Windows 10 Users --Like It or Not, You're Updated

[winchester73]

Thanks. love your answer...to the point as always.

A few other thoughts  :lol:

Windows 10 will be familiar to Windows 7 users, with some design changes that 7 users will appreciate (eg, only the currently being used app glows in the taskbar, rather than all open ones; no more redundant libraries directories).  There won't be much of a learning curve, and the new modern features will be worth checking out.

For Windows 8.1 users, 10 correct a few 'mistakes' ... it will boot directly to the desktop and stay there, there won't be the confusing tablet layout.  The charms bar is gone, replaced by an action center that will actually be useful.  Cortana looks to be pretty cool.

[Corrine]

Dean, I suggest reading about Windows 10 if you are unsure of what you want to do.  Do note that if you reserve your copy, I am thinking that the bits and bytes for Windows 10 will be downloaded in stages prior to July 29 so that there won't be a massive hit on the servers at one time.  I could be completely wrong but I cannot imagine how it will be handled otherwise.

[Forlorn]

A dial-up user needs to be able to control when and how these updated are applied.

When I was running Windows 8.x on dialup, I downloaded the updates in batches....
It's possible, but you need to be able to control it.

EXACTLY!! We need to be in control of it. But from what I'm hearing we will no longer be in control. Windows 10 will decide when to download and what to download. On patch Tuesday (or whenever it decides it needs updating) it will start churning away for hours and hours in the background trying to download multi-megabytes of updates. Dial-up users don't usually stay connect for very long at any one time, especially if they have only one phone line in the house. If they are forced to let Windows 10 manage the downloading their phones will be tied up and unavailable for other calls for the better part of day... maybe even longer.

[Digerati]

When I look at properties of my computer, it just says version 8.1, 64-bit. It does not say Home or Pro, just 8.1.

FWIW, I have Pro and Windows Properties says "Windows 8.1 Pro".

Speccy says "Windows 8.1 Pro 64-bit"

Belarc, on the other hand, says "Windows 8.1 Professional (x64).

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I think MS is going to have to do something different for dial-up users because you are right. You cannot have your phone tied up for hours on their schedule.

[Pete!]

A dial-up user needs to be able to control when and how these updated are applied.

When I was running Windows 8.x on dialup, I downloaded the updates in batches....
It's possible, but you need to be able to control it.

EXACTLY!! We need to be in control of it. But from what I'm hearing we will no longer be in control. Windows 10 will decide when to download and what to download. On patch Tuesday it will start churning away for hours and hours in the background trying to download multi-megabytes of updates. Dial-up users don't usually stay connect for very long at any one time, especially if we have only one phone line in the house. If we are forced to let Windows 10 manage the downloading our phones will be tied up and unavailable for other calls for the better part of day... maybe even longer.

I can't say if Win 10 will be different, but based on my Win 8.x experience.....
If you get disconnected during a download, or have to use the phone... DO NOT turn off your computer, nor log-out. nor reboot.
Chances are that once you restart the download, it will pick up where it left off.
If you shut down, it will most likely have to start from scratch.

Based upon the kind of calls I've been getting since I got broadband.
Having your phone tied up is not necessarily a bad thing.  :D

[Forlorn]

I think MS is going to have to do something different for dial-up users because you are right. You cannot have your phone tied up for hours on their schedule.

If any of you MVPs have contacts at Microsoft, would you please ask the question. The future of computing as I know it depends on it.  It's about time you earned that enormous salary we pay you.

[Corrine]

In a private venue that both MVPs and Microsoft employees have access to, I've asked if there are any information I can share about an alternative for dialup users (other than not upgrading and then being forced to purchase Windows Pro when getting a new computer).  I am not optimistic though.

[Corrine]

The information I have received is essentially the same as in this article by Gregg Keizer, FAQ: How Microsoft will update Windows 10. The important thing to keep in mind with the "Current Branch" is, as a dial-up customer, you would want to make sure you are in the "Slow Ring".  This would provide you with the opportunity to go to a location with a fast connection to download the updates either via wi-fi or to a USB stick as you do now.

[Pete!]

The information I have received is essentially the same as in this article by Gregg Keizer, FAQ: How Microsoft will update Windows 10. The important thing to keep in mind with the "Current Branch" is, as a dial-up customer, you would want to make sure you are in the "Slow Ring".  This would provide you with the opportunity to go to a location with a fast connection to download the updates either via wi-fi or to a USB stick as you do now.

That might solve his problem, but imagine a shut-in, who can't conveniently go to another location, or someone in a rural area without broadband (or maybe "the library" is 20 miles away).

When I was still using dialup, the only time I went to another location to update was for the Win 8 to 8.1 upgrade. It was possible to use dialup for normal updates because I could control when any particular update(s) were downloaded. 

OFF TOPIC:
When I upgraded from Windows 8 to 8.1, all my installed applications, remained installed. There were a couple of glitches with the "Classic Shell" menu, but that's not a MS problem.

1. Will an upgrade from Windows 7, Windows 8, or Windows 8.1 go as smoothly, or will we be reinstalling our applications?

2. Will an application that runs on Windows 7, 8, or 8.1 still run on windows 10? (eg: Word 97, Quicken 2003)

[Digerati]

That might solve his problem, but imagine a shut-in, who can't conveniently go to another location, or someone in a rural area without broadband (or maybe "the library" is 20 miles away).

Someone is always going to get the wrong end of the stick. By far, the fewest number of people affected will be those on dial-up with no access to broadband. I just don't see how that can be avoided. If not that small demographic of users, it will be another.

Upgrading from Windows 7/8.1 to Windows 10 is a huge ordeal. It is nothing like upgrading a driver, or malware definitions or the latest version of CCleaner. Upgrading the Windows OS is HUGE.

So how do you push out such a HUGE upgrade like that smoothly and efficiently, in the most convenient manner to the most people, while keeping costs to a minimum?

Press and mail out 600 million+ DVDs to all registered owners? That would be a huge expense and no doubt millions and millions would be missed, and very vocal about it too.  And have you noticed that more and more computers, All-in-Ones and notebooks are being sold without DVDs these days? Even many cases for self-builders like this one don't have front panel access for a DVD. That would force those users to beg, borrow, steal or buy a USB external DVD player.

If they set a date and said, "come and get it!", NO DOUBT the global infrastructure would come to a crawl and most likely with significant Internal outages too on such a scale that, IMO, could affect the security of nations, global finance, medical/insurance, power grids/utilities and more.

So I see no other way to do this efficiently, and cost effectively with minimal impact on the Internet infrastructure than in small batches over an extended period of time through Windows Update.

Do you? Can you come up with a better method where no one is inconvenienced?

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And FTR, I am all for MS "pushing" this out and forcing the upgrade on everyone. W10 (besides being free) is more secure and I applaud MS's commitment to security over everything else. They refuse to get blamed again (and I don't blame them) for a lack of security when it was the badguys who put us here, lack of funding for law enforcement that allows the badguys to thrive, and the lack of action by the anti-malware industry, ISPs and telecommunications companies to stop malware at the source - since they have no financial incentive to do so. :mad:

[Aaron Hulett]

Is this thread about the update from Windows 7 or 8.1 to Windows 10, or updates to Windows 10 after being upgraded?

[Pete!]

Digerati: You may have misunderstood my comment.
I was not speaking of the upgrade to Windows 10, obviously that's going to require broadband or removable media.

I was talking about the routine updates and patches.
In that case the "better method" would be to simply continue the way it's done in Windows 8.X.
Forcing patches on dialup users, will make it highly likely that many of the downloads never complete.

Aaron: It seems to be about both. Perhaps the topic should have been split, when the emphasis shifted.

[Digerati]

Digerati: You may have misunderstood my comment.
I was not speaking of the upgrade to Windows 10, obviously that's going to require broadband or removable media.

I was talking about the routine updates and patches.
In that case the "better method" would be to simply continue the way it's done in Windows 8.X.
Forcing patches on dialup users, will make it highly likely that many of the downloads never complete.

This thread is about the upgrade to Windows 10.

And as mentioned, what appears to be happening is W10 bits and prerequisites are already being pushed out via WU to make the transition smoother and more efficient - even for dial-up users.

[MikeW]

According to the initial post its about automatic updates of the OS

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[darksurfer]

According to Martin Brinkmann over at Ghacks, there is now a confirmation that Windows 10 will be forceably updated by Microsoft, including the Pro editions.

http://www.ghacks.net/2015/07/17/confirmed-windows-10-home-users-to-receive-forced-updates/?_m=3n.0039.239.os0ao065y0.8sz

I will wait a long while before taking on this Windows 10 and will stick with Windows 7, perhaps others will also.  :blink:

The idea of being forced to accept updates at a time when one may or may not need them seems autocratic and Big Brother like. :smash:

It even says it in their long agreement:

he Software periodically checks for system and app updates, and downloads and installs them for you.

You may obtain updates only from Microsoft or authorized sources, and Microsoft may need to update your system to provide you with those updates.

By accepting this agreement, you agree to receive these types of automatic updates without any additional notice.

How nice. Judging by the immediate reactions over at Ghacks, this not sitting well with a growing number of folk.  :sos: :evil: :angry: :shocked: