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Title: Daylight Saving Time Arrives Sunday in the States
Post by: Corrine on March 10, 2018, 03:07:17 PM
Yes, it is Daylight Saving Time (DST) once again and I am still advocating a compromise of 1/2 time -- turn the clocks ahead 1/2 hour in the Spring (even though March 11 is a bit ahead of Spring) and then leave them alone! 

As M3 Sweatt notes in Daylight Saving Time Arrives Sunday in the States: Prepare to Spring Forward and lose some sleep – Satisfy Me (https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/mthree/2018/03/10/daylight-saving-time-arrives-sunday-in-the-states-prepare-to-spring-forward-and-lose-some-sleep/),
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there is only one “S” in the term “Daylight Savings Time.
That's correct.  It is "Saving" not "SavingS". 

Since I doubt the powers that be will adopt my 1/2-time suggestion, I agree with M3 Sweatt that we should do away with the changes and remain on daylight saving time as discussed by Angela Chen in We should keep Daylight Savings Time forever (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/msn/we-should-keep-daylight-savings-time-forever/ar-BBK3YZM?ffid=gz).

As to adjustments to your computer, smart phone, cable/satellite service, etc. nothing is needed on your part.  Electric alarm clocks, stove, microwave and other "non-smart" devices need to be set ahead one hour.  I always "make the rounds" an hour or so before going to bed so I can start the mental process of adjusting to the time change.

What are your thoughts about the time change?
Title: Re: Daylight Saving Time Arrives Sunday in the States
Post by: Corrine on March 10, 2018, 03:53:46 PM
By the way, if you notice that the forum time does not match the correct current time, it can be changed on your profile.

At the top of the forum, click "Profile".  Under "Modify Profile" select "Look and Layout".  Click "auto detect", scroll to the bottom of the age and click "Change profile".
Title: Re: Daylight Saving Time Arrives Sunday in the States
Post by: Pete! on March 10, 2018, 04:32:20 PM
The "time" is just a convenient way of coordinating with the rest of the world.

As a retiree, I just get up when I'm rested, eat when I'm hungry, and go to bed when I'm tired.

When I was working, all my employers were running 24/7 operations. My hours were whatever it took to get the job done. With the exception of "meetings", if something had to be done, the time of day or night was irrelevant.

Having said that, I've already changed all the clocks in my home, except my wristwatch. I'll change that tomorrow. 

Title: Re: Daylight Saving Time Arrives Sunday in the States
Post by: ky331 on March 10, 2018, 05:01:17 PM
From my pugs:
Title: Re: Daylight Saving Time Arrives Sunday in the States
Post by: DR M on March 10, 2018, 06:06:04 PM
''Summer Time'' as we call it, will be applied on the 25th of March in Europe. So the time difference between you and me will become smaller for a few days. I don't like the time change. Also I don't agree that we should keep DST forever. Most of the jobs start at 7:30 a.m. here, so people would have to get prepared in the darkness, having in mind that we are the the easternmost island in the Mediterranean.
Title: Re: Daylight Saving Time Arrives Sunday in the States
Post by: Aaron Hulett on March 10, 2018, 06:09:09 PM
And therein lies the challenge. If you keep it forward, it’s not great for a group. If you keep it back, it’s not great for a group. If you flip it forward and back, it’s not great either.

Which group will be ok with getting the short end of the stick?
Title: Re: Daylight Saving Time Arrives Sunday in the States
Post by: Corrine on March 10, 2018, 06:53:50 PM
Thus, my suggestion for 1/2-time.  It is a compromise, providing an additional 1/2 hour of daylight in the morning as well as the evening.  Plus, people (and pets) no longer need to adjust to the time change. 

I didn't mind going to work in the dark as much as I minded going home in the dark and not having any evening daylight left. 
Title: Re: Daylight Saving Time Arrives Sunday in the States
Post by: DR M on March 10, 2018, 07:17:53 PM
I didn't mind going to work in the dark...

But that would not be easy for the children, especially for the smallest children (Kindergarten and the first classes of Primary School). And of course for the teachers, and for students' achievement etc....

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As a retiree, I just get up when I'm rested, eat when I'm hungry, and go to bed when I'm tired.

I like this. :)

Title: Re: Daylight Saving Time Arrives Sunday in the States
Post by: Corrine on March 10, 2018, 08:36:53 PM
Yup, Pete has the right attitude.  (Too bad my dog doesn't think the same way.  :D  )
Title: Re: Daylight Saving Time Arrives Sunday in the States
Post by: pastywhitegurl on March 10, 2018, 09:08:17 PM
They've already show that the time change every spring is a health hazard.  More heart attacks and traffic accidents happen on the spring time change than any other day of the year.

That alone should tell people its a bad idea to mess with body clocks.

The people that really have a confusing time of it are in Indiana, where different parts of the state either observe or don't observe the time change.

I hope Florida is successful in getting their time stabilized.  Maybe they will start a trend.
Title: Re: Daylight Saving Time Arrives Sunday in the States
Post by: JDBush61 on March 10, 2018, 09:40:41 PM
Time. Hmmmmmmm. Time is interesting. I rarely think about time. I often forget which day it is. I sometimes wonder what month it is. Usually, when I wake up, my first thoughts before opening my eyes are "Where am I?" ... "What did I do last night?" ... "Did I kill anyone?" ... "Where's my wallet?" ... "Where's my mobile phone?" Hmmmm. Time. Alcohol. Hmmm.

Working at home, I often forget which country I'm in. No joke. It's odd, maybe. I keep my drapes closed. When I sometimes think about time, I glance at the bottom the drapes. If I see light, I think "OK ... it's now daytime."

Speaking of time, I'm getting pretty tired of constantly hearing about AI. I was telling a friend the other day that I know what's coming, and I DO NOT want to be here in 50 years. No joke. I wish someone would finally get around to making a time machine. I want to go back. I'll be first in line to buy one. '61 .. '71 ... either one would be OK. 2071? No thanks!

Rotary phones ... 13-channel televisions ... mom & pop grocery stores ... cars with an 8-track that run on GASOLINE. That'll work fine. If I run out of gas, I'll stick out my thumb and hitchhike.

One hour up, One hour back. Doesn't really matter to me.
Title: Re: Daylight Saving Time Arrives Sunday in the States
Post by: hayc59 on March 11, 2018, 06:34:24 AM
The "time" is just a convenient way of coordinating with the rest of the world.

As a retiree, I just get up when I'm rested, eat when I'm hungry, and go to bed when I'm tired.

When I was working, all my employers were running 24/7 operations. My hours were whatever it took to get the job done. With the exception of "meetings", if something had to be done, the time of day or night was irrelevant.

Having said that, I've already changed all the clocks in my home, except my wristwatch. I'll change that tomorrow. 



I do the same thing since I retired two years ago!! yea baby
Title: Re: Daylight Saving Time Arrives Sunday in the States
Post by: Frands on March 11, 2018, 11:49:29 AM
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As a retiree, I just get up when I'm rested, eat when I'm hungry, and go to bed when I'm tired.

Just my words :)

I hate the winter time here. Not many hours with daylight here >:(
Title: Re: Daylight Saving Time Arrives Sunday in the States
Post by: DR M on March 25, 2018, 07:32:40 AM
Summer time (DST) is in Europe too, from today.

Happy Independence Day for all the Greeks around the world.

Also, happy name day for Maria, Marios, Evangelia, Evangelos, Panayiota, Panayiotis (Panos)  :)
Title: Re: Daylight Saving Time Arrives Sunday in the States
Post by: Corrine on March 25, 2018, 11:33:37 AM
All of Europe is celebrating your Name Day, Panos, by adding an extra hour of evening light.  :)   (Not to mention losing an hour of sleep.)
Title: Re: Daylight Saving Time Arrives Sunday in the States
Post by: DR M on March 25, 2018, 12:05:01 PM
All of Europe is celebrating your Name Day, Panos, by adding an extra hour of evening light.  :)   (Not to mention losing an hour of sleep.)

Yes... Today is ... Saint Panos' day, so Europeans decided to extend the light hours! zzzzz.......  ;D

Have you got used to the DST in USA??



Title: Re: Daylight Saving Time Arrives Sunday in the States
Post by: Corrine on March 25, 2018, 01:09:11 PM
Yes and really appreciating the extra daylight in the evening when I take the dog out.  :)
Title: Re: Daylight Saving Time Arrives Sunday in the States
Post by: plodr on March 25, 2018, 01:41:46 PM
I am not a morning person and I usually mind going to DST. This year, for some strange reason, I did not mind it and seem to be getting up around the same time as I did before the switch. (anytime between 8:15 and 9:30)

I like more light in the evening. I never complain about that.
Title: Re: Daylight Saving Time Arrives Sunday in the States
Post by: DR M on August 06, 2018, 05:28:39 PM
Following a number of requests from citizens, from the European Parliament, and from certain EU Member States, the Commission has decided to investigate the functioning of the current EU summertime arrangements and to assess whether or not they should be changed.

https://ec.europa.eu/eusurvey/runner/2018-summertime-arrangements
Title: Re: Daylight Saving Time Arrives Sunday in the States
Post by: Corrine on August 07, 2018, 12:51:54 AM
Well, I know you're not in favor of DST, Panos.  It is only early August, not all that long past the Summer Soltice, and I'm already not thrilled with the daylight hours being shorter.   
Title: Re: Daylight Saving Time Arrives Sunday in the States
Post by: Corrine on August 31, 2018, 06:49:28 PM
You may get your wish, Panos.  Europe ticks closer to ending daylight saving time (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/europe-ticks-closer-to-ending-daylight-saving-time/ar-BBMGU2d?OCID=ansmsnnews11):

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European Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker said Friday that he will bring forward proposals to scrap daylight saving time across the 28-nation European Union.

It follows a six-week on scrapping the practice. Preliminary results from the survey 84 percent of 4.6 million respondents want to end biannual clock changes.

“The debate about summer time, winter time has been going on for a while,” Juncker said in an interview with NBC News’ .

"Millions have answered and are of the opinion that the summer time should count at all times, that is how it will happen.”
Title: Re: Daylight Saving Time Arrives Sunday in the States
Post by: DR M on August 31, 2018, 08:25:13 PM
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You may get your wish, Panos.

It was not my wish, I only said that it would be rather difficult for younger students preparing in the dark.

Besides, I voted in favor of the DST.  :)
Title: Re: Daylight Saving Time Arrives Sunday in the States
Post by: plodr on August 31, 2018, 09:09:24 PM
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"Millions have answered and are of the opinion that the summer time should count at all times, that is how it will happen.”
So it actually sounds like standard time will be scrapped.

Actually in the US, we are on DST for more months than we are on standard time.
Sunday March 11 2018 through Sunday November 4 2018 which is 34 weeks out of 52 weeks.
Perhaps we should skip falling back to standard time?
Title: Re: Daylight Saving Time Arrives Sunday in the States
Post by: DR M on September 02, 2018, 05:42:23 PM
There is no decision yet. 80% does not want the time change. The EE will decide after analyze the results. It seems that the majority of Europeans prefers the DST, but nothing is confirmed yet.

Greek link, but the basic idea is the above I wrote: Τέλος στην αλλαγή της ώρας προανήγγειλε ο Γιούνκερ (https://www.huffingtonpost.gr/entry/telos-sten-allaye-tes-oras-proaneyyeile-o-yioenker_gr_5b88f6e8e4b0cf7b003426ec?nhj&utm_source=Contra&utm_medium=BestofNetwork_article&utm_campaign=24MediaWidget&utm_term=Pos2)
Title: Re: Daylight Saving Time Arrives Sunday in the States
Post by: DR M on October 25, 2018, 11:58:05 AM
Back to the Winter's Time in Europe. At 28 of October, at 4:00 o' clock in the morning, clocks will show 3:00 a.m. Countries have to decide which time they will keep, till 29th of April. It's up to each country.
Title: Re: Daylight Saving Time Arrives Sunday in the States
Post by: plodr on October 25, 2018, 01:14:06 PM
We go back to Standard Time a week later than you on Nov. 5th at 2am.

I'm not sure why they still call it standard time because it is only standard for a few months. Daylight Savings Time will start again on March 10 2019.

So standard time is 4 months and a week.
Title: Re: Daylight Saving Time Arrives Sunday in the States
Post by: DR M on October 25, 2018, 01:19:20 PM
We go back to Standard Time a week later than you on Nov. 5th at 2am.

I'm not sure why they still call it standard time because it is only standard for a few months. Daylight Savings Time will start again on March 10 2019.

So standard time is 4 months and a week.

"Our" DST starts on March 25. If we keep it, it will be the last time we change the clocks. If we prefer the Winter's/Standard time, we will have to do this once more, in October (28) of 2019. And that's it. No other clock change anymore.
Title: Re: Daylight Saving Time Arrives Sunday in the States
Post by: Pierre75 on October 26, 2018, 02:11:30 AM
Just to update on Australia. We have daylight savings for 6 months of the year but it commences depending in which state you live. Some states do not have it depending on their longitude.

In short when daylight savings is not in force we have 3 time zones but when daylight savings start we have 5 time zones. If you are confused so are the Aussies.  :D :D
Title: Re: Daylight Saving Time Arrives Sunday in the States
Post by: plodr on October 26, 2018, 12:41:50 PM
I know, when I look up my friends in Adelaide versus my friends in Sydney, Adelaide isn't always hours ahead sometimes it is hours and 1/2 hours.
Right now Sydney is 15 hours ahead but Adelaide is 14 1/2 hours ahead.
Title: Re: Daylight Saving Time Arrives Sunday in the States
Post by: Paddy on October 28, 2018, 10:33:44 AM
Ten timely facts about the changing clocks
Tick tock, it’s time to change the clocks! The clocks go back to Greenwich Mean Time (GMT) on the last Sunday in October, meaning we all get the hour back that we lost on the last Sunday in March.
But why do the clocks change twice a year? Whose idea was British Summer Time (BST)? And do other countries do it too?


1. We change our clocks for the summer to make better use of daylight
The clue is in the name. The purpose of Daylight Saving Time (or British Summer Time to the Brits) is to make better use of our daylight hours. During the northern hemisphere summer, when the sun shows its face for longer, we change the clocks so as to move an hour of light from the morning to the evening – when more of us are likely to be up, out and about. There’s little point in it being sunny when we’re all asleep! Of course, early risers like bakers, baristas and babies may disagree.


2. Daylight saving was first proposed by Benjamin Franklin
Benjamin Franklin, the founding father and inventor, first proposed daylight saving in 1784 in a not-too-catchily-titled essay called ‘An Economical Project for Diminishing the Cost of Light.’ It was seen as a cunning way to save on candles. In Britain, it was William Willett who first ran with the idea in his 1907 pamphlet called ‘The Waste of Daylight’. (Now, that’s a better title.) It is said that the concept dawned on him when he was out riding his horse early one summer morning and noticed how many curtains were closed. Sadly, he never saw his idea come to fruition.


3. Germany was the first country to adopt daylight saving
Germany adopted Daylight Saving Time in 1916 with the UK following suit within a few weeks. Both countries were knee-deep in the First World War, and needed to make as much use of daylight as possible in order to conserve coal. Parliament formalised this with The Summer Time Act of 1916, which stated that from Spring through to Autumn the legal time should be one hour ahead of Greenwich Mean Time.



4. During WWII we put the clocks forward by two hours
During the Second World War, British Double Summer Time was introduced. In the summer we put our clocks forward by a whole two hours as a means of maximising productivity; and in the winter the clocks remained one hour in advance of GMT for the same reason.


5. For three years from 1968 we got rid of BST completely
We turned our backs on British Summer Time in 1968 – although not the acronym – and adopted British Standard Time. In 1971, however, we reverted back to BST. Sorry, we mean British Summer Time. Confused?


6. BST always begins on the last Sunday in March and ends on the last Sunday in October
It’s always 1am on the last Sunday in March that clocks skip forward by an hour (which means the date always changes). And we’re not the only ones that go full stead ahead with summer time on this Sunday. The EU states that all member countries should adjust their clocks on the same day. With one exception - Iceland. The clocks then go back an hour on the last Sunday in October at 2am.


7. Only three European countries keep their clocks constant all year
Iceland is exempt from the EU’s DST directive. It’s so far north that it has much more extreme variations in daylight and darkness throughout the year than us, and the impact of changing the clock by an hour would be negligible. Belarus and Russia also choose to remain on the same time all year round.


8. Around 70 countries worldwide adopt daylight saving
Most countries that deploy daylight saving measures are in Europe and North America. For countries on the equator, where daylight hours stay roughly the same throughout the year, daylight saving offers no real benefit.


9. Two American states opt out of Daylight Saving Time
In the U.S., daylight saving is used everywhere apart from Arizona and Hawaii – who get plenty of daylight and sunshine all year round. Rebels!


10. One monarch had his own time zone
Talking of rebels… In 1901, King Edward VII decided to invent his own time zone at the royal estate of Sandringham in Norfolk. The King, an avid fan of hunting, ordered all clocks on the estate to be set to ‘Sandringham Time’ – half an hour ahead of GMT – in order to squeeze in an extra 30 minutes of his favourite pastime each day.


Paddy... ;D
Title: Re: Daylight Saving Time Arrives Sunday in the States
Post by: Corrine on October 28, 2018, 08:25:17 PM
From Time zone update for the Kingdom of Morocco – Microsoft Daylight Saving Time & Time Zone Blog (https://blogs.technet.microsoft.com/dst2007/2018/10/26/time-zone-update-for-the-kingdom-of-morocco/):
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Microsoft is aware of the upcoming time zone change for the Kingdom of Morocco. Morocco will remain permanently on UTC+01:00, instead of the previous plan of returning to UTC+00:00 on October 28, 2018.

Our official policy statement can be found at http://microsoft.com/time.

Though we plan to release a data update, there is insufficient lead time before this change goes into effect. Therefore, we are offering the following interim guidance as a temporary workaround until such an update can be properly created, tested, distributed, and installed.


Interim Guidance:

Until an update is made available, we recommend our customers temporarily switch to time zone “(UTC+01:00) West central Africa” as soon as possible. Selecting this time zone will reflect the correct current local time, but will not be correct for past events that occurred when Morocco was using UTC+00:00.  Therefore, we recommend returning to “(UTC+01:00) Casablanca” after the aforementioned update is applied.
Title: Re: Daylight Saving Time Arrives Sunday in the States
Post by: Corrine on November 03, 2018, 09:10:31 PM
I've mentioned m3Sweatt before in this thread on Daylight Saving Time.  Since we turn our clocks back here tonight, I thought it was appropriate that m3Sweatt posted his thoughts about DST.  Since it is a very long collection of Tweets, I used "Spooler" to put the thread together.  If you're interested in reading it, click the link below and allow a few seconds for the thread to be collected in a "blog-type" collection:
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A thread by M3 Sweatt

Great question, raised again in the @seattletimes article by @frankkummer on the point of Daylight Saving Time. It’s the economics and politics

Click here --> https://tinysubversions.com/spooler/?url=https://twitter.com/m3sweatt/status/1058828572285001728

Edit Note:  mm3Sweatt saw my Tweet using the Spooler and went ahead and posted it as a blog post here:  Your questions: It’s time to “Fall Back” again in North America. What’s the point of DST? – Satisfy Me (https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/mthree/2018/11/04/your-questions-its-time-to-fall-back-again-in-north-america-whats-the-point-of-dst/)
Title: Re: Daylight Saving Time Arrives Sunday in the States
Post by: DR M on February 24, 2019, 08:21:09 AM
A month from today.  :)

(https://www.landzdown.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F3.bp.blogspot.com%2F-VzYmWeKpjX4%2FTbAHNYgXZGI%2FAAAAAAAAAK0%2FcfPcgdAwKJM%2Fs1600%2Fsakura21.jpg&hash=da2cce7d07ef4f88d54bcc07396b59c57d14c78e)
Title: Re: Daylight Saving Time Arrives Sunday in the States
Post by: Corrine on February 24, 2019, 11:25:33 AM
I'm ready!
Title: Re: Daylight Saving Time Arrives Sunday in the States
Post by: plodr on February 24, 2019, 04:29:54 PM
For the US is starts on March 10, 2019 so 2 weeks.

This is the easier change. I have candles at every window and need to reset 14 timers as well as all the clocks.
Title: Re: Daylight Saving Time Arrives Sunday in the States
Post by: DR M on March 15, 2019, 06:49:48 PM
DST is running now in US.  You didn't mention it.  :)

Two more weeks for Europe (31.3. and not 24.3. as I thought). But the forum's clock shows the local time one hour ahead from now.
Title: Re: Daylight Saving Time Arrives Sunday in the States
Post by: Corrine on March 15, 2019, 08:51:05 PM
I'm still trying to adjust to the time change.  My system is definitely not adapting this to the time change.
Title: Re: Daylight Saving Time Arrives Sunday in the States
Post by: techie on March 16, 2019, 11:58:46 PM
I just live in the wrong time, I always hate the change, maybe i need to move a couple over ;D
Title: Re: Daylight Saving Time Arrives Sunday in the States
Post by: Aaron Hulett on March 18, 2019, 02:43:12 AM
Pleeeeeeeeeeeease can we leave it forward and be done...
Title: Re: Daylight Saving Time Arrives Sunday in the States
Post by: Corrine on March 18, 2019, 03:35:58 PM
Yes, yes, yes!  It is way past leaving it behind.
Title: Re: Daylight Saving Time Arrives Sunday in the States
Post by: Corrine on March 06, 2020, 01:52:36 PM
It is that time to spring ahead again.  Daylight Saving Time arrives in the U.S. Sunday, March 8, 2020, 2:00:00 am clocks are turned forward 1 hour.

When will it end?
Title: Re: Daylight Saving Time Arrives Sunday in the States
Post by: DR M on March 06, 2020, 06:10:11 PM
Three weeks yet for Europe.

Title: Re: Daylight Saving Time Arrives Sunday in the States
Post by: Pierre75 on March 07, 2020, 03:39:28 AM
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When will it end?

https://www.timeanddate.com/time/change/usa?year=2020

Title: Re: Daylight Saving Time Arrives Sunday in the States
Post by: pastywhitegurl on March 10, 2020, 03:35:02 AM
Another really good reason to move to Arizona.

I hear congress is considering ditching the seasonal change. Not sure if the bill keeps standard time or just makes it daylight savings forever.
Title: Re: Daylight Saving Time Arrives Sunday in the States
Post by: Pete! on March 10, 2020, 01:42:05 PM
My grandfather always kept his watch set to standard time.
Of he had to show up "early" to accommodate others, he would do so.

Most aircraft operators observe UTC, it's within about 1 second of mean solar time at 0° longitude, and never observes Daylight Saving Time. It keep things from getting confused when lives may depend on good timing.
Title: Re: Daylight Saving Time Arrives Sunday in the States
Post by: Corrine on March 28, 2020, 06:18:40 PM
It is Europe's turn this weekend.
Title: Re: Daylight Saving Time Arrives Sunday in the States
Post by: xrobwx71 on April 21, 2020, 12:33:38 PM
Time is relative to the observer. Then you add velocity, gravity and distance.. Oh my.   :) ;)