach).  He paid the hosting fees, I paid the domain renewal and then he later returned to the site.  Things were fine for a while but then in 2013, he had some things to deal with and handed over all the keys to the site to me.  Unfortunately, when he made his final return last year was when things changed as others described. 

For those of us who were there every day year after year, it is sad to see what happened to it.

Interesting. Thanks for the details.
Title: Re: Freedomlist - So long and thanks for all the fish!
Post by: techie on August 11, 2016, 12:41:49 PM
This is where it sits now, for sale I would suppose. The original site said it sells them for $59.00, and then puts them up for auction if more than one offer to purchase the name is offered. Who would know now what the cost is to purchase it?

http://freedomlist.com/

It looks like a Chinese auction site for domain names.
Title: Re: Freedomlist - So long and thanks for all the fish!
Post by: v_v on August 11, 2016, 11:39:57 PM
Wow.  It seems to be changing on an almost daily basis.  Recently for a while it seemed like there was an active auction going on for the site name.  I don't remember how many days that lasted.

Then for a few days it seemed like the page said "dropped" or something like that.

For the last few days there was just the standard "404" error.

Now today the Chinese auction site appears to have picked it up like techie described.

I just wish that everything was archived somewhere so we could all refer to it.  (Sigh)

v_v
Title: Re: Freedomlist - So long and thanks for all the fish!
Post by: Corrine on August 12, 2016, 01:21:15 AM
There are 208 saves of FL pages at https://web.archive.org/web/*/freedomlist.com.  Just pick the year and the dates with the blue circle mean pages were saved.  When you click the Forum link like this one from 2001 which was before there was forum registration, https://web.archive.org/web/20010420223355/http://www.freedomlist.com/forum/viewforum.php?forum=3, you'll find that the are even saved posts.
Title: Re: Freedomlist - So long and thanks for all the fish!
Post by: v_v on August 13, 2016, 02:06:22 AM
Thanks for the archive links Corrine.  While the archive is certainly not complete it does provide a few glimpses over the life-years of the site.

It felt like I was looking at really old pictures, which is basically what the pages are at this point.

Or maybe the better analogy would be that it was like looking at fossils:  preserved structures with all of the life gone out of them!  (Sigh)

v_v
Title: Re: Freedomlist - So long and thanks for all the fish!
Post by: nyancat on August 16, 2016, 05:32:24 AM
Wow...
 
I just happened to type freedomlist.com (on a whim), and it's gone...

I'll have to boot up one of the old computers and see what my user name was back then. I pretty much fell out of the forum when the registration thing started, but still stopped by to see what was up every couple of weeks for years.

Those were exciting times for computers and the internet! I still have all the computers from those days, all the way back to the junky Packard Bell 486 in the mid nineties. Maybe I'll bring them all out of storage in another 10 years or so, heh heh...

 
 


Title: Re: Freedomlist - So long and thanks for all the fish!
Post by: Corrine on August 16, 2016, 11:35:30 AM
The "registration thing" started around the end of 2000, early 2001 so you'll need to go back quite a ways, nyancat.  Do let us know if you figure out your username though.
Title: Re: Freedomlist - So long and thanks for all the fish!
Post by: CaptainTripps on August 16, 2016, 05:37:27 PM
...
I just wish that everything was archived somewhere so we could all refer to it.  (Sigh)

v_v
When things first began going 'south' on FL, I started searching through the site and thought that maybe I should start taking full page screenshots just in case the forum disappeared - after 2 hours of reading, I realized that it would take a massive team effort to ever get that accomplished.  Now, I wish I'd saved even a few pages because the online archive is only a small sample of what was...

A quick run through of My Documents revealed that I DO have a couple pages saved from July 28 & 29, 2008.  The thread of the 28th was started by "plodr" with the last post by "pldor".  The cleaned up post of the 29th was ended by "tehcie".  This was during Sk8trBoi's attempt to further annoy Corrine and the other admins.  Maybe I should print them out, frame them and send copies to Corrine, plodr & techie???   ;D    I sure wish I had the page concerning covering the vents on his laptop - and the one where I asked Corrine what towels she recommended for that purpose when I purchased my first laptop.  Maybe they're on the archive site or hidden somewhere on my computer?  Good and bad times - weren't they?
Title: Re: Freedomlist - So long and thanks for all the fish!
Post by: plodr on August 16, 2016, 09:39:55 PM
Save your ink CaptainTripp. Some of those threads are in my memory bank.
I've since run across many a user as clueless as Sk8trBoi at other places on the internet. It seems like there is a never ending supply of people who should never go near a computer.

I tell my husband about some of the posts and he says, "that can't be for real. Surely someone is making that up." Nope, sadly not.
Title: Re: Freedomlist - So long and thanks for all the fish!
Post by: Corrine on August 16, 2016, 10:40:41 PM
Sk8trBoi certainly was a trip.  I doubt any of us who were around then will forget about covering the vents on his laptop to protect it from food.
Title: Re: Freedomlist - So long and thanks for all the fish!
Post by: v_v on August 17, 2016, 04:12:14 PM
Ahh yes, the "julie" / "Sk8trBoi" episodes / memories!  Tickles your fancy, don't they?!  (Smile)

v_v
Title: Re: Freedomlist - So long and thanks for all the fish!
Post by: Corrine on August 22, 2016, 11:01:09 PM
Some memories are best forgotten!  :D
Title: Re: Freedomlist - So long and thanks for all the fish!
Post by: plodr on August 23, 2016, 03:09:13 PM
But you know Corrine, at every forum, there is someone to replace those posters you wish you could forget.  ;) I won't name names!

I frequent quite a few forums and certain names stick in my mind. When I see a new thread by one of these people, I think "now what nonsense is he/she posting about". I generally read to get my laugh of the day, shake my head and move on where I can offer some genuine help.
Title: Re: Freedomlist - So long and thanks for all the fish!
Post by: Corrine on August 23, 2016, 03:38:13 PM
So true, plodr, so very true. 
Title: Re: Freedomlist - So long and thanks for all the fish!
Post by: v_v on August 26, 2016, 10:41:56 PM
Starting yesterday Thursday 8-25-2016 the Freedomlist.com name pulls up a page with a site name of "MandarinMusing".  It is hard to tell whether the page was just hijacked by a hacker or whether some entity is holding it for ? ? ?  As it currently stands the page seems non-functional but perhaps potentially dangerous in the future (with possible treacherous links)?

v_v
Title: Re: Freedomlist - So long and thanks for all the fish!
Post by: Dude111 on August 28, 2016, 03:59:44 AM
It didnt take long for someone to grab the domain!!
Title: Re: Freedomlist - So long and thanks for all the fish!
Post by: techie on August 28, 2016, 04:17:32 PM
If you have given the old freedomlist  a good WOT rating, you may want to change or remove it. The new site is riding the original sites WOT reputation rating. A Chinese bearing company, selling makeup products???

It requires to login or registration to view there products, email phishing, probably.
Title: Re: Freedomlist - So long and thanks for all the fish!
Post by: Dude111 on August 28, 2016, 08:35:58 PM
I wonder if the same guy is running it?
Title: Re: Freedomlist - So long and thanks for all the fish!
Post by: Pete! on August 28, 2016, 09:22:44 PM
I wonder if the same guy is running it?
I doubt it...
The content is unrelated to the domain name.
This may be one of those shopping and/or search sites that gets temporarily "parked" on unsold domains.
Title: Re: Freedomlist - So long and thanks for all the fish!
Post by: Pete! on August 31, 2016, 05:48:21 PM
I got an interesting reaction from WebAdvisor when I clicked on my FreedomList bookmark today.

The first screen is where WebAdvisor redirected me to.
The second screen is the report, it didn't tell me much, but threat level was considered "high".
Title: Re: Freedomlist - So long and thanks for all the fish!
Post by: techie on August 31, 2016, 07:12:44 PM
I got an interesting reaction from WebAdvisor when I clicked on my FreedomList bookmark today.

The first screen is where WebAdvisor redirected me to.
The second screen is the report, it didn't tell me much, but threat level was considered "high".

It could be that I notified McAfee Site Advisor and ask them to review it based on current and not previous site experience.
Title: Re: Freedomlist - So long and thanks for all the fish!
Post by: Corrine on September 01, 2016, 12:49:56 AM
Techie and I have both added reviews at WOT.  Feel free to "agree" or add your own review:  https://www.mywot.com/en/scorecard/freedomlist.com?utm_source=addon&utm_content=popup-donuts
Title: Re: Freedomlist - So long and thanks for all the fish!
Post by: Deborah on September 25, 2016, 07:49:24 PM
Loved it for over 15 years...  There was a lot of very useful information and help for me.  I was a very novice internet user and didn't know much about computers at all.  My green hand had to be held a few times as experienced users helped me navigate this rather daunting world.  You've rescued my old Dell more than once.  Thank you for everything.

I don't get to LandzDown as often as I did Freedomlist but, when I do, I love seeing familiar people.  I hope to see more!
Title: Re: Freedomlist - So long and thanks for all the fish!
Post by: Corrine on September 25, 2016, 08:51:25 PM
I don't get to LandzDown as often as I did Freedomlist ...
I was thinking the same thing today and wondering when you'd be back to visit.  :)
Title: Re: Freedomlist - So long and thanks for all the fish!
Post by: rvijay07 on October 03, 2016, 05:28:57 AM
Hi there, old time FL member, decided to join here. Nice to see old FLers here. Hello all :)
Title: Re: Freedomlist - So long and thanks for all the fish!
Post by: Corrine on October 03, 2016, 11:20:14 AM
Well, well, well, look who finally showed up -- one of the very earliest members of FL.  Hope all is well.
Title: Re: Freedomlist - So long and thanks for all the fish!
Post by: rvijay07 on October 03, 2016, 11:42:34 AM
Yes, things are fine. Here is a my thread about Linux and older PCs that is still active and may help some folks:
http://tinyurl.com/j7lrcjz

Title: Re: Freedomlist - So long and thanks for all the fish!
Post by: Corrine on October 03, 2016, 11:46:47 AM
I remember when "Niekas" set up the Linux forum.
Title: Re: Freedomlist - So long and thanks for all the fish!
Post by: rvijay07 on October 03, 2016, 04:46:09 PM
Yes, given the change at Freedomlist in its last few years and even more intense changes in the last few months, I was wondering if the site was hacked and someone wanted the forum closed. Cause for a long time the webmaster was very nice, open and friendly. Towards the end he had changed 180 degrees completely. Such a personality would never put in time to open such a forum and assist others. And if it truly was the webmaster and he changed so much, can't help wondering what made him do this big change in personality ? Medications perhaps, some real big personal challenge, personal failure or even disappointment with freedomlist itself maybe. New members were not joining, most of the old members were posting irregularly, so perhaps even web traffic was decreasing.
Title: Re: Freedomlist - So long and thanks for all the fish!
Post by: Corrine on October 03, 2016, 05:39:09 PM
There certainly were changes.  Based on my private interactions with him, Niekas never really was the same after he returned home in 2005 and it went downhill from there.
Title: Re: Freedomlist - So long and thanks for all the fish!
Post by: rvijay07 on October 03, 2016, 06:12:52 PM
Yes, one of the most vital things I noticed was that most FL users were from US. He shared anti US sentiments in his replies to some of my posts. This indicates a very vital point that shows his core thoughts.
Title: I knew it!
Post by: Dude111 on October 15, 2016, 02:42:29 AM
I think he was the meanest to me!!!

He started deleting everything I posted just about (On every base) .. I ended up in a big argument with him but it didnt help anything.....

You can see my thread title here:

http://web.archive.org/web/20160324064301/http://www.freedomlist.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=4

I cant seem to pull it up thru that though!! (Other threads come up :()

I posted innocent replies.. 1 congratulating Corrine and he deleted that!!


A very nasty person...... I knew he was gonna take it down!!
Title: Re: Freedomlist - So long and thanks for all the fish!
Post by: rvijay07 on October 15, 2016, 02:53:35 AM
http://endoftheamericandream.com/archives/russia-is-preparing-for-a-nuclear-war-with-the-united-states

There is likely a deep reason for such a hostile behavior towards almost all members. Check the link above.
The one thing I personally observed was that most FL members were simple, small time folks who wanted to share
a bit, get some help and move on. So, many things can happen in the bigger scheme of things. However, I am always nice to the small, simple person no matter where they are from. This is peaceful and kind.
Title: Re: Freedomlist - So long and thanks for all the fish!
Post by: Pete! on December 08, 2016, 01:24:23 PM
Just noticed that "McAfee WebAdvisor" has stopped blocking access.
WOT is still "green".
Title: Re: Freedomlist - So long and thanks for all the fish!
Post by: techie on December 08, 2016, 10:57:06 PM
Just noticed that "McAfee WebAdvisor" has stopped blocking access.
WOT is still "green".

I'm not getting the same McAfee result that you are, it is still blocked. The site now is kind of fragmented if you get there.
http://www.mcafee.com/threat-intelligence/site/default.aspx?url=http://freedomlist.com/#
Title: Re: Freedomlist - So long and thanks for all the fish!
Post by: Pete! on December 09, 2016, 01:31:09 PM
Just noticed that "McAfee WebAdvisor" has stopped blocking access.
WOT is still "green".

I'm not getting the same McAfee result that you are, it is still blocked. The site now is kind of fragmented if you get there.
http://www.mcafee.com/threat-intelligence/site/default.aspx?url=http://freedomlist.com/#
If I "google" it there's still a WebAdvisor "red Xed circle" by it's link, and the "site report" is still showing "high risk" (just like your link), but it's no longer blocking my access.
Title: Re: Freedomlist - So long and thanks for all the fish!
Post by: rvijay07 on December 09, 2016, 02:49:05 PM
Nothing is forever, accepting and preparing for this in advance is good for the long term. Freedomlist.com served folks well and it is good we all have fond memories of that site. It is evident now that the time to move on came long ago. Let us all pray for the peace, well being and the moving on to more positive thing for webmaster, all the mods and members. It helps to focus on the good we can do in terms of learning, networking positively and supporting others no matter where we go from this point. There are a lot more sites today and more folks who need our support and interaction.

Best Wishes to all. :)
Title: Excellent!
Post by: Dude111 on December 12, 2016, 01:40:00 AM
Thats a nice reply bud!!!

Yes even though Webmaster was mean and cold,it doesnt mean we have to be does it??
Title: Re: Freedomlist - So long and thanks for all the fish!
Post by: Boz on February 15, 2017, 06:59:37 PM
I'm finally here.  :)  I registered at Freedomlist in Feb, 2001, I think, after being a visitor for some time before that.  I was there until the end.  :(
Title: Re: Freedomlist - So long and thanks for all the fish!
Post by: Corrine on February 15, 2017, 07:50:08 PM
Glad you finally made it, Boz.
Title: Re: Freedomlist - So long and thanks for all the fish!
Post by: v_v on February 15, 2017, 11:01:08 PM
Another long lost Freedomlister resurfaces!

Welcome Boz.

v_v
Title: Re: Freedomlist - So long and thanks for all the fish!
Post by: Deborah on February 16, 2017, 06:10:05 PM
Welcome Boz!!!!!
Title: Re: Freedomlist - So long and thanks for all the fish!
Post by: Boz on February 16, 2017, 06:15:29 PM
Another long lost Freedomlister resurfaces!

Welcome Boz.

v_v
Thank you, v_v!  Yes, it's been a while!  :D
Title: Re: Freedomlist - So long and thanks for all the fish!
Post by: Boz on February 16, 2017, 06:16:49 PM
Welcome Boz!!!!!
Thank you, Deborah!  It's good to see you!  8) :)
Title: Re: Freedomlist - So long and thanks for all the fish!
Post by: Corrine on February 16, 2017, 06:58:23 PM
Where's your old avatar, Boz, or are you going to opt for a new one?

I wasn't sure if the Internet Archive would show where images were originally hosted or not so went looking for yours.  Turns out, I clicked on an interesting thread in the archive with a lot of names, many of whom are here but also a few others not forgotten, including blsJason, Curt, kelticwizard, Aznboi1396.

http://web.archive.org/web/20151017024816/http://www.freedomlist.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=35570&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0
Title: Re: Freedomlist - So long and thanks for all the fish!
Post by: Boz on February 17, 2017, 10:09:12 AM
Where's your old avatar, Boz, or are you going to opt for a new one?

I wasn't sure if the Internet Archive would show where images were originally hosted or not so went looking for yours.  Turns out, I clicked on an interesting thread in the archive with a lot of names, many of whom are here but also a few others not forgotten, including blsJason, Curt, kelticwizard, Aznboi1396.

http://web.archive.org/web/20151017024816/http://www.freedomlist.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=35570&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0
Got it.  Thanks!
Title: Re: Freedomlist - So long and thanks for all the fish!
Post by: techie on February 17, 2017, 03:01:46 PM
I was wondering when you were going to show up, welcome back Boz :)

Freedomlist is just part of the past now.

All things change and sometimes it just happens. My first Walkman, a AM transistor radio in a shirt pocket ;D

A computer wasn't even concealable at the time. Imagine if someone told you 45 years ago you would have a computer, phone, and music player just one device in your pocket.
Title: Re: Freedomlist - So long and thanks for all the fish!
Post by: plodr on February 17, 2017, 03:46:37 PM
Hah, I grew up when radios either had to be plugged in or have crystals. I had a crystal set that I used an alligator clip to clip to the metal baseboard radiator and listened with a single earplug.

When transistor radios came out, I was thrilled that you could walk around with a radio unplugged! My first transistor radio was huge.  It did not fit in a pocket.
Title: Re: Freedomlist - So long and thanks for all the fish!
Post by: guh on March 09, 2017, 07:29:43 AM
Hah, I grew up when radios either had to be plugged in or have crystals. I had a crystal set that I used an alligator clip to clip to the metal baseboard radiator and listened with a single earplug.

When transistor radios came out, I was thrilled that you could walk around with a radio unplugged! My first transistor radio was huge.  It did not fit in a pocket.
My father told me that when he was a kid he woud find the crystals needed for the crystal radio by the railroad tracks. I never made one, but I did have one of those Johnson-Smith pen radios (in the shape of a pen), which I just alligator clipped to a piece of metal and the one earplug.
I'm glad to see some of the old crew...I was just going through my old pass-cards and thought I would try to get involved in the word game and somehow found this place.  It makes me feel good inside to be able to talk  to old friends.  With all the help at DFF and FL, it seemed just like family.  Cheers to all!

p.s. Does anyone remember the 'Laugh boxes/bags" JS used to sell which laughed when you turned it on,  and it kept laughing until everybody started laughing with/at it?
Title: Re: Freedomlist - So long and thanks for all the fish!
Post by: plodr on March 09, 2017, 12:47:46 PM
Well guh! (That was your tagline I think.) Glad you found this hangout for some of the old crew at FL.
Title: Re: Freedomlist - So long and thanks for all the fish!
Post by: Boz on March 09, 2017, 06:10:08 PM
Good to see you, guh!
Title: Re: Freedomlist - So long and thanks for all the fish!
Post by: Deborah on March 20, 2017, 06:24:30 PM
thinking of you all very warmly and wondered what everyone is doing now..
Title: Re: Freedomlist - So long and thanks for all the fish!
Post by: Corrine on March 20, 2017, 06:34:59 PM
Trying to stay out of trouble. Deb, and most definitely ready for spring weather!  The area where I live is what locals refer to as "Upstate NY".  We got hit a week ago Wednesday with an 80 MPH wind storm.  The county had over 100,000 without power, including well over 10,000 in the town that I live in.  Over 20 roads were closed in town because of either the 241 trees that fell in roads, power lines in the roads or both.  Homes had trees through the roof.  Power companies from Montreal, New Brunswick, Connecticut, Pennsylvania, Ohio and elsewhere came to assist.  I was among the lucky ones, didn't lose power, had just one tree down in the back, two huge limbs and lots of brush.

Then, a week to the day later, Wednesday, March 15, the Nor'easter called Stella hit us with 20+" of snow -- heavy, blowing snow.  Fortunately, the last of the people who lost power the week before got it back by the end of the day.  I have a great snow plow contractor so no problems there.  Roof contractors had already been busy placing tarps on roofs damaged from the wind storm.  With the wind & snow out of the north coming across Lake Ontario, the north side of my roof was mainly clear but there were deep drifts of snow on the south side.  The drifts were so deep, I couldn't get them with the "roof rake" and was fortunate to be able to get someone to come and shovel to prevent ice dams.

So, yes, bring on spring!
Title: Re: Freedomlist - So long and thanks for all the fish!
Post by: plodr on March 21, 2017, 01:28:07 PM
I was wondering how much snow you got, Corrine. We had 12.5" on Monday night/Tuesday but thankfully in March you can count on the temps getting warm and it melting quickly. We were in the 40's on Sunday and yesterday and will be in the 50's today so I can see patches of grass. My poor daffodils that were getting ready to bloom are still buried in snow.
Title: Re: Freedomlist - So long and thanks for all the fish!
Post by: GR@PH;<'S on March 25, 2017, 05:55:30 AM
In snow you must tread  cearfully.

GR@PH;<'S, (https://www.landzdown.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi5.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fy197%2FANG-Graphics%2FHammys_pint.gif&hash=891215fc74b40d6d8eadf5f47dd54d5e)
Title: Re: Freedomlist - So long and thanks for all the fish!
Post by: Deborah on March 27, 2017, 05:02:06 PM
We, in Seattle get 1/2 an inch and we close schools.  An inch and, we call out the National guard. We do have a lot of rusty bones, however.

Quietly, I was thinking of you and sending bunches of heated, good energy your direction as well as a few hugs.

Hopefully, with Spring now upon us, good weather will prevail.
Title: Re: Freedomlist - So long and thanks for all the fish!
Post by: orillia3 on July 19, 2017, 07:04:48 AM
How Photobucket is now shaking down its users
http://nypost.com/2017/07/05/how-photobucket-is-now-shaking-down-its-users/
Title: Re: Freedomlist - So long and thanks for all the fish!
Post by: plodr on July 19, 2017, 02:18:45 PM
orillia3, there's already an earlier thread about this
http://www.landzdown.com/web-news/photobucket-tos-change!/
Title: Re: Freedomlist - So long and thanks for all the fish!
Post by: rvijay07 on November 23, 2017, 11:15:12 AM
The computers we used when on Freedomlist are like dinosaurs now, the P2 and the P3s. No one even wants them. Saw a youtube video where one person even got an old P2 laptop for 3 bucks on garage sale once, felt quite touching to see. They still mostly work and do their job tho.

I still prefer to use an old P4 mostly. Still have the P2 - IBM Aptiva I used to access FL, it is still functional. This thread has served as a nice healing for FL days.
Title: Re: Freedomlist - So long and thanks for all the fish!
Post by: Corrine on November 23, 2017, 11:33:26 AM
Nice to see you Vijay!
Title: Re: Freedomlist - So long and thanks for all the fish!
Post by: rvijay07 on December 12, 2017, 07:35:52 PM
Nice to see you Vijay!

Thanks Corrine, just wanted to share that some of the computers from the era of start of FL are going for a good sum now on ebay. Someone brought this to my notice recently. Anything over 10 years is considered old in IT. FL was started almost 15 years ago. So check online and see if it is worth selling your old PC, donating it to someone else etc., before trashing it if you still have it around.
Title: Re: Freedomlist - So long and thanks for all the fish!
Post by: Corrine on December 12, 2017, 10:57:27 PM
Actually, FL was Created on 2000-05-31! 
Title: Re: Freedomlist - So long and thanks for all the fish!
Post by: rvijay07 on December 13, 2017, 03:13:57 AM
Actually, FL was Created on 2000-05-31!

Yes now I recall, guess with time I am getting the dates mixed up a bit. In another 5 years computers from that era will be really antique.
Title: Re: Freedomlist - So long and thanks for all the fish!
Post by: v_v on December 14, 2017, 01:52:18 AM
Just tonight I took 11 computers and 4 monitors to the local Goodwill that does recycling.  There were several 80286, 80386, and 80486 chip machines in that mix, along with an old 8086 by Texas Instruments (this one had two full size 5 1/4 inch floppies!).  The monitors were mostly 14 inch models.  I think that most of these items long preceded Freedomlist and also the internet as we currently know it.

Even still I have an AT&T 6300 (circa 1985) laying around.

v_v
Title: Re: Freedomlist - So long and thanks for all the fish!
Post by: plodr on December 14, 2017, 03:10:27 PM
v_v, good to see you again.

That's a lot of hardware!

Today I'm taking two, still working, Surfboard modems to BestBuy to e-cycle. Comcast won't allow DOCSIS 2 modems after 18th January 2018 so those modems can't even be used as backup in case my new modem goes down.
Title: Re: Freedomlist - So long and thanks for all the fish!
Post by: Corrine on February 28, 2018, 06:51:11 PM
A reminder popped up on my calendar for tomorrow, what would have been FL's 18th anniversary.  I had saved the URLs (now blocked by Malwarebytes) and Al's comments in the calendar details:

Quote
"well freedomlist.com domain name was register a bit later then site was started. also forum added even later.
Anyway i opened site march 1 2000. Thats birthday of freedomlist"

and from 8/28/2000 when the IPB forum was installed replacing the message board:

Quote
"Discussion has been setup on this server. Previous messages hasn't been lost, but havent been transfered to the new database because of version and database differences. For now lets keep it going have fun everyone"

So, rather than celebrating FL, I'm celebrating all the many friends made along the way. 
Title: Re: Freedomlist - So long and thanks for all the fish!
Post by: Pete! on February 28, 2018, 08:17:09 PM
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0737/9291/products/thumbs_up_emoji_white_sml.jpg?v=1496441057)
Title: Re: Freedomlist - So long and thanks for all the fish!
Post by: v_v on February 28, 2018, 11:15:25 PM
sigh. . . .
Title: Re: Freedomlist - So long and thanks for all the fish!
Post by: techie on March 01, 2018, 12:45:41 PM
One of those things to store in the memory banks.
Title: Re: Freedomlist - So long and thanks for all the fish!
Post by: Boz on March 01, 2018, 04:56:40 PM
sigh. . . .
Agreed!
Title: Re: Freedomlist - So long and thanks for all the fish!
Post by: rvijay07 on March 17, 2018, 05:06:57 PM
Take the best from FL experience, improvise and move on. :)
Title: Re: Freedomlist - So long and thanks for all the fish!
Post by: Corrine on March 17, 2018, 05:40:15 PM
Been there, done that and here I am.  :)
Title: Re: Freedomlist - So long and thanks for all the fish!
Post by: winchester73 on March 17, 2018, 11:14:42 PM
Been there, done that and here I am.  :)

Reminds me of another situation  ;)
Title: Re: Freedomlist - So long and thanks for all the fish!
Post by: Corrine on March 18, 2018, 10:52:17 AM
 
Been there, done that and here I am.  :)

Reminds me of another situation  ;)
Indeed!  Thirteen years ago.
Title: Re: Freedomlist - So long and thanks for all the fish!
Post by: Corrine on March 01, 2019, 10:05:57 PM
Another year since the anniversary of FL first going on line and I'm happy that some of the same friends from those years are still around. 
Title: Re: Freedomlist - So long and thanks for all the fish!
Post by: techie on March 02, 2019, 02:06:48 AM
Another year since the anniversary of FL first going on line and I'm happy that some of the same friends from those years are still around.

Maybe a few years ;)
Title: Re: Freedomlist - So long and thanks for all the fish!
Post by: v_v on March 02, 2019, 02:18:02 PM
But have we grown up yet?!!  (Smile)


Cheers to the "some" who have remained around, and

Appreciation and Gratitude for the fond memories!

Keep the faith!!!

v_v
Title: Re: Freedomlist - So long and thanks for all the fish!
Post by: darksurfer on March 03, 2019, 03:09:51 PM
Freedomlist--such sweet memories.  ;D

I certainly made my voice heard on this site, The early 2000s the possibilities were ther. But here I am at Landzdown. I've been much more mellow, if you will, since coming here.

Freedomlist RIP ;D
Title: Re: Freedomlist - So long and thanks for all the fish!
Post by: Boz on March 06, 2019, 12:46:45 PM
I missed the anniversary.  I miss Freedomlist.  But I still have the memories!
Title: Re: Freedomlist - So long and thanks for all the fish!
Post by: Corrine on March 06, 2019, 02:17:15 PM
At least we can still stay in touch here, Boz.