Author Topic: Enigma Software Suing Bleeping Computer Over Review!  (Read 13619 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Online Corrine

  • The Mystical Rose
  • Administrator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 20213
  • "Stronger than the past, united in our goal."
    • View Profile
    • Security Garden
Enigma Software Suing Bleeping Computer Over Review!
« on: February 01, 2016, 01:36:40 PM »
That's right, Enigma didn't like a review of their SpyHunter software and is suing Bleeping Computer!

See Help BleepingComputer Defend Freedom of Speech and spyhunter vs malwarebytes vs iobit - Anti-Virus, Anti-Malware, and Privacy Software.


Take a walk through the "Security Garden" -- Where Everything is Coming up Roses!

Remember - A day without laughter is a day wasted.
May the wind sing to you and the sun rise in your heart.

Offline ky331

  • LzD Friends
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 665
    • View Profile
Re: Enigma Software Suing Bleeping Computer Over Review!
« Reply #1 on: February 01, 2016, 02:31:22 PM »
Unless I'm looking in the wrong place, it appears to me that the "offending" review is NOT an "official" review of SpywareHunter, but rather, a discussion thread in Bleeping Computer's USER FORUM.

A user inquired about SpywareHunter, having had a "problem" with it [as well as with two other products].

Another FORUM MEMBER replied, asserting that "spyhunter is no longer recommended by BC".

Then quietman7, a Global Moderator of that forum, replied with a long, carefully-thought-out and fully-documented reply, offering an OPINION.   Presumably, THIS is the post that is under legal attack.

Unless Enigma is asserting that quietman7, by virtue of his status as a Forum "Global Moderator", is necessarily offering an OFFICIAL statement on behalf of BC, it can be alternatively argued that he is simply offering his opinion/belief as an individual forum member --- which he is certainly entitled to do.   Either way, a legal attack seems like a stretch.   (That's not to say it'll be quashed... the legal system often works in very mysterious ways.)


Online Corrine

  • The Mystical Rose
  • Administrator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 20213
  • "Stronger than the past, united in our goal."
    • View Profile
    • Security Garden
Re: Enigma Software Suing Bleeping Computer Over Review!
« Reply #2 on: February 01, 2016, 04:08:35 PM »
You nailed it on the head.  Those were my thoughts as well.


Take a walk through the "Security Garden" -- Where Everything is Coming up Roses!

Remember - A day without laughter is a day wasted.
May the wind sing to you and the sun rise in your heart.

Offline Pete!

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 5259
    • View Profile
Re: Enigma Software Suing Bleeping Computer Over Review!
« Reply #3 on: February 01, 2016, 05:27:35 PM »
Wikipedia, (wisely?) doesn't say much about SpyHunter.....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spy_Hunter_%28disambiguation%29
Quote
SpyHunter 4, a computer program that's advertised as a free anti virus program at some internet sites and as a potential malware at other sites.

But, as an alumni of the time Juno tried to censor/shutter the DunningFools, MindGamezz, and similar message boards, with the threat of legal action ... this attempt to restrict the ability of internet forum members from expressing an opinion, is reason enough for me to avoid Enigma products, regardless of how good or bad they may be.

Offline plodr

  • LzD Friends
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1307
    • View Profile
Re: Enigma Software Suing Bleeping Computer Over Review!
« Reply #4 on: February 01, 2016, 07:04:15 PM »
http://anti-spyware-review.toptenreviews.com/spyhunter-review.html
Quote
CONS / The publisher, Enigma Software, has not submitted SpyHunter for testing at AV-Test.
Why would a good program not want its offering to be tested by an independent group?

Here's a review from 2010
http://www.brighthub.com/computing/smb-security/articles/76756.aspx
Quote
Conclusion

At $40 for 1 year subscription of SpyHunter spyware detection tool, the program is overpriced especially if the detection and protection is very poor. Shop for better anti-malware program or better yet, use the free anti-malware programs such as SUPERAntiSpyware, Malwarebytes Anti-Malware, EmsiSoft Anti-Malware, Spybot-S&D and Ad-Aware.

Online satrow

  • LzD Friends
  • Full Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 246
    • View Profile
Re: Enigma Software Suing Bleeping Computer Over Review!
« Reply #5 on: February 01, 2016, 07:41:54 PM »
Here's a quick review I did back in '14, here's a follow up to that (I had a BSOD!).

A more recent one.

Crapware. Period.

Online Corrine

  • The Mystical Rose
  • Administrator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 20213
  • "Stronger than the past, united in our goal."
    • View Profile
    • Security Garden
Re: Enigma Software Suing Bleeping Computer Over Review!
« Reply #6 on: February 03, 2016, 04:24:18 PM »
From 2-spware news: BleepingComputer is sued by Enigma Software for false claims
Quote
If you have been looking for an anti-spyware and ended up with Malwarebytes, it might be that you fell a victim to BleepingComputer and misleading information that is provided on this site.

Actually, I consider Malwarebytes an anti-malware program and would suggest there is quite a difference between anti-spyware and anti-malware software.  That said, I'm at a loss to ascertain what information on BC is misleading.

Quote
When Enigma Software presented SpyHunter, people from BC became a bit worried. The program was from the same category as Malwarebytes anti-malware, so, after discovering that SpyHunter’s popularity is growing, they started using various techniques for making users think that it is a ‘rogue’ product.

Unbelievable! 

Why would BC volunteers be worried about another vendor's software program?  As to being in the same category, while that may be true and not something I am going to debate, even though ESG refers to their program as anti-spyware, the primary difference is that Malwarebytes provides a free version of the software that works the same as the licensed version in removing malware.  SpyHunter, on the other hand, provides a free scan but the program must be purchased in order to remove what it finds.  When I'm helping someone remove malware from their computer, I'm not going to ask the person to use a program that only scans but does no removal.  Rather, I'll ask the person to use the free for personal use program that will do both.

I am certainly not in a position to speak for Grinler or any of the volunteers at Bleeping Computer.  However, I find it particularly strange that ESG claims insight into the minds of the BC staff.  Nothing seems to have changed since the 2007 discussion which Suzi mentions in her post at Spyware Warrior - BleepingComputer sued by Enigma Software for review of app.  As the community discussion Suzi references illustrates, there is a long history of concerns regarding ESG practices that is most certainly not exclusive to BC volunteers.  In that 2007 thread, Enigma folks were invited to discuss the issues that the security community (meaning owners and members of help forums, blogs, websites) had with the practices of their affiliates.  As I understand it, these "affiliates" were (are) officially attached or connected as a subsidiary group/person to ESG, not an "affiliate program" which provides a small commission when a purchase is made from the link.  It seems to me that ESG still doesn't understand the difference between the two.  (Information about the Malwarebytes affiliate program is available here.)

It certainly seems that the editorial at Decrypted Tech, BleepingComputer hit with SLAPP suit from Enigma Software over comparrion thread., got it right:

Quote
There is nothing in the post, or thread that is inflammatory, libelous or not documented from multiple sources. Enigma software simple wants to remove the information from a well-known and widely visited website so that they can continue to sell their product that clearly has deficiencies.


Take a walk through the "Security Garden" -- Where Everything is Coming up Roses!

Remember - A day without laughter is a day wasted.
May the wind sing to you and the sun rise in your heart.

Online Corrine

  • The Mystical Rose
  • Administrator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 20213
  • "Stronger than the past, united in our goal."
    • View Profile
    • Security Garden
Re: Enigma Software Suing Bleeping Computer Over Review!
« Reply #7 on: February 03, 2016, 04:36:02 PM »
BleepingComputer Defends Freedom of Speech | Malwarebytes Unpacked
Quote
Basically, if Enigma can force BC to take down a negative review, that means that they can go after any site asking for the same thing and so could anybody else, which basically overrides the freedom of speech and expression we all currently enjoy online.

Now our CEO, Marcin Kleczynski, has decided to lend a hand and donated $5,000 to their cause because he truly believes in the basic rights of every human to be able to speak their mind and present facts or opinions online without fear of being sued or censored for it.


Take a walk through the "Security Garden" -- Where Everything is Coming up Roses!

Remember - A day without laughter is a day wasted.
May the wind sing to you and the sun rise in your heart.

Offline techie

  • LzD Friends
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 613
    • View Profile
Re: Enigma Software Suing Bleeping Computer Over Review!
« Reply #8 on: February 03, 2016, 07:09:44 PM »
Freedom of speech is being  directly attacked here.

Bleeping computer is no more or less than any other forum on the internet. Members have the the right to express there opinions (freedom of speech). Not everyone will always agree, but each member has the right to express there opinion, on the topic.

Bleeping computer does not only recommend one single software, but many various types of software are recommended for different uses. These software recommendations have been used and tested by millions, last i checked it isn't illegal to recommend a product. 

Do I like Pepsi or do I like Coke better? It's probably which ever one is on sale for the best price today, that would be the one I most like today.

Would I use a paid for or free program? I will use the one that works for my purpose. Do you buy a car before you test drive it? I normally buy a program I intend on keeping, once it has proven it can do the job.

I have yet to find any security product that is 100% effective. If they say that it is that's false advertisement. I have found that a number of various software's used in combination works, but not a single product.

As for Enigma, open your eyes, you destroyed your own reputation, no one did it but yourself.

https://www.mywot.com/en/scorecard/enigmasoftware.com



 

Offline techie

  • LzD Friends
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 613
    • View Profile
Re: Enigma Software Suing Bleeping Computer Over Review!
« Reply #9 on: February 03, 2016, 08:02:18 PM »
As I said they need to open there eyes, you are targeting one group, when many are dissatisfied. The company in previous years destroyed there own reputation, you are attempting to blame it on one or a few when many exist.

http://www.mahalo.com/how-to-uninstall-spyhunter-and-is-it-malware/

Offline winchester73

  • Half a bubble off plumb
  • Administrator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 7332
  • Liverpool FC - YNWA
    • View Profile
Re: Enigma Software Suing Bleeping Computer Over Review!
« Reply #10 on: February 03, 2016, 08:21:53 PM »
Quote
Well maybe Enigma should do a little more Googling as there are indeed numerous negative reviews that are not simply regurgitated versions of BleepingComputer’s. Those results, however, are not top search result hits as is Bleeping’s.

Quote
Enigma will likely contact me to add a statement, but you can read all their statements in their lawsuit (pdf) if you are so inclined. I’ll warn you before you send it, I’m ticked and this is America where I’m entitled to my opinion; I’ve never tried SpyHunter as I personally like Malwarebytes … and now after attacking free speech, I never will try SpyHunter.

http://www.networkworld.com/article/3029641/security/bleepingcomputer-under-free-speech-attack-as-spyhunter-makers-sue-over-bad-review.html
Speak softly, but carry a big Winchester ... Winchester Arms Collectors Association member

Online Corrine

  • The Mystical Rose
  • Administrator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 20213
  • "Stronger than the past, united in our goal."
    • View Profile
    • Security Garden
Re: Enigma Software Suing Bleeping Computer Over Review!
« Reply #11 on: February 05, 2016, 08:53:49 PM »
Nicely written article at TechDirt illustrating how ESG rephrased the wording in the forum post reply as well as including supposed quotes that are not even in the the thread.  Enigma Software Decides The Best Way To Deal With A Negative Review Is To Sue The Reviewer


Take a walk through the "Security Garden" -- Where Everything is Coming up Roses!

Remember - A day without laughter is a day wasted.
May the wind sing to you and the sun rise in your heart.

Online Corrine

  • The Mystical Rose
  • Administrator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 20213
  • "Stronger than the past, united in our goal."
    • View Profile
    • Security Garden
Re: Enigma Software Suing Bleeping Computer Over Review!
« Reply #12 on: February 09, 2016, 11:42:38 PM »


Take a walk through the "Security Garden" -- Where Everything is Coming up Roses!

Remember - A day without laughter is a day wasted.
May the wind sing to you and the sun rise in your heart.

Online Corrine

  • The Mystical Rose
  • Administrator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 20213
  • "Stronger than the past, united in our goal."
    • View Profile
    • Security Garden
Re: Enigma Software Suing Bleeping Computer Over Review!
« Reply #13 on: February 12, 2016, 06:38:13 PM »
Quote
In the past three days, four forum accounts were created that posted links to external virus removal guides that pushed SpyHunter. We feel that this is SpyHunter affiliate spam because on each each day, the two accounts were created within minutes of each other and their only posts were to push people to the same affiliate sites. Furthermore, at least three out of four of them were from the same location, Bangladesh, and used proxies and VPNs.

In my opinion this type of marketing is one of the concerns that people have regarding Enigma Software and their SpyHunter product.

What is even more concerning, though, is that two of the links lead back to TeslaCrypt removal guides that would be a big problem if an infected user followed the instructions.

Full story at the source:  Affiliate Spam is not only Annoying but can offer Costly Advice


Take a walk through the "Security Garden" -- Where Everything is Coming up Roses!

Remember - A day without laughter is a day wasted.
May the wind sing to you and the sun rise in your heart.

Offline plodr

  • LzD Friends
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1307
    • View Profile
Re: Enigma Software Suing Bleeping Computer Over Review!
« Reply #14 on: February 12, 2016, 08:07:26 PM »
I'm always suspicious of any first time poster that posts some link to a program. I sometimes look (I always see where the link points and google the site or program) and report the post if I think something might be suspicious.

It seems to me there is a way to disable any new posters from putting live links in posts until a certain number of useful posts are published. Having 10 posts with a dead link to the same program wouldn't count as useful and 9 of those posts would be removed with the post count going back to 1 each time.