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Thread for discussion of forbidding of software patents.........
« on: November 21, 2006, 03:00:20 PM »
Please, only people with the opinion that software patents should be banned in this thread... any opposing opinions are not welcome /allowed in this thread....
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Re: Thread for discussion of forbidding of software patents.........
« Reply #1 on: November 21, 2006, 03:03:42 PM »
Please, only people with the opinion that software patents should be banned in this thread... any opposing opinions are not welcome /allowed in this thread....
OK... and what do we talk about? :blink:
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Re: Thread for discussion of forbidding of software patents.........
« Reply #2 on: November 21, 2006, 03:07:09 PM »
I dunno... we all have the same opinion, so its not really a lively discussion
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Re: Thread for discussion of forbidding of software patents.........
« Reply #3 on: November 21, 2006, 03:11:43 PM »
Well, that was pointless then, man ... no? :tease: :lol:
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Re: Thread for discussion of forbidding of software patents.........
« Reply #4 on: November 21, 2006, 03:13:53 PM »
well I was advised to do this... but it didnt seem to acheive anything....

so... ah well....
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Re: Thread for discussion of forbidding of software patents.........
« Reply #5 on: November 21, 2006, 03:51:50 PM »
Please, only people with the opinion that software patents should be banned in this thread... any opposing opinions are not welcome /allowed in this thread....

Hey guys, I'm a bit curious. I was reading the 'MS at it again....' thread with a little interest yesterday and then today I saw this thread. I probably wouldn't have replied to the 'MS' thread because I don't as yet have a defined opinion. The reason I don't have a defined opinion is because I understand that computing and the wares in particular present a brand new realm of thought when considering such things as protecting 'work product'...which I personally believe in quite strongly. But, that isn't the point of my post here. 

Now I have a question or two; What would happen to me if I should post an opposing comment here? Is this thread just a joke?...or what? Perhaps I just haven't had enough coffee this morning to gain any real understanding. I tend to be a bit slow in the mornings now. :)


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Re: Thread for discussion of forbidding of software patents.........
« Reply #6 on: November 21, 2006, 04:11:17 PM »
Now I have a question or two; What would happen to me if I should post an opposing comment here?
I assume Profixer would get really upset! Be sure to read his signature  :hysterical:
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Re: Thread for discussion of forbidding of software patents.........
« Reply #7 on: November 21, 2006, 04:19:21 PM »
Ahh, the fog is starting to lift a bit. :)  :lol:
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Re: Thread for discussion of forbidding of software patents.........
« Reply #8 on: November 21, 2006, 04:40:01 PM »
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Re: Thread for discussion of forbidding of software patents.........
« Reply #9 on: November 21, 2006, 05:31:49 PM »
I just made a webshop.... it took me quite a while... a couple of years to get all the bugs ironed out.... I think I have had some great ideas... and used all the standard stuff like pay with credit card and a shopping cart etc... all pretty standard things in a shop.... but ****!! I just found this?!??!?!? http://webshop.ffii.de/ and I have wasted loads of money in coding time now... what do I do??

Humm quite interesting scenario...(fictional of course) and also interesting is the hilarity of the patented webshop... I wasnt aware that concepts such as shopping cart and preview were such original inventions with no prior art available? just because they are electronic implementations of something which is pretty much a generally free concept... A shopping cart... lets see... a method of carrying objects around a shop which you then take to the checkout?... hummm the electronic implementation does not in anyway change this basic concept, and it certainly doesnt appear to add anything to it either....  previewing a larger version of a smaller image while still be able to see the other image?... hummm do I infringe on this patent by taking my magnifying glass to the screen and enlarging the image for one of my eyes while still seing the smaller version with the other?... patents like this are nonsense, and should never have been issued....

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Re: Thread for discussion of forbidding of software patents.........
« Reply #10 on: November 21, 2006, 05:42:37 PM »
for anyone that is interested, the patent application description of "Click to preview" is as follows

"Disclosed is a method of implementing a preview window in an object oriented programming system that includes an application having at least a first panel and a second panel that are selectively displayable on a display screen. The second planel displays underlying information and the first panel displays an abbreviated representation of the underlying information. In the present invention, the user can temporarily display a preview window that contains underlying information while viewing the first panel"

Well darn... if that doesnt just sound like "zooming" but with pretty words put around it... this is one of the basic problems with patents... dressing the applications in such language gives the patent applicant the chance to patent something which is essentially quite an abstract concept.... and what is terribly annoying is, despite all this precision legal jargon, you could re-invent this ivention using a "NON object oriented programming system" which technically should NOT infringe upon the patent... but do you think thats what litigators come after you for? NO... they come after you for the abstract concept.... something which was never expressed in the original patent application (because it wouldnt have, and shouldnt have been granted in that case)....
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Re: Thread for discussion of forbidding of software patents.........
« Reply #11 on: November 21, 2006, 05:48:22 PM »
What would happen to me if I should post an opposing comment here? Is this thread just a joke?...or what?

Mikey... you may only reply here if you are of the opinion that software patents are bbbbbaaaaddddddddddd
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Re: Thread for discussion of forbidding of software patents.........
« Reply #12 on: November 21, 2006, 08:31:12 PM »
But what is claimed in "Click to preview"?  Anything can be disclosed, including the kitchen sink.  It is the claims that determine the breadth of the patent.

And, yes, I replied here anyway even though I am in favor of patents -- they've paid my salary for 40 years.  I'm not saying the system is perfect, most particularly when it comes to software patents.  Even further from perfect are the courts considering patent infringement. 


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Re: Thread for discussion of forbidding of software patents.........
« Reply #13 on: November 21, 2006, 08:56:24 PM »
The question was never anything to do with whether or not someone gets their salary because of patents in place. The question is to do with the ethics of patenting knowledge... and software is an expression of knowledge...  what I and Assarbad have been discussing is the fact that knowledge is free, and no-one has the right to say... "you may not express that knowledge because I have already done it"... thats just wrong in my opinion..

anyway, its quite apparent that this subject is quite touchy for all, so I suggest we lock this thread and move on.. otherwise we are gonna end up in too many socio-economical-philosphical arguments..
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Re: Thread for discussion of forbidding of software patents.........
« Reply #14 on: November 21, 2006, 09:57:44 PM »
yep i agree with the topic !!!!!
there are professional companies now that find a old patent and then sue someone with $ for violating it !!!!
and the way the system works here is if you want to fight it you need big $$$$$$$ and a staff of land sharks ( lawyers)
and have about 5 years or so to do nothing !!
can't remember all the names, but remember when a small non profitable company went after ibm and users of some old unix code?
the code had been made open source by ibm and a few big companies use it so they sent letters blackmailing them if they didn't pay $ to them !!! and the classic easier to pay than turn the sharks loose


well i sit here on my linux box typing away with 100% open source software
( ok i have a a/v on it, but it is more to make sure no window's buddies get anything)
ok i don't have realplayer on , but i am on a dialup and don't miss it at all !

i have nothing against pay for software, but if i spend the $ i still think it should work and not be in beta for 10 years ! and maybe they could protect the whole thing and not something that is in it !

NOTE" everyone knows that microsoft and bill gates invented the mouse ..right?
not so it was from Xerox Park and he saw it on a special tour and then went back and delveloped  the software for it
and xerox didn't think of going to court