My computer is running with Windows 10. Opinions.

DR M · November 18, 2015, 03:06:19 PM

Hi, LzD Forum! :)

My computer is running with Windows 10 since Sunday and I'm wondering about the huge discussion for the new operating system. Ok, it's not something ... WOW, but I can't see the negative things I've read about. A few changes in the Settings panel, and everything seems to be OK. Of course, I can't say that I worked a lot on it, but this is my first opinion. Anyone who updated too??

(I have an ipod, and the iOS updates are often. But nobody complains. The operating system gets updated, there are a few changes every time, and that's it. Just to compare the reactions and criticism ).

Basil · November 18, 2015, 04:17:16 PM

Hi Pano, ;)
I, too, have W10 on my PC. I can not see what the fuss/criticism is all about! It works absolutely fine and I have no problems with it.
A few days ago I updated to V1511,10586 without any difficulties and this runs fine too.
I have been using a PC since XP came out and every version that has come out since then, has been criticized by people. Some versions more than others! I can not understand why!
I personally like W10. It has many functions and I know I am very unlikely to use many of them.

Best regards
Basil

Digerati · November 18, 2015, 04:31:08 PM

Quotebut this is my first opinion.

??? I don't see that you have expressed any opinion - one way or the other!

You are right that nobody complains about the cell phones getting updated often. People complain about Windows 10 because they are used to having total control over their PCs. But history has shown when users have total control over when and how updates are applied, they often don't get applied, then the computers get infected, and Microsoft gets the blame.

So MS has decided (and correctly so, IMO) to put security for the many over the desire of a few. Yes, there have been cases where updates caused problems. But when looking at the big picture, those problems have been few and affected a very few people.

Another HUGE problem with W10 is all the falsehoods and FUD being spewed about by members of the irresponsible tech press seeking sensationalized headlines instead of the truth. >:( See Five Windows 10 privacy settings that have been falsely vilified and No, Microsoft is not spying on you with Windows 10.

BTW, when it comes to tracking your physical location using your Internet connected PC, the best Microsoft could do is track you to your ISP's PoP (point of presence). This is the "central office" where your ISP's routers connect all their customers to the Internet "backbone". In my case, that is the next town over, nearly 10 miles away from my house.

With your smart phone, however, your service provider can track you down often to within a few meters of your actual location. In many cases, they can tell what product in what aisle in which store you are standing in front of!!!!

I agree with Basil. I have upgraded all my systems to W10 with no regrets.

DR M · November 18, 2015, 04:49:21 PM

Quote from: Digerati on November 18, 2015, 04:31:08 PM
Quotebut this is my first opinion.
??? I don't see that you have expressed any opinion - one way or the other!

But I said: ''Ok, it's not something ... WOW, but I can't see the negative things I've read about. A few changes in the Settings panel, and everything seems to be OK...''

To be clear, I'm adding that I like Windows 10. It's a refreshed version of previous Windows and, as Basil said, it has many functions I know I am very unlikely to use many of them.

As for the smart phones and the tracking, I agree 100% with you Digerati.

Basil, hi! Long time to see you! :D

Basil · November 19, 2015, 12:05:02 PM

Quote from: Digerati on November 18, 2015, 04:31:08 PM

So MS has decided (and correctly so, IMO) to put security for the many over the desire of a few. Yes, there have been cases where updates caused problems. But when looking at the big picture, those problems have been few and affected a very few people.

I totally agree with this comment Digerati. I personally always update software, as soon as an update becomes available. However, I know too many people that never update! "Why should I bother.....the computer is running fine"!! :( Whatever I say to them, they persist with this "logic"! >:(

I too believe that MS has taken the correct decision to "force" updates. They are, however, in a "No Win" situation......Whatever they do, some people will always find reasons to complain!

Digerati · November 19, 2015, 03:29:51 PM

QuoteThey are, however, in a "No Win" situation......Whatever they do, some people will always find reasons to complain!

True. And sadly, many pretending to be "journalist" will blow it out of proportion just to increase their following. :( Then others will simply pile on without bothering to do any fact checking first. :( >:(

Quote from: DR MBut I said: ''Ok, it's not something ... WOW, but I can't see the negative things I've read about. A few changes in the Settings panel, and everything seems to be OK...''

Yes, you said that, but see that as making a statement of fact, not expressing an opinion. That said, I am glad you clarified and did indeed express your opinion that you like Windows 10.

Pete! · November 19, 2015, 03:56:13 PM

I like the user interface better than Windows 8.x, but not as well as the "classic" Windows interfaces. I'm still using "Classic Shell".

My wife misses the "touch friendly" version of IE. Since I prefer using a mouse, and use FireFox, that's not a factor for me.

I've had broadband for less than a year. If I was still on dial-up, I wouldn't be able to handle the inability to control update downloads. After my "first year discount" goes away, and inflation takes it's toll, at some point I'll have reexamine my budget (retirees don't get raises), and if I must go back to dial-up, there will be a problem.

Some updates have unexpected side effects on some computers. Although I didn't do it myself, I understand why some users prefer to wait a few days before applying an update, and (when appropriate) waiting for the "fixed" update.

I preferred the update choices in Windows 8. A desktop computer on a slow connection is not a cellphone, the comparison is invalid.

It may be a "stretch" to call Windows 10 spyware, BUT:
Microsoft saw fit to rewrite their privacy policy, to include less privacy.
The authors of "Shutup10" found 40-some things that you might want to turn off. There's no assurance that they found everything, nor that some yet undiscovered things might not be able to be turned off.

DR M · November 19, 2015, 06:21:30 PM

Quote from: Pete! on November 19, 2015, 03:56:13 PM
The authors of "Shutup10" found 40-some things that you might want to turn off. There's no assurance that they found everything, nor that some yet undiscovered things might not be able to be turned off.

It would be useful someone to open a thread about Windows 10 settings and privacy.

QuoteThat said, I am glad you clarified and did indeed express your opinion that you like Windows 10.

Yes, I like Windows 10, just in the same degree I liked Windows 7. :)
I don't know if I will like it more or less in the future. At the moment, I didn't realize that I'm running a new OS. So, I'm very happy with it. :)

Corrine · November 19, 2015, 07:13:03 PM

Quote from: DR M on November 19, 2015, 06:21:30 PM
It would be useful someone to open a thread about Windows 10 settings and privacy.

Windows 10 and privacy - Microsoft Windows is included in the small collection in the pinned topic in the Web News forum: A few Win 10 Tips

Digerati · November 20, 2015, 02:47:36 PM

QuoteMy wife misses the "touch friendly" version of IE.

Not sure what you mean here. IE is still in Windows 10, it is just no longer the default. It has been replaced by Edge. I prefer IE too so I have made it my default.

Pete! · November 20, 2015, 03:36:54 PM

Quote from: Digerati on November 20, 2015, 02:47:36 PM
QuoteMy wife misses the "touch friendly" version of IE.
Not sure what you mean here. IE is still in Windows 10, it is just no longer the default. It has been replaced by Edge. I prefer IE too so I have made it my default.

In Windows 8, if you open IE from the desktop, or the toolbar, or a third party menu, you get the normal version that most of us are familiar with.

If you open it by touching the tile on the "Start Screen", you get a touch friendly version with "tile-like" buttons to push. This version is not available in Windows 10.

My wife's first computer came with Windows 8. She never had a reason to develop the mouse skills that seem natural to someone who started with earlier versions of Windows.

NOTE: "Version" may not be the correct technical term. They both had the same Version number.

Digerati · November 20, 2015, 04:24:17 PM

Ah! Well I just learned something then. Since I have never used (or wanted to use) touch screens with my PC, I did not realize the touch screen "version" of IE was different from the mouse and keyboard "version".

Pete! · November 20, 2015, 04:49:50 PM

Quote from: Digerati on November 20, 2015, 04:24:17 PM
Ah! Well I just learned something then. Since I have never used (or wanted to use) touch screens with my PC, I did not realize the touch screen "version" of IE was different from the mouse and keyboard "version".

I wouldn't have known about it either, until I found out why we were having some "interesting" communication problems when I was trying to teach her how to navigate the web. Eventually, I realized that most of what I was trying to show her, wasn't applicable to the browser interface she was using.

Some of the things in "Edge" seem vaguely similar, but the "tile-like" buttons that she liked are missing.