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Net neutrality is dead
« on: December 14, 2017, 09:18:20 PM »
Not really much else too say except we aren't winners here.

https://www.engadget.com/2017/12/14/net-neutrality-what-now/


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Re: Net neutrality is dead
« Reply #2 on: December 15, 2017, 02:27:46 AM »
It is very important that the US government is not allowed to regulate the Net. No regulation needed. Obama, George Soros, and the NWO globalists want to censor the Net. Why did Obama push to have ICANN given away to the private sector? Think about it. It's all part of the globalist plan to kill the 1st Amendment and shut down conservative discourse. The 1st Amendment is SUPER important. That is, unless you hate the US Constitution and want to give away the Net to the UN, Google, FB, and other globalist Twits.

My opinion? Spit out everything that George Soros and the Silicon-Valley NWO leftists are shoving down your throat. If you don't, you will soon be suffering the regulations and thought police that have now destroyed Europe and the UK. Think clearly! The Net should never be regulated by the FCC, nor given away for free to the hands of the NWO globalists. Keep it free and open!

https://www.infowars.com/fcc-to-free-internet-from-obamas-net-neutrality-rules/

"On October 1, 2016 ICANN ended its contract with the United States Department of Commerce National Telecommunications and Information Administration (NTIA) and entered the private sector."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ICANN

Ted Cruz fighting hard in Congress to not give away ICANN, which is aimed at killing free speech. Listen closely! Read the comments. Be wise.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGd2vIpWV5Y

Thank God that the Soros/Obama/Globalist fake net neutrality was taken down!

Again, just my opinion. Your opinion might differ. Have a nice day.





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Re: Net neutrality is dead
« Reply #3 on: December 15, 2017, 12:21:40 PM »
Actually no country should be allowed to control the Internet.


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Re: Net neutrality is dead
« Reply #4 on: December 15, 2017, 01:22:05 PM »
Actually no country should be allowed to control the Internet.

I understand what you're saying, yet in countries that are covered by the 1st Amendment of the US Constitution (mmmmm, I can think of one), 'freedom of speech' and 'say whatever you wish' are still protected. As Cruz stated, if you give away US control of ICANN, then the Net -- and freedom of speech -- will be governed by a group of faceless UN (multi-country, China included) bureaucrats. No need to imagine where THAT pathway leads. Just look at the EU (Brexit) today.

ARPANET
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARPANET

Why give it away? No need to regulate (hate-speech councils, etc.), yet also no need to give away. For example, and not that long ago, I remember when Greece was Greece, and France was France. I could go on and on. ;)
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Re: Net neutrality is dead
« Reply #5 on: December 15, 2017, 01:32:39 PM »
Yesterday was a sad day indeed for a truly free open internet. I have been banging away for at least 16 years for Net Neutrality, the importance of it, etc. , as Corrine and others from the old Freedomlist forum know, and saying that toll roads and tiers is not the way to go. But now or soon, it will be, with higher prices and less service, etc.  >:( :o ::) :-[ :'(

Now, alas, the chickens have come home to roost--and not in favor of internet consumers, small businesses, etc. Hopefully, next November, there will be a new Congress and eventually a new US president, who will have the FCC board overhauled and reinstate the all important Net Neutrality

We will fight against the obscene FCC decision yesterday, through the courts and elsewhere to turn around their horrible decision to help out the Telecommunication companies capitalistic greed. >:(


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Re: Net neutrality is dead
« Reply #6 on: December 15, 2017, 01:55:31 PM »
JDBush61,
You nailed it!!!
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Re: Net neutrality is dead
« Reply #7 on: December 15, 2017, 02:54:44 PM »
Now, what is this all about in few words? :o
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Re: Net neutrality is dead
« Reply #8 on: December 15, 2017, 03:01:39 PM »
Now, what is this all about in few words? :o

A few words? OK. Here's a few more words.  ;)

"Net neutrality". Such an interesting term. Who thought that one up? Well, let's think about it.

For anyone who has any question about what 'Net neutrality' (NN) is actually about, just realize that George Soros spent millions of dollars to promote NN, and fought 'tooth and nail' to keep NN rules. Who is George Soros? Why did he do that? Of course, there will be litigation now, because billionaire Soros will not give up. If Soros wants NN so badly, then you can rest assured that it has nothing to do with Internet openness or fairness.

The trick to NN was -- and it was very deceptively named -- the only companies that were bound by NN rules were the Internet service providers (ISPs), but what is known as the "edge providers", i.e., the content providers (all the giants, i.e., Google, Yahoo, Twitter, FB, Netflix, etc.), the BIG economic competitors behind the curtain, were NOT bound by the NN rules. The key to NN was that it put the Internet under Title 2 of the Communications Act, and so you were then dealing with the ISPs as if they were a 1930s telephone company and must provide the same telephone service to everyone.  However, the BIG "content providers" were exempt from the rules, by intention, thus allowing Google, YT, FB, Twitter, etc., to 'censor at will'! ... and there could be no rule to prevent them from censoring. Think hard! Remember 'Freedom of Speech'???

Now, what Soros knew was that NN would allow them to censor out conservative and libertarian content. They would censor out Alex Jones (Infowars), and others, and you couldn't do anything about it -- because they were exempt from the NN rules. They did not have to be fair. They could censor to their heart's delight. This also restricted much of the investment ($$$) that wanted to come into the Internet field. Now we know that those Obama/Soros rules to restrict -- in a leftist totalitarian fashion -- are gone! It's a good thing. Now you'll start to see new content 'coming in', new services to buy on the Net, just like you can buy different telephone services. A much more 'market driven' force, which is what the Net was before Soros/Obama/the big edge providers tried to 'control' the Net; i.e, to 'censor the Net' with NN rules.

Please also remember, if you allow these Washington DC bureaucracies to 'control' the Net, then you would have seen the competing interests fighting for their desires in the halls of DC, instead of creating through innovation.  Market driven 'innovation' comes with 'freedom', and you will not see innovation if the DC bureaucracies are allowed to put a noose around the Net. It's much better -- an ideal -- to allow companies to compete in the marketplace to serve the customers better. That is where innovation will come from. It will not come from DC doling out 'favors' to the people that it likes ($$$). NN was all money driven! Just ask Soros and the BIG content providers if they love money. I already know the answer. The Soros connected organizations marketed NN so effectively that the new-age, generation Y 'millennials' now think that it will be the end of the Internet. The left is doing a very good job of leading around the millennials. The left controls the universities, and pretend that they are all for justice and freedom and social justice, yet they will throw you into a thought-control gulag in 20 seconds if you don't agree with them. The 'right' does the same with The Patriot Act. You have to watch both sides all the time, if you want to be smart.

Also, so many of the comments on NN aimed at the FCC were posted by Soros-contingents-funded bots. Google, Twitter, FB put millions of dollars into this campaign. The whole idea of the NN rules was an attempt by the left to control the Internet, that's why Soros funded it so heavily.

By eliminating the NN rules, the Internet will no longer be covered by the 'common carrier' rules of Title 2. Now it will be covered by the Federal Trade Commission (FTC). The FTC has much stronger rules to protect "privacy", and to protect "1st Amendment Rights".

Thus, please ask yourself if you like the 1st Amendment. Why did the Founding Fathers make "freedom of speech" the 1st Amendment? Think about it. Freedom is good.
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Re: Net neutrality is dead
« Reply #9 on: December 15, 2017, 03:36:31 PM »
Sounds like a pretty complicated case to me!
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Re: Net neutrality is dead
« Reply #10 on: December 15, 2017, 05:01:27 PM »
Sounds like this could easily become a "political" topic.

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Re: Net neutrality is dead
« Reply #11 on: December 15, 2017, 05:52:35 PM »
You're right, Pete.  If the issue of Net Neutrality and the FCC vote wasn't getting world-wide attention as well as having a world-wide impact (see Net neutrality: What does U.S. vote mean for the world? - Dec. 15, 2017), we would have closed the discussion.  On that note:  So the discussion (pros/cons, etc) can continue in peace, LzD members are requested to stick to facts and not get into specific discussions about political parties/people.

Wikipedia not only defines Net Neutrality but also provides information on laws in regions from around the world.  See the full article for more information.  Following is Wikipedia's definition of Net Neutrality:

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Net neutrality is the principle that Internet service providers must treat all data on the Internet the same, and not discriminate or charge differently by user, content, website, platform, application, type of attached equipment, or method of communication.[4] For instance, under these principles, internet service providers are unable to intentionally block, slow down or charge money for specific websites and online content.

For additional reading, see State attorneys general line up to sue FCC over net neutrality repeal | Ars Technica.

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Re: Net neutrality is dead
« Reply #12 on: December 15, 2017, 07:00:53 PM »
On that note:  So the discussion (pros/cons, etc) can continue in peace, LzD members are requested to stick to facts and not get into specific discussions about political parties/people.

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